Topic: [ANN] bitcoin mixer bitsafe.pro - minimalistic design and lowest fee on market! (Read 1320 times)

This service isn't working anymore, which is weird since they just came back after more than 4 months offline to ask for $10 to do a review of a different mixer, and immediately left again. I guess they were just a bunch of scammers since the beginning, and since they didn't get a single victim, they just closed their website.

We are happy to inform , that we added no java version of mixer to onion link:

http://u44owaemhwuttvwv.onion

mixer automatically detect when java off and provide you no java version with maximum anonimity!

Now we working on improvements!

We are happy, that you guys weren't found the root wallet =) so now we have to add some improvements and increase bankroll , then we will start new testing challenge!

My offer expired yesterday. Nobody was able to find back my mixed coins, even after some hints. They were sent here!

This is my letter of guarantee (click to verify):

I just realized that I'm using total output, and not the value of a specific output. That's probably why, as the mixing transaction would likely have change.

I can't find it in there.

This is something that can be improved indeed. Fees don't necessarily have to be totally random, but transactions can be further obfuscated by copying fees rates from other transactions/services.

That sounds like me

Good, because I just realized I was using the wrong dataset.  
I was searching for outputs of 0.0018 to 0.00195BTC, but you deposited  0.00202082BTC, which would be ~0.002BTC after fees.

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Edit:

I still can't find it, so I'll give up. This was the dataset that I used. It contains all the transactions greater than 0.00195BTC total output but less than 0.02028BTC, between the time LoyceV sent his transaction, and around 30 hours later. I noticed that bitsafe.pro used almost exact values in fee/kByte, so I searched for transactions with a total fee/kbyte of a value very close or equal to 2000, 4000, and 6000. (respectively a 0.00001BTC, 0.00002BTC, 0.00003BTC fee on the mixer site). Either my dataset is still flawed, or LoyceV picked a higher fee (but 1 sat/byte would have been able to confirm, so I doubt it), or bitsafe.pro used a fee that wasn't as close to those values. Looking forward to finding out which one it is!

All wrong
Maybe I should limit this to one try per person^*, if you just give me a list of possibilities for me to pick from, you don't know my address, which means the mixing worked.

I haven't spent the coins yet (because I may have to give them to someone here).

^*Update: I won't limit it, feel free to keep trying

Here's a few more guesses: (also, have you spent the coins yet?)

1DvHWbue1ZGPUZaiMpMHBVaevPK4pc2ce8 (spent)
1HXhaXJu4dHNxahm4PbYe77AFCU4ofCeUe (spent)
1M9QXAfxDjp3iHFNsMy44nfMrC8tCzipb9 (spent)

Also not mine
I'll post my Letter of Guarantee after a week, or when someone finds my address.

That's my address  

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My best guess is the address 1BSNnBo9dQvjWgu1NqhfYWdmRM2fv73oxy, with this being your mixing transaction. Only reasonable possibility I see.

No.

Did you sent them to a P2SH adress? I've found a trail but it seems that this one would a bit too obvious to actually be your receiving adress (+ the fact that the fees are actually a tad bit high on the transaction itself...).

https://blockchain.info/address/36mQBHnqaoN9h1vcDfuEhx3xa1hxS1k1ZG

Thank you guys for your feedbacks. NoJS version will be ready soon. Also we will work on other improvements.

To start, stop requiring JavaScript to be enabled. NoScript is bundled by default with Tor, and privacy/security conscious users generally disable it as it prevents malicious scripts from being run. A slider is nice, but perhaps add a dropdown/text field if you detect that JS is enabled. No mixer should require JS. I cannot change any of the default settings without JS, which is bad.

I wanted to use Tor for mixing, so I went with the default settings (0.00007 BTC fee, and no delay). I think every other tester used a delay, so I figured I would try no delay (plus, Tor users or users with NoScript would have to this anyway right now)

To no surprise, the auto updating page didn't work. I would remove the spinny circle thingy (no clue what it's called) if the user has JS disabled, as it is confusing, given that the page cannot update. To my surprise, even with a refresh, the page does not update with NoScript. It works on my normal browser (Firefox 61.0b5, no script blocking), but never loads on Tor Browser. (7.5.4 (based on Mozilla Firefox 52.8.0)) You should probably fix that, so that Tor users have a better experience. Enabling scripts seems to fix it though. This is due to you making POST requests via JS to index.php, and I think it would be better to just have it be displayed on the page (perhaps dynamic page generation), or use a PHP iframe or something.

A fee of 7k satoshis causes your mixer to pay a fee of exactly 14k satoshis/kByte. This seems to be consistent with my previous mixing transaction, where a 1k sat fee causes your mixer to pay 2k sat/kByte. Instead of


Something like this would be better:


Instant forwarding worked well, I got my BTC a few seconds after the first confirmation on the deposit transaction. I would suggest that you either go through all your text and fix it so that it's in better English, or hire someone to do so. Poor english looks unprofessional.

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How long is it before deposit logs are deleted? My previous mix's info still has the data shown.

Some thoughts (I may be a bit harsh, sugar coating isn't helping you to improve things):
1. The FAQ says the deposit address is valid 24h. What happens if I deposit, and before it confirms the Bitcoin network gets congested, resulting in my transaction still being unconfirmed after 24 hours?

2. You say you don't store logs, and "All logs are deleting". If you don't store them, you can't delete them. If you do store logs, chances are they can be recovered after deletion. Which one is it?

3. To look more professional, start all sentences with a capital character. For example: "we provaide a digitally signed confirmation" should start with "We". There are more language thingies that can be improved (and this is coming from a non-native English speaker), you may consider asking someone to proofread everything.

4. Is the delay set at exact hours, or do you add some random minutes (0-60) to make it less likely to identify transactions?
I can answer this question for myself now: it's quite accurately 1 hour. I suggest to randomly add 0-3600 seconds.

5. Your Letter of Guarantee has a "random" Bitcoin address. Why don't you use a vanity address for this? I have a giveaway for safe vanity addresses, but yours will be too long to create for free. An address starting with 1Bitsafe or 1BitSafe would be possible, starting with lower case 1bitsafe would take much more computing power.

6. Your Onion address looks random too, it would be better to search for an address that starts with your name.

I've tested some other things, like importing the Transaction ID into the Tor site, and that worked fine. The site is quite simple, so there really isn't much more to test

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Now back to my challenge: I've deposited this transaction, used the default Service fee (I'm not telling you how much exactly), set a delay anywhere from 0 to 23 hours (I'm not telling you my choice), and I lowered the fee because fees are low.

The first person to post my receiving address (OP excluded ), receives the funds. This offer expires in a week.
Note: at the time I post this, my deposit is still unconfirmed and the return transaction hasn't been sent yet. It does say "BTC received. Awaiting 1 confirmation".

Great idea about challenge! It will be very interesting =)

P.S. money sent trough mixer, soon will be with you =) and we are waiting for your test and feedback!

Can I join the line of testers? My addy for this: 1EHn8kLwjSShHQi6DBZzk4Fvc2ygV7Bw6i

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After testing, I'd like to challenge anybody to find back the mixed coins. I'll send them to the first person who posts their new address (this offer lasts 1 week, I don't want to reserve coins forever).

Thank you DarkStar_ your feed are very useful for us. Maybe you have an idea how to explain more lucidly this moment in FAQ, we will be very happy.


P.S. money to your wallet already sent , check you wallet and we waiting for your test =)

Sure. 3NSvhvYYBMVh1bPyKWjPfyiF3RHAAgsgtw

I think you still need more clarification, as simply stating that it affects confirmation time doesn't really help. What exactly does the fee value represent? Obviously it can't be a fixed fee as you might send with more or less inputs.

Dear friend, could you please check our mixer for delay and for txfee function ?  We also added Txfee description to our FAQ, if you ready to help , please leave your wallet!

I would stop sending ElenaBlanca coins, and get some reviews from more established members instead of a Newbie who seems to just want free coins and doesn't bother writing a indepth review.

1H2Dn2yk4j2Ljz79DXMa2dDeYx878v5VQE

Please leave your wallet here!

i would like to test it again with delay and minimum TXfee.

Dear friend we are sorry about this moment, its our mistake with coding , but now all fixed and we are still working in test mode , so please who want to do more tests we are happy to cooperate!

Thank you for taking care of it.

After utilizing your service and feedback, while I appreciate the minimalistic design and ease of use of your site, I honestly would not feel safe mixing larger amounts than what I have sent for this test.

The site seems as if it's still in its infancy, and when you're offering services for people's money, you have to remember that "the devil is in the details". Unfortunately, there are many minor discrepancies with your site that has left me feeling like it is not as professional or trustworthy as other mixers that I use.

In a nutshell, you should hire the services of a security expert and a compliancy officer to go through your site and FAQ to fine-tune it, especially if you would like to become a contender in this saturated market.

You also need to remove your claim of having the lowest fee on the market; as others have pointed out, there are services that offer mixes for lower fees, and the one I use (and advertise) does not charge a fee at all.

Thanks for letting me be a part of this testing period, but if I may be honest, I will not be using the service again considering that the 4-hour delay that I designated turned into 13 hours and the fee that was used in the redistribution was 0.00000744 BTC, not the 0.00001 BTC that was indicated in my order: https://blockchain.info/tx/ab152e63810f0a0b5ffed42ee26249bd14d9b54d7b5cda9f28f120e49759ac62

Your funds sent. Sorry it was a little logic error in script, caused last updates.
here it is:

https://blockchain.info/tx/ab152e63810f0a0b5ffed42ee26249bd14d9b54d7b5cda9f28f120e49759ac62

I will test a transaction now. You should have messaged me after sending the payment or at least indicated that it had been sent in this thread; I didn't even notice the payment until reading this message. I'm assuming that this transaction of 0.0020834BTC was the payment that you sent to me?

https://blockchain.info/tx/5213b7d32f9ae2c4fe47c4b512db0a48a9ce6872e26c01fa6f5332101c89a906

I don't know how much of that you want me to test; or if any of that is supposed to be a reward... Given that your minimum mix is 0.002BTC, there doesn't seem to be any incentive or reward for me using this service? I might as well mix my own preferred amount instead...

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EDIT:

I just submitted an order to mix 0.005BTC with a service fee of 0.3%, delay of 4 hours, and tx fee of 0.00001BTC.

Here's some initial feedback while I wait to receive my tumbled coins back:

• The "?" button next to the "Delay" does nothing. I want to know when the delay starts; after confirmation of my transaction or after I submit my order?
• I have no idea what "Txfee x.xxxxxx BTC for receive address" means. Does this mean that the receiving address receives a payment of this fee? The "for" is the tricky word in this statement.
• On the payment screen, it shows "Your personal fee is 0.3% + 0.00001 BTC for every forward address". This is a little confusing, as I have no idea what my personal fee is/was when submitting my order. You should change this verbiage to match the verbiage of the order page, as follows: "You have chosen to pay a service fee of 0.3% and a transaction fee of 0.00001 BTC (for each receiving address)".
• The "?" next to the Client Code (on the confirmation page) does nothing. What is the client code?
• The Letter of Guarantee states the following: "This service will only be available for all coins sent between 12.05.2018 00:29:22 UTC and 13.05.2018 00:29:22 UTC with a minimum incoming amount of 0.002 BTC and a maximum amount of 0.22757536 BTC." Does this mean that if I send subsequent deposits until 24 hours from now, that they will all be returned to my receiving address that I indicated? Will they be returned in 4 hour intervals, or in bulk? This could be better specified...
• My transaction has confirmed, but the "Transaction txid(s):" section is still blank, even after refresh. Is this where the transaction for my returned bitcoin will be displayed?

I'll provide more feedback once this order is fulfilled in 4 hours.

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It has now been more than 4 hours and I do not see a transaction with my tumbled coins. I will continue waiting...

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EDIT:

We are now nearing 12 hours since I have placed this order. What is troublesome to me is that you don't seem to have any balance in your reserve anymore, as is indicated by the max deposit amount availability as 0.



I'll await an update from you, but it looks as if there are things you need to work out with this service.

Thank you very much friend for your feedback , you really help us to improve service, we will fix all this things !

We sent money to you but , still didn't test , and no feedback, regarding your wallet funds was spent from there !

I mixed some coins from a different wallet of mine, instead of using the provided coins. I mixed around 0.007BTC, with a 1 hour delay and a low fee. Currently waiting for confirmations, will update when I receive my coins.

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I liked how the page updated as the mixing process progressed, however I think you should add a message for when the transaction is sent, and include the txid. The page seems to stop at Total BTC received and confirmed: 0.007???. This amount will be forwarded shortly. I think it would be beneficial to add a message stating it's been forwarded.

Please clarify specifically on the transaction fee. Does a fee of 0.00001BTC mean that you'll pay 2sat/byte? (that's what my transaction was sent with anyway). The delay seems to be accurate, but it starts counting before the transaction confirmed (unless it's randomized). What happens if the transaction does not confirm before then? Other than that, it was a smooth and clear mixing process. Nice job.

received coins from bitsafe.pro , then mixed with 0.3% fee , after 1st confirmation i received funds to clean address , will use this service , thank you for coins!

Here's my address: 31xzEM3kxNCU1fq3nQxEXT75PcN1vK5a3v

I will test a transaction from and to a nested P2SH SegWit address using a delay and a low fee.

Thanks. I received the coins and did a quick test.

I started the mixing proccess, sent the coins and received the amount indicated in the calculator after 1 confirmation (27 seconds to get included in the next block and a few seconds to get detected by the mixer, which immediately sent the coins).  There is not much to be said about the design of the website - which is very simple but functional -  TLDR: It was pretty quick.

A few suggestions:

1. Add a "Status" page where the user can input his mixing transaction id and see the details of his tx (the letter of guarantee, if the coins arrived, etc);
2. Also add the transaction id in the Letter of Guarantee.
3. Change the "Timeout" option name to something like "Delay". I'm pretty sure someone will be confused about what this option does. You could also add a quick explanation at the FAQ or put a hover button like you do with the "Client code";
4. Use Segwit addresses (less fees). This can also be used to increase privacy (i.e generate segwit addresses for 60% of the cases, and legacy for the remaining 40% - I guess this is possible, but I'm not sure).

BTC was sent to:
TryNinja
ElenaBlanca
DarkStar_

Waiting for your feedbacks  

1NinjabXd5znM5zgTcmxDVzH4w3nbaY16L

Here is my wallet 17x7QgGR77XWkfy22Zv5weAD6NRDK75Sfg

3NSvhvYYBMVh1bPyKWjPfyiF3RHAAgsgtw

What would happen if someone picked a fee that was too low, and the transaction doesn't confirm in a reasonable amount of time? Do you send RBF transactions, or are willing to double spend the transaction for them?

Dear friends we added new feature , now you can choose any output fee as you like,try it!  . Please leave here BTC wallets, who want to test it.

Yes please leave your btc address here !

ChipMixer doesn't need testers anymore, as they're one of the most reputable mixers on the market at the moment. 9/10 of my tumbles are done using ChipMixer, simply because they've proven to be trustworthy, and you can't beat their fees

Ok then, im ready to test your mixer should i leave my btc address at this topic ?

They run on donations, as a "Pay what you want" service.

Now the roster is:

1.TryNinja

2.ElenaBlanca

3.BTCforJoe

4.DarkStar_


Thank you DarkStar_ for your help! We will test chipmixer soon , but didn't got you , u send there 0.002 and get 0.002 ? Where is  their profit ? =) anyway we will check them!

ChipMixer will give you 0.002BTC exactly.


The mempool currently has 0.94 MB worth of transactions that pay a fee of 6 sat/byte, or greater. Assuming a 2 input, 2 output compressed address transaction, that's 374 bytes, meaning you'd need a fee of 0.00002244BTC to have a near 100% chance of getting into the next block (not 100% due to SPV pools). You can overpay the fee around 7 times, but you're not going to have a faster confirmation than bestmixer.



ChipMixer will give you 0.04BTC 


I'll help test though if you'd like.

Dear friend, thank you very much for your feed . Yes you 100 % right, amounts less then 0.04 cheaper at bestmixer.io, but we also take 0.00015 for fast output of clean coins (30min-1hour) and confirmed coins with you. In bestmixer.io this fee are lower then 0.00015 , but there also you have to wait more time (2-3hours) confirming output funds. Mixing with us more advantageous starting from 0.04 btc for now, but we found a way how to be comfortable for all people and be most advantageous service on market despite on low or high amount you mix with us.Soon we will add 3rd slider for manual setting of output fee,it will be under delay slider. But for now mixing starting from 0.04 btc is the best price on market!

Dear friends! We also continue to collect people to help with testing our mixing technology. So who want to get free 0.002 btc please post here!

The second time you made me laugh, when they announced the lowest commission.
I tested a few mixers and that's what I found.
You said that if you send 0.002 BCT on another mixer, you will get 0.001484. You probably had in view of privcoin.io, because it is they who get this amount.
But why do not you talk about other services?
On [banned mixer] you will get 0.00149000.
on bestmixer.io by sending 0.002, you will get 0.00191538

I am sure that the fee for each address 0.00015 is very overstated.
At the moment in the network, the average fee for 1000 kb = 0.00030000 / 4 = 0.00007500
Those. you take twice as much as you need.
Therefore, 0.3% and the statement of the lowest commission on the fact of the game of words!

Hello dear friends now the roster is:

1.TryNinja

2.ElenaBlanca

3.BTCforJoe



Who wants to help with mix test and leave your feed here ?

let's count together, not forgetting about the commission of 0.00015 for each transfer, as indicated on the payment page/
0.002/100 = 0.00002
0.002-0.001844 = 0.000156
0.000156 - 0.00015 = 0.000006
0.000006 / 0.00002 = 0.3%

Also you can use calculator on payment page, and it shows you correctly that you will receive 0.001844 from 0.002.

And yes this is the lowest fee on mixer markets. For example another mixer will send you only 0.001484.



Now about bankroll, yes it stored there but, the more users send to us coins,  the more addresses of different coins will be, and bankroll will be divided between them. Also i think we will fill up bankroll from several addresses, so it won't be a problem


We will give you BTC for testing, and you can leave them to yourself after the test. And use calculator, it shows exactly how much you will get.


Also want to say thank you all, for your help in improvement of our service. We look forward to make another safe mixer for community

That's a hell of a fee to pay for tumbling some coins...

OP, I'd be interested in testing your mixer, but not at the rates that @AdolfinWolf has specified, especially considering that the service fee shows a maximum of 4% on your site. How is the transaction fee specified when returning coins?

Already tested it.


I tried mixing my 0.002, i send them to 1AuxV8TGyHE1LD5UpPgtLaf8iyPCtbuzBJ, and received 0.001844 back @ 114CbUvt81K4p29WhqeTtGKbRe6XLY5V4H

As you can see, 0.000156/0.002*100 = 7.8% fee, which is quite hefty to be honest, especially if i were to do lots of small transactions. (Since i obviously wouldn't really trust them with bigger amounts yet)


The entire bankroll of this mixer is stored @ https://blockchain.info/address/12FwpmZyQgi45C2bBX7RYqQTqHaQihMqe1 it seems. Not sure if that makes them any less safer.

Attention !  Thursday 10.05.18 we will start send btc to people who want to help us make mixing test, please leave your posts here, who want to help and leave your wallets at topic! We will choose 10 people whom we can trust our coins for test!

1.TryNinja

Thank you very much , its already fixed!

Count on me for this

I would love to verify if your mixer is legit as I did with multiple other mixers.

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Btw, I'm getting a "NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID" error when I try to visit the site with "www", but can normally do without it. Not sure if that's only happening with me.

Hello dear friends thank you very much for all your feeds, they are help us and we are happy. New FAQ added and redirect from http to https are turned on. Soon we will follow the way of similar services. We will give btc to 10 members with good reputation for testing our mixing technology.

2 AdolfinWolf , so its working ? im waiting for somebody get funds back, because i like this low % , should i try to mix ?

Alright, I've sent some funds, lets see if they actually get "mixed". Anyway, you only enabled forced SSL for the root of your domain.

Your entire mixing operation is still over HTTP by default.  Which means someone could've intercepted and replaced the adress i just send bitcoin to.



Maybe you shouldn't be running a business like this if you have absolutely no eye for security of your clients.

I'll report back when i receive my funds back.

For anyone wondering, https://blockchain.info/address/1AuxV8TGyHE1LD5UpPgtLaf8iyPCtbuzBJ

You forgot to edit/update the first post of the thread:

Add "s" to http - https://bitsafe.pro/

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Looking forward to that...

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You might want to follow the footsteps of other similar services (when they started here) and offer few users a chance to try your service for free and in return, give honest reviews (ex. 1, 2 and 3 - There's more, I only linked three).

Thank you very much BTCforJoe for your help we appreciate this , we will be happy to hear all critics to improve our service , maybe somebody tried to mix , please leave your feedback.

Confirmed.



However, I am getting an error when trying to access the site with "www.". You may want to check that out.

Additionally, you should add a redirect to the standard http:// to automatically forward to https:// whenever someone visits your site. (edit: looks like you've added the redirect; good job)

Dear friends! Thank you very much for your help and your feedback , they all will help us to improve our service, certificate added, feel free to test it and we will be happy for all critics and feedback.

P.S. FAQ will be unique soon!

Yeah, this is a big fat nope...



For anyone reading this, please never ever trust a site that will handle any amount of (crypto)currency without a proper security certificate.

This is the very least that any developer should do to protect its users, and the fact that this site is not secure should be a big fat warning not to trust this site with your bitcoin.

Be cautious.

Why aren't you using HTTPS? How can you not? It literally takes 5 seconds to get the certificates. Not encrypting this could lead to possible MITM attacks etc.

I don't see why anyone would use your service in it's current state over the currently existing mixers. Might be bias, or it might have something to do with how you are neglecting security protocols.

now we are working in test mode , soon our pool will increase, but for testing its enough =) thank you for your feed.

You really can provide security to every client with a pool of 0.22736268 BTC
I guess it's a joke!

for me interesting low fees of this service , but i don't want to take a risk and did 1st deal with them , but i will try to mix lowest amount 0.002 i'll post result soon

You're using a template from another website that offers a similar service (a bad first impression for your website [a common behavior found on scam websites):

FAQ (your website) - Archived (Copy [most parts])
FAQ (CryptoMixer) - Archived (original)

We are happy to introduce new bitcoin mixer - bitsafe.pro

  functionality:
- lowest fee on market 0.3 % but if you want you can set it to 4%
- manual delay settings up to 23 hours
- letter of guarantee helps you be in touch with us, solve any problem and keep your assets secure
- unique code preventing from ever receiving your coins back in the future
- multi address mixing
- minimal design will help mixing just only in 2 clicks
- calculator on board will help you to know exact output amount


  opportunities:
- we need just 1 confirmation for funds output
- minimum order 0.002 btc
- maximum order depends on our bankroll, you can check it during mixing

  links:
  https://www.bitsafe.pro/

  http://u44owaemhwuttvwv.onion/

  contact us:
  [email protected]


  Our mission to provide maximum security for all our clients!


  Any feedback are welcome!