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sr. member
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If i had a dollar for every "had i known"
Your relentless pursuit to create fear of btcp just proves how scared the competition is. They work full time attacking this new revolutionary privacy coin. Everything from the post above is bullshit! You guys are mortified to see btcp 2x overnight, the panic is real and the jealousy is oozing!

Getting attacked is a good sign isn't it? It shows that someone cares about you. And if you survive the attacks it will be even stronger.

Just maybe this guys saw how whalecoin was manipulated and dumped by Rhett (BTCP Dev) and saw how ppl that got into Zclassic due to Rhett lost their life saving in proportion similar to Bitconnect and they want to prevent others from going thru similar woes with this coin.
newbie
Activity: 39
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Can I know that when will they add their coin to some bigger exchanges or alternatively we can ask that when will these bigger exchanges allow BTCP to be listed on their exchanges? It is important to get listed for the price to get higher and to be adopted by more investors and users of crypto. If they will not let it live on bigger exchanges then people will not rely on it for their bigger capital.

Can someone please explain why a "big exchange" is so important?  Anyone that wants BTCP can open an account with one of the supporting exchanges in about 10 minutes.

Liquidity.

Yes, you are correct. Anyone can open an account in about 10 minutes.  It's fine for smaller investors.  No problem buying/selling 100 coins or less.  But the medium to large players cannot touch this coin.  There is not enough liquidity.  It will never have the same liquidity as coins with a large circulating supply, but larger exchanges will definitely help.

I don't know if a larger exchange (larger based on volume of other coins) would necessarily translate into more liquidity of btcp.  Anyone wanting to sell now will have their coins on one of the exchanges, so I would think that more exchanges would spread out the supply further.  Thinly traded on multiple exchanges may introduce some good arbitrage opportunities. 

Where things will get interesting, in my opinion, is if/when they start collecting the "unclaimed" coins.  I would speculate that most of the ZCL coins have been claimed, while most BTC holders don't even know they have BTCP to claim - much less know how to claim it. That's a lot of coin!  If they use it to develop the project this could be a success.  At any rate they have until next March to make some progress.  I don't think there will be enough miners left after the block reward halfing next March to keep the network secure, in fact, you would have a good argument that with the current network  hash rate about 10 MH/s, a 51% attack would not be too expensive to pull off.  Good news is right now it wouldn't be worth it. If the price increases, obviously the hash rate will increase, but the price would have to double by March just to maintain the current low hash rate. 


It's interesting that you mentioned about the liquidity.  I did a quick google and found the following site:

https://btcp.blockexplorer.link/richlist

it indicates that there are approximate 4.4 million BTCP in circulation.  If this site is correct, then a huge chunk of the BTC owner don't know how to claim BTCP... or many of the large exchange just simply won't support claiming of BTCP.

if the 4.4 million BTCP in circulation is true, is that enough coins in circulation to have huge move in the price?

Then again, the 4.4 million BTCP just counting the transparent wallet (public visible), not counting BTCP stored in the private wallet.  It will be extremely interesting to see how many coins actually hidden in the blockchain.
newbie
Activity: 39
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Can I know that when will they add their coin to some bigger exchanges or alternatively we can ask that when will these bigger exchanges allow BTCP to be listed on their exchanges? It is important to get listed for the price to get higher and to be adopted by more investors and users of crypto. If they will not let it live on bigger exchanges then people will not rely on it for their bigger capital.

Can someone please explain why a "big exchange" is so important?  Anyone that wants BTCP can open an account with one of the supporting exchanges in about 10 minutes.

Liquidity.

Yes, you are correct. Anyone can open an account in about 10 minutes.  It's fine for smaller investors.  No problem buying/selling 100 coins or less.  But the medium to large players cannot touch this coin.  There is not enough liquidity.  It will never have the same liquidity as coins with a large circulating supply, but larger exchanges will definitely help.

I don't know if a larger exchange (larger based on volume of other coins) would necessarily translate into more liquidity of btcp.  Anyone wanting to sell now will have their coins on one of the exchanges, so I would think that more exchanges would spread out the supply further.  Thinly traded on multiple exchanges may introduce some good arbitrage opportunities. 

Where things will get interesting, in my opinion, is if/when they start collecting the "unclaimed" coins.  I would speculate that most of the ZCL coins have been claimed, while most BTC holders don't even know they have BTCP to claim - much less know how to claim it. That's a lot of coin!  If they use it to develop the project this could be a success.  At any rate they have until next March to make some progress.  I don't think there will be enough miners left after the block reward halfing next March to keep the network secure, in fact, you would have a good argument that with the current network  hash rate about 10 MH/s, a 51% attack would not be too expensive to pull off.  Good news is right now it wouldn't be worth it. If the price increases, obviously the hash rate will increase, but the price would have to double by March just to maintain the current low hash rate. 


It's interesting that you mentioned about the liquidity.  I did a quick google and found the following site:

https://btcp.blockexplorer.link/richlist

it indicates that there are approximate 4.4 million BTCP in circulation.  If this site is correct, then a huge chunk of the BTC owner don't know how to claim BTCP... or many of the large exchange just simply won't support claiming of BTCP.

if the 4.4 million BTCP in circulation is true, is that enough coins in circulation to have huge move in the price?
newbie
Activity: 81
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It has only been a few months since I got into crypto so I am, I suppose, you can call a noob. I have done some reading on BTCP and I am not sure what to think of it. Lot of comments saying it is a scam but then there are also people saying it is a solid coin. I want to invest but I am not sure with all the mixed comments.


Anything new about this coin and team I should know about?

One of important things to understand about this coin is that the float is extremely small.  The devs lied and claim the circulating supply is over 20+ million coins right now, but it's not.  It's much lower, likely not even half that much.  But even if it were possible to have 20+ million coins in circulation right now, that is still a small number.

What this means is that the price can be easily moved.  When there is a little bit of solid buy pressure, it will fly and it will fall just as fast with some panic selling as well.  So when panic or fomo hit, the price is easily moved.  There are simply not enough coins in circulation (or big enough exchanges) to absorb heavy pressure. 

It's also important to realize that eventually it may get on a decent exchange and the larger bitcoin holder might start sweeping more btcp into circulation.  There is a potentially large supply that could still be dumped on the market.  As long as the price remains low and the coin is only tradeable on small scammy exchanges, these bigger players will not likely bother.  But it could be a factor in the future.  Right now, medium to large players simply can't do much.  There is not enough liquidity on TS or Nanex.

Then of course, the biggie;  the dev team. 
It has only been a few months since I got into crypto so I am, I suppose, you can call a noob. I have done some reading on BTCP and I am not sure what to think of it. Lot of comments saying it is a scam but then there are also people saying it is a solid coin. I want to invest but I am not sure with all the mixed comments.


Anything new about this coin and team I should know about?

The best thing is to do your own due diligence.  Plenty of videos and paper on the web that talks about zero-knowledge proof or zkSNARK algorithm used in BTCP.  This really is a differentiator from other bitcoin babies. 

Plenty of pumper and dumper on this coin and every other baby bitcoins out there.  Make your own judgment by study the coin, its technology, its community, and the developers that back it. 

For me, I found this coin to be very interesting and very promising.



Thanks guys. It was all very helpful. I know the things to look into now.
newbie
Activity: 5
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Can I know that when will they add their coin to some bigger exchanges or alternatively we can ask that when will these bigger exchanges allow BTCP to be listed on their exchanges? It is important to get listed for the price to get higher and to be adopted by more investors and users of crypto. If they will not let it live on bigger exchanges then people will not rely on it for their bigger capital.

Can someone please explain why a "big exchange" is so important?  Anyone that wants BTCP can open an account with one of the supporting exchanges in about 10 minutes.

Liquidity.

Yes, you are correct. Anyone can open an account in about 10 minutes.  It's fine for smaller investors.  No problem buying/selling 100 coins or less.  But the medium to large players cannot touch this coin.  There is not enough liquidity.  It will never have the same liquidity as coins with a large circulating supply, but larger exchanges will definitely help.

I don't know if a larger exchange (larger based on volume of other coins) would necessarily translate into more liquidity of btcp.  Anyone wanting to sell now will have their coins on one of the exchanges, so I would think that more exchanges would spread out the supply further.  Thinly traded on multiple exchanges may introduce some good arbitrage opportunities. 

Where things will get interesting, in my opinion, is if/when they start collecting the "unclaimed" coins.  I would speculate that most of the ZCL coins have been claimed, while most BTC holders don't even know they have BTCP to claim - much less know how to claim it. That's a lot of coin!  If they use it to develop the project this could be a success.  At any rate they have until next March to make some progress.  I don't think there will be enough miners left after the block reward halfing next March to keep the network secure, in fact, you would have a good argument that with the current network  hash rate about 10 MH/s, a 51% attack would not be too expensive to pull off.  Good news is right now it wouldn't be worth it. If the price increases, obviously the hash rate will increase, but the price would have to double by March just to maintain the current low hash rate. 
member
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Can I know that when will they add their coin to some bigger exchanges or alternatively we can ask that when will these bigger exchanges allow BTCP to be listed on their exchanges? It is important to get listed for the price to get higher and to be adopted by more investors and users of crypto. If they will not let it live on bigger exchanges then people will not rely on it for their bigger capital.

Can someone please explain why a "big exchange" is so important?  Anyone that wants BTCP can open an account with one of the supporting exchanges in about 10 minutes.

Liquidity.

Yes, you are correct. Anyone can open an account in about 10 minutes.  It's fine for smaller investors.  No problem buying/selling 100 coins or less.  But the medium to large players cannot touch this coin.  There is not enough liquidity.  It will never have the same liquidity as coins with a large circulating supply, but larger exchanges will definitely help.
member
Activity: 153
Merit: 10
It has only been a few months since I got into crypto so I am, I suppose, you can call a noob. I have done some reading on BTCP and I am not sure what to think of it. Lot of comments saying it is a scam but then there are also people saying it is a solid coin. I want to invest but I am not sure with all the mixed comments.


Anything new about this coin and team I should know about?

One of important things to understand about this coin is that the float is extremely small.  The devs lied and claim the circulating supply is over 20+ million coins right now, but it's not.  It's much lower, likely not even half that much.  But even if it were possible to have 20+ million coins in circulation right now, that is still a small number.

What this means is that the price can be easily moved.  When there is a little bit of solid buy pressure, it will fly and it will fall just as fast with some panic selling as well.  So when panic or fomo hit, the price is easily moved.  There are simply not enough coins in circulation (or big enough exchanges) to absorb heavy pressure.  

It's also important to realize that eventually it may get on a decent exchange and the larger bitcoin holder might start sweeping more btcp into circulation.  There is a potentially large supply that could still be dumped on the market.  As long as the price remains low and the coin is only tradeable on small scammy exchanges, these bigger players will not likely bother.  But it could be a factor in the future.  Right now, medium to large players simply can't do much.  There is not enough liquidity on TS or Nanex.

Then of course, the biggie;  the dev team.  
newbie
Activity: 5
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Can I know that when will they add their coin to some bigger exchanges or alternatively we can ask that when will these bigger exchanges allow BTCP to be listed on their exchanges? It is important to get listed for the price to get higher and to be adopted by more investors and users of crypto. If they will not let it live on bigger exchanges then people will not rely on it for their bigger capital.

Can someone please explain why a "big exchange" is so important?  Anyone that wants BTCP can open an account with one of the supporting exchanges in about 10 minutes.
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
It has only been a few months since I got into crypto so I am, I suppose, you can call a noob. I have done some reading on BTCP and I am not sure what to think of it. Lot of comments saying it is a scam but then there are also people saying it is a solid coin. I want to invest but I am not sure with all the mixed comments.


Anything new about this coin and team I should know about?

The best thing is to do your own due diligence.  Plenty of videos and paper on the web that talks about zero-knowledge proof or zkSNARK algorithm used in BTCP.  This really is a differentiator from other bitcoin babies. 

Plenty of pumper and dumper on this coin and every other baby bitcoins out there.  Make your own judgment by study the coin, its technology, its community, and the developers that back it. 

For me, I found this coin to be very interesting and very promising.
newbie
Activity: 81
Merit: 0
It has only been a few months since I got into crypto so I am, I suppose, you can call a noob. I have done some reading on BTCP and I am not sure what to think of it. Lot of comments saying it is a scam but then there are also people saying it is a solid coin. I want to invest but I am not sure with all the mixed comments.


Anything new about this coin and team I should know about?
hero member
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Can I know that when will they add their coin to some bigger exchanges or alternatively we can ask that when will these bigger exchanges allow BTCP to be listed on their exchanges? It is important to get listed for the price to get higher and to be adopted by more investors and users of crypto. If they will not let it live on bigger exchanges then people will not rely on it for their bigger capital.
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What about trezor support?

Is up to Trezor's devs to review and accept.
The commits have been ready since last month.
sr. member
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Your relentless pursuit to create fear of btcp just proves how scared the competition is. They work full time attacking this new revolutionary privacy coin. Everything from the post above is bullshit! You guys are mortified to see btcp 2x overnight, the panic is real and the jealousy is oozing!

Getting attacked is a good sign isn't it? It shows that someone cares about you. And if you survive the attacks it will be even stronger.
member
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You must be getting payed well to post all day about a coin you don’t like

Nobody gets paid to expose scams. This is not how industry works, scammers and bagholders like you on the other hand can shill all day about a shitcoin for payment. You should try credits scam, they are paying shillers good.
full member
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What about trezor support?

As it seems to me it is more from the team of the tremor depends, I do not think that the developers are against the integration rather the treasure is not in a hurry considering how much market volume takes a token and what work should be done to add it.
sr. member
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What about trezor support?
full member
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You must be getting payed well to post all day about a coin you don’t like
member
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Yeah, they both seem to have abandoned this announcement thread and it's not even been 2 months since the fork.  It's amazing how people can worship devs like some of these btcp bagholders do.  Jake the snake and Rhettconnect  don't even participate in their own announcement thread, yet the lemmings still follow them off the cliff like they are messiahs or something.  Pretty entertaining to watch, but it's sad to see newbies lose their money to these fraudsters.
full member
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Your relentless pursuit to create fear of btcp just proves how scared the competition is. They work full time attacking this new revolutionary privacy coin. Everything from the post above is bullshit! You guys are mortified to see btcp 2x overnight, the panic is real and the jealousy is oozing!
newbie
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One apparent reason can be many people dumped in early days their free coins which which they got form hard fork and large part of supply may have reached in whales possessions. That's why they can move the market the way they want. It really surprised everyone suddenly Bitcoin Private woke up and came into news and discussions.

No am not surprised by the sudden rise in price, this is what Rhett does. When it was all about whale coin, it was been touted as the coin that was going to fuel this huge decentralized social network site. A lot of ppl bought into the bullshit and soon as he saw that bitcoin forks were garnering a lot of interest in the news, and everyone was talking about privacy (even Bs coins like deep onion was killing it due to great marketing), he abandoned his post at whalecoin,  bought a bunch of zclassic for ridiculously low price, and announced a fork of zclassic. Which we all know he didn't have to fork zclassic to make bitcoin private a reality, there were countless option he would have utilized if he had the interest of the community in mind.

 But been the shady fucker he is, he intentionally named it bitcoin private cos he knew there was alot of newbs on the scene and they will automatically anticipate that it might attain the same success that bitcoincash had. (After all, it had the name bitcoin in it and it a fork of a coin that sounds like zcash and everyone is talking about zcash) Coupled with his shill army, this drove the price of zclassic up to a point ( comparable to other major bitcoin forks/zcash price) where he comfortable sold and easily made over 9000% percent gain on his investment, and that , not counting the BTCP he also received from the fork. The individuals that bought zlassic ATH received a coin that was worth less than 1/16th what they paid for Zclassic ATH) then he left zclassic and headed over here to repeat the same thing.

 so anyone who has been following his progression knew a pump of BTCP was inevitable, my only advise to a new investor perusing thru this thread is to make your money fast. this is not a guy you depend on and hold for the long term cos soon as something else piques the market's interest, he will abandon this and go fork that. He even admit it that he loves to fork several coin and it's good for the ecosystem, whatever that means. It's all good if he stays on top of each one rather than fork, milk, abandon and moves to the next stag.

Thank you for sharing your insight with all of the ignorant people who will show up to this thread to be robbed like ZCL. It is truly sad and pathetic that the other responses to this post were just negative and rude comments towards somebody with obviously good intention of protecting the interests of new arrivals (humans/investors not greed demons).

To be honest, I have only been following this story since I watched ZCL pump like something the "creator" (forker) probably attached to his own phallus and used to (attempt to) increase his size. Ah overcompensation. A bad joke and a greed that will never be sated, that is what we are looking at when viewing BTCP.

As a software developer and a student of all (interesting) things crypto, I must say that the first IDIOT move of this fork was to fork ZCL..ZCL was broken, as was ZCASH when it was released (the version that ZCL forked). there was a problem with merging joinsplits on the Z addresses that was/is losing peoples coins:
https://github.com/zcash/zcash/issues/3114

search "zcash joinsplit bug git"

Anyway, I thought they (zcash) fixed that (BY NOW!!!) but the issue is still open as anyone can see. Public info.. Zcash has problems and as such it should have never been released in its current state. Should have been fixed first. But the greedy devs got rich by idiots. I was one of them (an idiot for investing in zcash). When I found out Zero had the same bug (that is where I discovered it when I LOST my zero locked on a Z address. thank god it was 15 zero not 15 ZEC but it would have made no difference to the code what the coin value was. read this as, if it had been Zcash it would have been lost just the same. Why? Nobody knows, apparently but the code keeps getting perpetuated and people keep losing money.

BTCP is a broken fork, the problem will NEVER be fixed. If Zcash hasn't even fixed it then Zcash forks are DOOMED unless somebody BETTER than zcash steps up and actually FIXES the problem not just clones to infinity.

That is not even to mention the social problem of this coin and the forkers (who have NO INTENTION of improving or developing a coin) are like a cancer to the whole scene. But thats to be expected. Follow the money, follow the greed, rise up to get exploited and vote for BTCP!

Just some very bad sarcasm to example how stupid people are.

Do you research before investing or simply be prepared to lose all of of your money.

Read above from a developer.

Z address coins can disappear from your a/c and can not be recovered. This problem is ongoing and has never been fixed by Zcash and can not be fixed.

So Rhett and cryptojake have forked a Z coin with an unknown coding problem that can not be fixed.

So Rhett and cryptojake when are you going to grow a spine guys and come to this thread and communicate. Is BTCP now a past thing for you and you have moved onto your next scam fork.

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