[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - page 43.

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Less hops. More wins.

Quote from: cvdesty on January 28, 2019, 01:05:33 PM

Quote from: gembitz on January 28, 2019, 08:58:35 AM

fake satoshi and company goal is to destroy the real bitcoin ...get over it! :\ ===> these crooks need jail time imho weee

I believe he believes what he is doing is right but what he has done has caused great harm to the crypto market in general. I don't think he cares that most of us have lost money. He comes across as selfish, mean-spirited, and narcissistic in my opinion.

And what exactly do you think he has done lol?

Craig has systematically been working to save BitCoin since day 1.

Jihan WU gas-lighted him and then stabbed him in the back in order to cause first btc/bch split and again his moron devs et al split bch/bsv now. Yet in spite of this Craig is fighting for the innovation known as bitcoin to have a chance in this world.

it seemed very mean-spirited and selfish in my opinion but maybe you believe you are doing right IDK.. But why do people who like to say things about Craig only have emotional items to complain about? Meanwhile actual bad actions like chain splits have been caused by JiHam and Ver and they get a pass because they say please and thank you once in a while in public? I think your standard is way off for real life money. Money and wealth is not based upon pretty please it is based upon real things not emotional reactions. BTC and BCH are now in the hands of bad actors and all anyone can say about Craig is that he hurts your feelings? BSV PLS

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Quote from: gembitz on January 28, 2019, 08:58:35 AM

fake satoshi and company goal is to destroy the real bitcoin ...get over it! :\ ===> these crooks need jail time imho weee

I believe he believes what he is doing is right but what he has done has caused great harm to the crypto market in general. I don't think he cares that most of us have lost money. He comes across as selfish, mean-spirited, and narcissistic in my opinion.

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Hurray, BTC has 21K unconfirmed transactions again! Thats soo usefull when you wan't to transact !!!!
STUPID 1megabyte supporters!!!

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One of good news recent days is Bitcoin Cash and DASH might make a partnership in the future (as Roger Ver disclosed).
The news mentioned in the ANN topic of DASH project.

Quote from: solowhizkid on January 24, 2019, 05:17:18 AM

#dash_force

Bitcoin Cash [BCH] and Dash can work towards bringing economic freedom to the world, says Roger Ver

https://ambcrypto.com/bitcoin-cash-bch-and-dash-can-work-towards-bringing-economic-freedom-to-the-world-says-roger-ver/

proof roger does not understand cash vs. money lol. I guess he needs to go back to where he learned about economics to study more Wink

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Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:53:50 PM

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

... ant Ctor, and DSV,

tru dat

You guys are missing the point. The general public, which your fork of a fork is trying to appeal to, don't care about what was in the original white paper. It's a talking point aimed at crypto enthusiasts who might be on the fence, and are easily manipulated. The average world citizen doesn't care about your interpretation of the white paper, they just want a product that works and is usable.

Technologies advance, adopt, evolve. Hence, SegWit and LN. Bitcoin Cash has big blocks yet far less transactions per day than BTC, and SV has even bigger blocks and even fewer transactions. You can continue to think, "yeah, well, that will change in the future." But I just don't see that happening. More likely BTC will just continue to evolve to meet user demand and its knockoffs will continue to flounder.

the Bitcoin whitepaper proposes a specific economicmic model that does not parallel with the lightning network as you can see if you read the first page of the whitepaper. The lightning network is literally, an off chain solution that has nothing to do with hash power. Hash power is what backs the bitcoin economy, lightning network takes that away by proposing ‘2nd layer’ (a dummy name for third party) solutions.

We are talking about two completely different experiments here.

So for some, what ‘constitutes’ bitcoin is a document, not a ticker symbol ruled by the likes of a third party exchange.

fake satoshi and company goal is to destroy the real bitcoin ...get over it! :\ ===> these crooks need jail time imho weee

Gemmybitzzzzzzzz, giving him free rent is not a crime. Wink

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Bcash currently has 31% of the number of total active addresses as EOS... weeee

https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/new-analysis-shows-bitcoin-still-dominates-the-cryptocurrency-market-in-terms-of-overall-activity/

BTC has 30x more... weeeeeeeeeee Wink

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*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*

Quote from: sirsplashalot on January 28, 2019, 06:05:41 AM

Quote from: nutildah on January 28, 2019, 04:45:13 AM

Quote from: jbreher on January 28, 2019, 03:34:27 AM

Quote from: hv_ on January 28, 2019, 03:20:39 AM

Quote from: jbreher on January 28, 2019, 03:04:03 AM

Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:53:50 PM

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

... ant Ctor, and DSV,

tru dat

You guys are missing the point. The general public, which your fork of a fork is trying to appeal to, don't care about what was in the original white paper. It's a talking point aimed at crypto enthusiasts who might be on the fence, and are easily manipulated. The average world citizen doesn't care about your interpretation of the white paper, they just want a product that works and is usable.

Technologies advance, adopt, evolve. Hence, SegWit and LN. Bitcoin Cash has big blocks yet far less transactions per day than BTC, and SV has even bigger blocks and even fewer transactions. You can continue to think, "yeah, well, that will change in the future." But I just don't see that happening. More likely BTC will just continue to evolve to meet user demand and its knockoffs will continue to flounder.

the Bitcoin whitepaper proposes a specific economicmic model that does not parallel with the lightning network as you can see if you read the first page of the whitepaper. The lightning network is literally, an off chain solution that has nothing to do with hash power. Hash power is what backs the bitcoin economy, lightning network takes that away by proposing ‘2nd layer’ (a dummy name for third party) solutions.

We are talking about two completely different experiments here.

So for some, what ‘constitutes’ bitcoin is a document, not a ticker symbol ruled by the likes of a third party exchange.

fake satoshi and company goal is to destroy the real bitcoin ...get over it! :\ ===> these crooks need jail time imho weee

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Quote from: sirsplashalot on January 28, 2019, 06:05:41 AM

the Bitcoin whitepaper proposes a specific economicmic model that does not parallel with the lightning network as you can see if you read the first page of the whitepaper. The lightning network is literally, an off chain solution that has nothing to do with hash power. Hash power is what backs the bitcoin economy, lightning network takes that away by proposing ‘2nd layer’ (a dummy name for third party) solutions.

We are talking about two completely different experiments here.

Lightning Network isn't a "3rd party"; its an independent network of people who voluntarily agree to participate in it, for very little (if any) compensation. Yes, its an off-chain solution, and if it helps make bitcoin more usable then so be it. Nobody cares about rules you are arbitrarily imposing on the Bitcoin Network.

Quote from: sirsplashalot on January 28, 2019, 06:05:41 AM

So for some, what ‘constitutes’ bitcoin is a document, not a ticker symbol ruled by the likes of a third party exchange.

Yes, and they are all already invested in BCH and SV.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 28, 2019, 04:45:13 AM

Quote from: jbreher on January 28, 2019, 03:34:27 AM

Quote from: hv_ on January 28, 2019, 03:20:39 AM

Quote from: jbreher on January 28, 2019, 03:04:03 AM

Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:53:50 PM

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

... ant Ctor, and DSV,

tru dat

You guys are missing the point. The general public, which your fork of a fork is trying to appeal to, don't care about what was in the original white paper. It's a talking point aimed at crypto enthusiasts who might be on the fence, and are easily manipulated. The average world citizen doesn't care about your interpretation of the white paper, they just want a product that works and is usable.

Technologies advance, adopt, evolve. Hence, SegWit and LN. Bitcoin Cash has big blocks yet far less transactions per day than BTC, and SV has even bigger blocks and even fewer transactions. You can continue to think, "yeah, well, that will change in the future." But I just don't see that happening. More likely BTC will just continue to evolve to meet user demand and its knockoffs will continue to flounder.

the Bitcoin whitepaper proposes a specific economicmic model that does not parallel with the lightning network as you can see if you read the first page of the whitepaper. The lightning network is literally, an off chain solution that has nothing to do with hash power. Hash power is what backs the bitcoin economy, lightning network takes that away by proposing ‘2nd layer’ (a dummy name for third party) solutions.

We are talking about two completely different experiments here.

So for some, what ‘constitutes’ bitcoin is a document, not a ticker symbol ruled by the likes of a third party exchange.

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Quote from: jbreher on January 28, 2019, 03:34:27 AM

Quote from: hv_ on January 28, 2019, 03:20:39 AM

Quote from: jbreher on January 28, 2019, 03:04:03 AM

Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:53:50 PM

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

... ant Ctor, and DSV,

tru dat

You guys are missing the point. The general public, which your fork of a fork is trying to appeal to, don't care about what was in the original white paper. It's a talking point aimed at crypto enthusiasts who might be on the fence, and are easily manipulated. The average world citizen doesn't care about your interpretation of the white paper, they just want a product that works and is usable.

Technologies advance, adopt, evolve. Hence, SegWit and LN. Bitcoin Cash has big blocks yet far less transactions per day than BTC, and SV has even bigger blocks and even fewer transactions. You can continue to think, "yeah, well, that will change in the future." But I just don't see that happening. More likely BTC will just continue to evolve to meet user demand and its knockoffs will continue to flounder.

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Quote from: hv_ on January 28, 2019, 03:20:39 AM

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Quote from: Bitbobb on January 27, 2019, 10:44:07 AM

the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

If for no other reason, because the experiment as satoshi originally envisioned it is worth carrying to logical conclusion.

Look at it from this angle for a moment: Satoshi's original invention, aligning the best interests of the individual with the best interests of the system as a whole, unleashed this entire ecosystem. In the design of Bitcoin, he/she/they accomplished what all of humanity had previously been unable to do.

I really don't have a strong aversion to carrying out multiple parallel experiments (that may be an egregious simplification, but the difference is nuanced and inappropriate for the scope of this reply). But should we not carry out the experiment as set forth in the design that led to this entire 'Cambrian Explosion' (there's an overused term) of innovation?

From my perspective, abandoning the experiment as envisioned by its progenitor is pure folly.

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

... ant Ctor, and DSV,

tru dat

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Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:49:14 AM

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Quote from: broadhurst on January 26, 2019, 06:45:54 PM

Quote from: Bitbobb on January 26, 2019, 04:30:46 PM

https://live.keyport.tv/

Will Bitmain continue propping up Bcash? Do the small fry bag holders regret not selling before the fork ? Are Bcash and SVcash cancelling each other out and having a race to the bottom? Is Satoshi shaking his head and saying to himself "these guys are obsessed with my white paper, they need medical help"

These are the questions that must be asked.

the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

The general public should not, exactly as we do not care about smtp - but this is because it does not change and is on topic / purpose -

A protocol MUST be stable and simple (= scalable) and clear to be 'ignored by public'
-> Industry / cyber risk whatch dogs take care . There you 'll get the mass adoption - ONLY that way.

The white paper is the guide for the paper dogs do check if the protocol is doing what it should.

The tech impl must be to spec - or rekt

Bitcoin has two layers: Econimics AND tech - if u fiddle with the tech and do not understand the dependencies up-hill -> you ll risk the entire eco system (and create an ALT coin like SegwitCoin). But do not sell that as Bitcoin.

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Quote from: jbreher on January 28, 2019, 03:04:03 AM

Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:53:50 PM

Quote from: jbreher on January 27, 2019, 03:51:52 PM

Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:49:14 AM

Quote from: Bitbobb on January 27, 2019, 10:44:07 AM

the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

If for no other reason, because the experiment as satoshi originally envisioned it is worth carrying to logical conclusion.

Look at it from this angle for a moment: Satoshi's original invention, aligning the best interests of the individual with the best interests of the system as a whole, unleashed this entire ecosystem. In the design of Bitcoin, he/she/they accomplished what all of humanity had previously been unable to do.

I really don't have a strong aversion to carrying out multiple parallel experiments (that may be an egregious simplification, but the difference is nuanced and inappropriate for the scope of this reply). But should we not carry out the experiment as set forth in the design that led to this entire 'Cambrian Explosion' (there's an overused term) of innovation?

From my perspective, abandoning the experiment as envisioned by its progenitor is pure folly.

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

... ant Ctor, and DSV, ... whatever hole ABC loves to add to protocol / allow / change original econimicsto stifle the on-chain scaling ...

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Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:53:50 PM

Quote from: jbreher on January 27, 2019, 03:51:52 PM

Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:49:14 AM

Quote from: Bitbobb on January 27, 2019, 10:44:07 AM

the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

If for no other reason, because the experiment as satoshi originally envisioned it is worth carrying to logical conclusion.

Look at it from this angle for a moment: Satoshi's original invention, aligning the best interests of the individual with the best interests of the system as a whole, unleashed this entire ecosystem. In the design of Bitcoin, he/she/they accomplished what all of humanity had previously been unable to do.

I really don't have a strong aversion to carrying out multiple parallel experiments (that may be an egregious simplification, but the difference is nuanced and inappropriate for the scope of this reply). But should we not carry out the experiment as set forth in the design that led to this entire 'Cambrian Explosion' (there's an overused term) of innovation?

From my perspective, abandoning the experiment as envisioned by its progenitor is pure folly.

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

No. Satoshi's Bitcoin did not include the abomination we call SegWit.

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Quote from: jbreher on January 27, 2019, 03:51:52 PM

Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:49:14 AM

Quote from: Bitbobb on January 27, 2019, 10:44:07 AM

the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

If for no other reason, because the experiment as satoshi originally envisioned it is worth carrying to logical conclusion.

Look at it from this angle for a moment: Satoshi's original invention, aligning the best interests of the individual with the best interests of the system as a whole, unleashed this entire ecosystem. In the design of Bitcoin, he/she/they accomplished what all of humanity had previously been unable to do.

I really don't have a strong aversion to carrying out multiple parallel experiments (that may be an egregious simplification, but the difference is nuanced and inappropriate for the scope of this reply). But should we not carry out the experiment as set forth in the design that led to this entire 'Cambrian Explosion' (there's an overused term) of innovation?

From my perspective, abandoning the experiment as envisioned by its progenitor is pure folly.

Its quickly abandoning itself. We already have a bitcoin, its called bitcoin, and its doing just fine.

I'm just saying the general public - the market that both BCH and SV are trying to penetrate - don't care about what the whitepaper says. They in large don't even want bitcoin at all. However, BTC has always led the pack and all altcoins have been largely dependent on its success -- this dynamic is unlikely to change in the near future (2-5 years).

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Less hops. More wins.

the USA is still an experiment much like the wheel.

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Free spirit

But these projects are entrusted with peoples funds. Not just for trying something out.

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Quote from: nutildah on January 27, 2019, 10:49:14 AM

Quote from: Bitbobb on January 27, 2019, 10:44:07 AM

the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

If for no other reason, because the experiment as satoshi originally envisioned it is worth carrying to logical conclusion.

Look at it from this angle for a moment: Satoshi's original invention, aligning the best interests of the individual with the best interests of the system as a whole, unleashed this entire ecosystem. In the design of Bitcoin, he/she/they accomplished what all of humanity had previously been unable to do.

I really don't have a strong aversion to carrying out multiple parallel experiments (that may be an egregious simplification, but the difference is nuanced and inappropriate for the scope of this reply). But should we not carry out the experiment as set forth in the design that led to this entire 'Cambrian Explosion' (there's an overused term) of innovation?

From my perspective, abandoning the experiment as envisioned by its progenitor is pure folly.

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Quote from: Bitbobb on January 27, 2019, 10:44:07 AM

Quote from: broadhurst on January 26, 2019, 06:45:54 PM

Quote from: Bitbobb on January 26, 2019, 04:30:46 PM

https://live.keyport.tv/

Will Bitmain continue propping up Bcash? Do the small fry bag holders regret not selling before the fork ? Are Bcash and SVcash cancelling each other out and having a race to the bottom? Is Satoshi shaking his head and saying to himself "these guys are obsessed with my white paper, they need medical help"

These are the questions that must be asked.

the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

Why do you think the general public cares about what's in the whitepaper? I'm genuinely curious. Seems like its just a talking point without substance or relevance.

Bitbobb

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Less hops. More wins.

Quote from: broadhurst on January 26, 2019, 06:45:54 PM

Quote from: Bitbobb on January 26, 2019, 04:30:46 PM

https://live.keyport.tv/

Will Bitmain continue propping up Bcash? Do the small fry bag holders regret not selling before the fork ? Are Bcash and SVcash cancelling each other out and having a race to the bottom? Is Satoshi shaking his head and saying to himself "these guys are obsessed with my white paper, they need medical help"

These are the questions that must be asked.

the only group following the whitepaper is the BSV coin

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Quote from: Bitbobb on January 26, 2019, 09:39:33 AM

Quote from: alevlaslo on January 26, 2019, 09:24:06 AM

Toomim’s analysis further explains that if each transaction was around 400 bytes and the block was 500MB, it could be encoded into 1.9MB of data or a “99.618% reduction in size.” Interestingly, the Bitcoin Core (BTC) and Bitcoin Satoshi’s Vision (BSV) networks cannot utilize the Xthinner concept. Toomim explained that both protocols would need to upgrade in order to reap the protocol’s compression benefits. “BTC also lacks CTOR/LTOR, which means [it] won’t work as well and would require substantial modifications to work at all,” Toomim remarked on the forum. The BSV network does not have lexicographic transaction ordering capabilities either, making Xthinner unobtainable to BSV developers. https://news.bitcoin.com/bch-developer-unveils-xthinner-scaling-protocol-claims-to-compress-blocks-by-99/

um good lol.

devs lol.

they act like CTOR is an upgrade. it isn't. And it is only part of a bigger plan to f*** BCH in the same way BTC got f***'d. Highly interconnected mesh? sorry that is not BitCoin.

BSV is removing the stuff these idiot devs added in what amounts to crimes against humanity. So glad all you ponzi idiots and dev worshipers are gone to some altcoin.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wall-observer-btcusd-bitcoin-price-movement-tracking-discussion-178336

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