Topic: BitWhisk.io ✦ new Bitcoin mixing service ✦ testers evaluations (Read 1868 times)

Dear legendster, thank you for your review. We would like to clarify a couple of moments.


Why exactly you couldn't customize the delay? Did delay slider refuse to work in your browser?

In principle, any target address can be assigned with delay between 0 and 48 hours. Long time delays are randomly biased by small time intervals up to 10 minutes.


We do not display order information on the order page because of time delays. What if a customer order has a long time delay, should she then leave the browser tab open all the time? Instead we provide different page, where you can check the status of your order at any time. This means that after checking of Letter of Guarantee and sending coins to the generated address customer can close the order page without any doubt. We think this approach is more user friendly.


Could you please elaborate a little more on this? What exactly we can implement and what aspects of UI need to be improved?

Once again, thank you for your criticism.

Best regards,
BitWhisk.io

The guys at Bitwhisk approached me nearly 3 weeks ago to review their website. After a brief conversation with them, I agreed to do a paid but fair and unbiased review
of their mixing service available through their website at Bitwhisk.io
However, due to circumstances, I was not able to come back to the forum for nearly 2 and a half weeks. Which brings me to now, finally, I'll be reviewing Bitwhisk.io from the user's perspective.

Landing Page :
The landing page is very straightforward. I am presented with just one button that starts the mixing process. At this point, I'll have to admit that their page looks pretty bland, and I wasn't impressed with their character mascots or logo or whatever this is :

I do appreciate a clean look, but too clean and some graphics that looks like something from a children's book doesn't feel right, especially considering this is a financial website that deals with Cryptocurrencies.

Mixing Page :
The controls at the mixing page are very rudimentary, but they are effective. Although I've seen some more advanced options being deployed by other services.
I didn't like the fact that I could not customize the delay, it was fixed at either no delay or have a delay of 2 hours.
Also, the minimum service fee that I could apply for my small transaction was 0.5% which isn't unbearable.
The prominently featured calculator makes it very convenient to see how much of money I'll put in versus what I'll get back.
I liked the fact that they sent me a pop-up message, stating that the incoming deposit address that they would generate in the next step would only be valid for 24 hours.

Deposit Page :

Since this was my first time with Bitwhisk, I left the BitWhisk Code box empty in the previous page, I've read that they do allow custom codes, so anyone can enter a code that they want instead of the one that Bitwhish generates on this deposit page. According to Bitwhisk, it is important to save this code as it would ensure that never again in the future when you use their service, would your old coins be mixed with the new ones that you deposit for mixing.

I was easily able to save and then later verify the Letter of Guarantee that is provided on this page. However, do note that Bitwhisk advises against using third party verifiers to verify the Letter of Guarantee. And I agree with their reasoning behind it.

I used a SegWit enabled wallet to send the deposit to the address generated by Bitwhisk. I was trying to see if they recognized the instant SegWit transactions.

At this point, I thought the page would display the unconfirmed deposits live on this page, but it wasn't the case, I had to go over to the "Order Status" page, enter the generated address and then check if it detected my deposit. It did detect the unconfirmed deposit and all I had to do now was wait for confirmations.

After about 30 minutes the coins were confirmed and almost instantaneously the address that I entered in the beginning, got the mixed return deposit.

Overall, a smooth experience
It needs to be a bit more advanced, they need to implement a few more strategies, few clinks here and there and the UI needs to improve. They do have a very detailed FAQ page which makes it so much more convinient for the less experienced users to get used to the platform. I wish the team all the very best.

Dear Sellingaccs, we are spending a big part of our reserve on signature campaign, I hope you can understand our situation. You mixed small amount, so almost all your coins are back in your wallet.

In case you didnt notice my answer, I quote it below.


Best regards,
BitWhisk.io

Hey Bitwhisk! I have noticed, that you did not add anything to my review. Is it what you agree on, or you just have nothing to add to as it's my personal experience?
Even tho if i don't get paid for this review, i still want to contribute and help you testing such a service. I would love to see a Signature Campaign from you accepting everyone who is a Quality Poster, and not restricting people only by ranks. I've seen many great Jr. Member posters as well.

Hi steve, we have launched a signature campaign and right now we are not in need of new testers. However, if you are interested you can always test our service with your own coins.

Best regards,
BitWhisk.io

Hello, if it is still available I would like to test 3NT2aS6mNiZTmhHJagunBN9jRu4hPS96ef

Thank you for your testing, Sellingaccs. Maybe we will accept small amount transactions after one confirmation, but it is not a high priority task. Actually, we accept all incoming amounts with 2 confs, why do you mention 3?

I gave bitwhisk a try, and have a few words to share my experience.
The process was fairly simple, no complications at all. You enter the amount, which you'd like to mix and then send funds over to the generated address.
I liked the simplicity of the process, as well as the fact that you can enter a custom fee if you'd like to. However i wish that there was only requirement of 1 confirmation for small amounts as it makes no sense that there is need to wait for 3 if mixing for example under 0.001BTC.

At this point I have said more negative than positive about BitWhisk, because of their recent issues with this signature campaign nonsense. You can call me whatever you like digaron, since we're jump buddies. I have probably provided all of the helpful feedback I can provide to this company, and you may have a point. I meant it more as, if ChipMixer decided then Darkstar_ would probably be the person that relays this message. I was just assuming that it would come through them.

I don't plan on deleting my posts, have I said something inappropriate?

lolxxxx was tagged for their past scams, ban evasion and being involved in ponzi schemes. I guess I am still confused about the whole trap thing, but you always have interesting reasoning that goes along with your statements. You've been using less profanity lately, and I can only hope that you can keep your nose clean.

I see what you're saying, and don't disagree with you, really. I'll probably leave them to their own devices as far as suggestions, testing or anything like that regarding their service goes. Let them fly out of the nest and see how things go. No sense in putting more thought and care into their service than the owners. 

I am not going to *quote you bill, can I call you bill since we're jump-buddies? a.k.a F word instead of jump. I wouldn't have appreciated you to bump a competition's thread if I were sir Chipmixer the great. every service has to start from somewhere, this one could become a service like Chipmixer some day if they have it in them. there is nothing don could say here, he is nothing to Chipmixer but a manager and he is the most constructive poster of all. Flol.

This is a trap, because they have tagged the **poor lolxxx a.k.a "the account farmer and scammer". what would you call them if they'd taken his job because of what they have done to him with their feedback?

*I don't want you to have me quoting you here, in case if you are going to delete your post.

**Replace poor with F word, but don't mistake it with my usual Flol. Flol.

digaron, your posts never get me upset, man. I'm always laughing while I read your posts, in a genuinely amused manner. I mean this as a compliment, honestly.

What sort of trap do you suppose it would be?

Competition breeds success.

If Darkstar_ feels that we should have nothing to say in terms of other mixers, then they are free to let us know and we will either stop doing so, part ways or negotiate something else to the satisfaction of every party involved. I am simply sharing my thoughts, some positive, some negative, but all of them straightforward and honest. I post around the forum as if I do not have a signature under my name, therefore it is not a consideration when I'm writing my post. I doubt ChipMixer sees this service as competition, anyways. They are just getting their wings and freshly walking into the market. If there is going to be any drama involved, I will gladly walk away from this thread and BitWhisk. I do not want to bring any problems their way, and they are not worth bringing any problems upon myself. I just wanted to help out what seems to be an honest company looking for feedback; that is pretty rare coming from a lower ranking account these days. In other words, it was refreshing to pop my head into this thread and see nobody being scammed or spammed. I hope this helps you understand a little better the reasons or motivations behind my involvement in this thread. If not, keep the questions coming and I'll be honest and straightforward in my explanations or answers. I can't speak for anybody else, so they will have to do so if they care to answer your questions.


I agree with you here. Turning this thread into a flame war isn't helping anything.
The way you word things gets me everytime.
Daddy Joe raised us better than that!


The constructive posting part was addressed above, so I'll leave it at that on that issue. Thank you, for keeping your concerns level-headed and reasonable, for now. I fear that you shouldn't be scaring off campaign managers from this company, because that seems a little unfair to do to them.

I don't know why any of you would entertain the support of a competition (Bill, Joe, Don)?. @Lauda and Lutpin, this is a trap, do not accept managing any campaign for BitWhisk.io. thanks before.


Is this what Joe has raised you to do? you are not doing any good, you are just insulting somebody in favor of another member.


There is no scamming, I don't know why would they post so constructively here, but they are not scamming anybody.

Do you care to substantiate your claims or is this silly accusation game something you plan to do without evidence? Let me guess, everybody in the ChipMixer campaign is one person with many alts. You are a joke. I refuse to go back and forth you any longer on this issue within someone else's thread. If you would like anybody to take you seriously, then create a thread in reputation, scam accusation or wherever else you believe it to be necessary.

I can only assume this was your attempt to slight darkstar, when I figure I would be the baby alt in this scenario, right?

If it is going to be irrelevant to bitwhisk, then please refrain from posting it within this thread. This thread is for the development, testing, commentary, suggestion, etc. surrounding their new service in an attempt to get it successfully off the ground.

I doubt BitWhisk is interested in having me as their campaign manager. I have no experience in this field, and though I am willing to learn, I doubt this is something they are willing to entertain at this point. BitWhisk needs a manager that is reputable and going to get the job done right without mistake. They can do better than me, and while I am flattered by Joe's suggestion I see this as a slight conflict of interest. Whether it be because I was the first to take issue with lolxxxx or that I am apart of ChipMixer, either way it would be potentially problematic. If I was to take on such an endeavor I would request approval from Darkstar first, as to not step on any toes. Again though, there are better choices and these people would do a better job.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/smas-signature-managers-against-spam-light-version-1545652
BitWhisk, take a read through this thread. Also read up on the others we have mentioned.

I find it very amusing that BTCForJoe has been accused of being my alt, or is it that I am Joe's alt? That's pretty funny, and I would have to assume that you are UME/lolxxxx or whatever else you'd like to call yourself. I do not have a personal problem with you or anybody else, I just was simply trying to protect this new company from falling victim to a known scammer.

yahoo, lauda, lutpin, darkstar, hilariousandco are all pretty solid managers that normally have no problem taking on a new campaign.

Both are from the same company. Both are saying the same thing. Both are alts of each other. favoring each other. Stay away from these scammers.

Hire yahoo62278, lauda or lutpin

Hey BitWhisk, I don’t know why I didn’t think about this before, but bill gator would actually make a great campaign manager... given that he is wearing a signature of one of your competitors lol. But he is extremely thorough and I have no doubt that he would be able to provide you with some quality management and even better reviews of participants.

Lol, sorry bill, if you don’t have the time or desire, but hey... I’m calling it like I see it!

BitWhisk, I’ve readded your site to my bookmarks; I have no issues with tumbling small amounts of coins until you can gain some reputation here. Again, kudos for handling this in a swift manner.

Thank you for being so responsive every step of the way. I'm not trying to bully you into doing anything you are not interested in doing and it's not as though I was planning a witch hunt had you not shut down the campaign. I have just been around long enough to see how things play out and as human beings we are well equipped to recognize patterns when they arise. This was one of those unfortunate patterns until just now, as most companies would have ridden that wave stubbornly until the end of their days. You have broken the pattern and now you control the fate of your company again, not these uninterested leeches that hang around the forums. Kudos to you.

Please, feel free to inquire further. If you have any questions you can feel free to PM me or ask openly within this thread. I want to see you succeed as I have stated many times. If you are in need of a quality signature manager then let me know and I will point you in the direction of experienced and reputable. A lot of these trusted campaign mangers have racked up a large amount of untrusted negative feedback by doing exactly as I am suggesting and making enemies by discriminating low-quality users from their campaign.

You've made many adjustments since you've announced your service and this can just be considered a logistical hiccup that is put behind us. Continue to learn from the mistakes, continue to take criticism with dignity and continue to be willing to learn in the way you have been; This project will come together before long.

Dear Bill, thank you very much for your detailed feedback. We will take your every word into account. I admit this was completely our mistake. Good thing is that we didn't hire a lot of users yet. We will develop a new campaign in a couple of days. Maybe we will hire another trusted manager or will run it by ourselves. Once again, thanks for such a quick reaction.

Best regards,
BitWhisk.io

Who do you think will be seeing your signatures buried deep in spam megathreads as the 1000th, 2500th or 4000th+ reply? Even if that was the whole idea of running a campaign, you are not achieving that goal.


You have to think beyond the participants of the campaign receiving their funds, especially considering the participants that have been selected thus far do not qualify as a contributing member of the forum by any measure. If you are pleased with paying these participants after acknowledging everything I have laid out, then I can only imagine you are operating with cognitive dissonance and this is unfortunate. What is wrong is the users you are choosing to pay. What is wrong is the message you are sending by defending the posting habits of these users and in fact incentivizing it financially. You may not scam anybody, but your campaign manager has represented companies that have scammed people in the past; this doesn't look good, because it associates you very heavily with their past scams.


Untrusted feedback rarely has value.
Why do you think Default Trust, and Trusted Feedback are a separate category? They hold more weight and are a good defensive measure against users with multiple alternate accounts, like lolxxxx, that have malicious intent and would abuse the system.


Point me to them. I see none.
The only "established" entity I can see affiliated with lolxxxx is the infamous bitconnect scam that made a mockery out of millions and crypto in general.


So, then to answer my question; No, you do no see anything that I have pointed out as a significant enough problem to warrant a solution. You honestly believe your campaign manager is doing their job well, even after seeing the participants they have selected. After seeing the hypocritical rules/criteria. I am baffled and was hoping to hear a different response from you.


Your manager also did not "hire" anybody that is a quality member or respected. Your manager did not even the hire the best applicants. Your manager has been found in possession of multiple high ranking alternate accounts; I would honestly be suspicious that they are alt accounts or friends of theirs. I would not necessarily say that these are good signs in collaboration with the rest of what we are seeing.

All in all, this was a very disappointing response about the entire situation. Your participants and campaign manager are single handedly going to take down your business' reputation.


Edit : Seems like you've realized how disastrous this would become, quickly. Good thinking to close the campaign, at least until things are better sorted.

Under all above circumstances we have decided to close the current campaign. Definitely, it was our mistake and it won't happen again. I tried to explain my logic in the previous post, but we want to be a part of a community and violation of current rules about trust will not drive us anywhere.

Our excuses to the enrolled users. They should receive payment from our manager soon. I confirm we received the payment for the manager's work back from lolxxxx. Will update this post when everybody will receive their funds.

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UPD: I received a payment for campaign back from the user lolxxxx.
UPD2: All the enrolled users approved they obtained a small reward for wearing our signature a couple of days.

Best regards,
BitWhisk.io