Topic: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA - page 236. (Read 1266559 times)
August 12, 2014, 02:33:10 PM
Looks as if price has stabilized over the past 5 hours. Time to load up! Who wants to dent the wall with me?
August 12, 2014, 02:32:17 PM
To sum up for potential new investors:
Strong Developer Team:
First Development Team
TheDagger/alty - Project manager / leader
MD - Lead developer including PoSA
x11joe - OneMarket /OSX developer
jaewulf - Coder / Graphic Design
dasource - Block Explorer / Data management expert
Second Development Team
mrRGnome - Developer ( to be revealed project )
FullPixelHD = Website Designer
CrazyLoaf - Research / Investor
ludx = ( to be revealed project )
r00tback - CloakVPN
Pysiek - Investor
Marketing Team
TR_ - Cloaktalk admin / marketing
thcmakaveli - Social media / marketing
Development Steps:
POSA:
Posa v1 - check 08.08.2014
Posa V2 with escrow - expected in the next 7-14 days
One Market:
One Market V1 - ongoing Development by X11Joe
First Screenshots:
Cloakpal
Cloakpal V1 - ongoing Development
First Screenshot:
Project Ciara
no information yet.
Marketing Activities:
http://cloaktalk.org/t/cloak-marketing-fund/92
Articles about Cloakcoin:
30.07.2014, Cloakcoin Developer Discusses Anonymous Transactions :
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cloakcoin-developer-discusses-anonymous-transactions/2014/07/30
31.07.2014 Weekly Altcoin News Update: Darkcoin Price Falls Below $5, Cloakcoin Anonymity Enters Public Beta, and More:
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/weekly-altcoin-news-update-darkcoin-price-falls-5-cloakcoin-anonymity-enters-public-beta/2014/07/31
01.08.2014 CryptographicCoin and CloakCoin: Anonymity Battle!
http://bitcoinist.net/cryptographiccoin-and-cloakcoin-anonymity-battle/
01.08.2014 Cloakcoin: Developer Interview
http://bitcoinist.net/cloakcoin-developer-interview/
01.08.2014 All Things Alt: Starcraft Goes Crypto, Urocoin’s Future and a Mining Pool Prohibition
http://www.coindesk.com/starcraft-urocoin-mining-pool-prohibition/
06.08.2014 Cloakcoin – The Coin with the Built in Exchange
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cloakcoin-coin-built-exchange/2014/08/06
New Wallet Q&A
http://cloaktalk.org/t/new-wallet-q-a/187
Lets keep rocking.
Cheers!
Lets keep rocking !
Strong Developer Team:
First Development Team
TheDagger/alty - Project manager / leader
MD - Lead developer including PoSA
x11joe - OneMarket /OSX developer
jaewulf - Coder / Graphic Design
dasource - Block Explorer / Data management expert
Second Development Team
mrRGnome - Developer ( to be revealed project )
FullPixelHD = Website Designer
CrazyLoaf - Research / Investor
ludx = ( to be revealed project )
r00tback - CloakVPN
Pysiek - Investor
Marketing Team
TR_ - Cloaktalk admin / marketing
thcmakaveli - Social media / marketing
Development Steps:
POSA:
Posa v1 - check 08.08.2014
Posa V2 with escrow - expected in the next 7-14 days
One Market:
One Market V1 - ongoing Development by X11Joe
First Screenshots:
Cloakpal
Cloakpal V1 - ongoing Development
First Screenshot:
Project Ciara
no information yet.
Marketing Activities:
http://cloaktalk.org/t/cloak-marketing-fund/92
Articles about Cloakcoin:
30.07.2014, Cloakcoin Developer Discusses Anonymous Transactions :
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cloakcoin-developer-discusses-anonymous-transactions/2014/07/30
31.07.2014 Weekly Altcoin News Update: Darkcoin Price Falls Below $5, Cloakcoin Anonymity Enters Public Beta, and More:
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/weekly-altcoin-news-update-darkcoin-price-falls-5-cloakcoin-anonymity-enters-public-beta/2014/07/31
01.08.2014 CryptographicCoin and CloakCoin: Anonymity Battle!
http://bitcoinist.net/cryptographiccoin-and-cloakcoin-anonymity-battle/
01.08.2014 Cloakcoin: Developer Interview
http://bitcoinist.net/cloakcoin-developer-interview/
01.08.2014 All Things Alt: Starcraft Goes Crypto, Urocoin’s Future and a Mining Pool Prohibition
http://www.coindesk.com/starcraft-urocoin-mining-pool-prohibition/
06.08.2014 Cloakcoin – The Coin with the Built in Exchange
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cloakcoin-coin-built-exchange/2014/08/06
New Wallet Q&A
http://cloaktalk.org/t/new-wallet-q-a/187
Lets keep rocking.
Cheers!
Lets keep rocking !
Every Community Member who want to help please check out the Wallet Q&A and help with awesome tipps! Cheers!
On the last 5 pages I still read people having problems installing their wallets etc.pp
Cheers
August 12, 2014, 02:28:31 PM
CLOACK ROCKS!
Louv this coin!
Louv this coin!
August 12, 2014, 02:28:03 PM
the Holy Grail of Cryptocurrency: Trustless Anonymity , and you sell it this cheap. A lot of newbies are going to be surprised soon for selling it cheap.
They panic sell when they see a downtrend , then panic buy when they see a uptrend ,
Selling your coins for a pizza , guess history repeats itselfs
They panic sell when they see a downtrend , then panic buy when they see a uptrend ,
Selling your coins for a pizza , guess history repeats itselfs
^^^^ What this guy says, mark his words and remember this. ^^^^^
Which coin's top bagholders don't say that? R2-D2R2 is one of the top bagholders...
August 12, 2014, 02:24:41 PM
People think ? Smart people accumulating cloak, rich lists has not moved. Price has been driven down purposely in order for accumulation . Think people , think the graph are misleading
Onemarket is not even out yet.
Trolls and liars are rampant here.
Nothing but misinformation.
Cloakstrong needs a new secure way to communicate.
Then ditch this rat infested thread.
http://cloaktalk.org/ ?
August 12, 2014, 02:24:35 PM
the Holy Grail of Cryptocurrency: Trustless Anonymity , and you sell it this cheap. A lot of newbies are going to be surprised soon for selling it cheap.
They panic sell when they see a downtrend , then panic buy when they see a uptrend ,
Selling your coins for a pizza , guess history repeats itselfs
They panic sell when they see a downtrend , then panic buy when they see a uptrend ,
Selling your coins for a pizza , guess history repeats itselfs
^^^^ What this guy says, mark his words and remember this. ^^^^^
August 12, 2014, 02:16:27 PM
Looks like a lot of people bought a "Cloakcoin Pizza"...
There will be regrets down the road to One Market... Cloak shall prevail!
There will be regrets down the road to One Market... Cloak shall prevail!
August 12, 2014, 02:15:39 PM
People think ? Smart people accumulating cloak, rich lists has not moved. Price has been driven down purposely in order for accumulation . Think people , think the graph are misleading
Onemarket is not even out yet.
Trolls and liars are rampant here.
Nothing but misinformation.
Cloakstrong needs a new secure way to communicate.
Then ditch this rat infested thread.
August 12, 2014, 02:15:14 PM
so, since another bunches of pages gone by filled with nonsense, here is the latest news:
Update:
Cloak devs working hard as usual, there's a lot to get done and we're not stopping for anything.
Block escrow for the time being is the center of that development as it applies to both PoSA and OneMarket.
CloakPal, the SMS mobile wallet from the secondary dev team has been made public at www.cloakpal.com
Questions can be directed to Ludx on #Cloakcoin IRC related to CloakPal.
We've also been working on a graphical and relatively "easy to follow" explanation of how PoSA v2 works, that should become public over the next 24 hours or so.
PDF link will be posted here as soon as it's ready and also on www.cloaktalk.org
Cloak devs working hard as usual, there's a lot to get done and we're not stopping for anything.
Block escrow for the time being is the center of that development as it applies to both PoSA and OneMarket.
CloakPal, the SMS mobile wallet from the secondary dev team has been made public at www.cloakpal.com
Questions can be directed to Ludx on #Cloakcoin IRC related to CloakPal.
We've also been working on a graphical and relatively "easy to follow" explanation of how PoSA v2 works, that should become public over the next 24 hours or so.
PDF link will be posted here as soon as it's ready and also on www.cloaktalk.org
August 12, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
People think ? Smart people accumulating cloak, rich lists has not moved. Price has been driven down purposely in order for accumulation . Think people , think
Onemarket is not even out yet.
August 12, 2014, 02:09:56 PM
lol from watching the blockchain... fudding about posa being just a coinmixer to pointing at charts.... thats what i call a fudding AGENDA ... leave it troll
August 12, 2014, 02:06:31 PM
but this proves nothing... it could still be a simple mixer, like they implemented already, until theres some kind of open BETA testing or peer review cloak will continue to drop IMO, or how bout a DEV unmasking atleast...
You're wrong. If PoSA v1 is just a simple mixer it'd be vulnerable to taint analysis. Go do some transactions and try basic taint analysis on the addresses involved.
Or you can do a PoSA transaction knowing both the sender and receiver and try to connect the dots. If you know the source and destination of a mixed transaction it's trivial to trace the movement through the blockchain when mixing is used.
August 12, 2014, 02:05:33 PM
open public BETA testing, more in-depth technical info, code reviewed by trusted source....
PoSA was in open Beta for weeks (and in IRC you can ask any questions from devs and they will be happy to answer them), now the live PoSA wallet is out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8257810
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8262933
and for ppl that don't bother to read here it is from the links above:
"PoSA has been a closed source build, to protect it from cloning but when PoSA v2 launches expect a full audit from cryptographer/s or code analyst/s with the aim of adding an extra level of "trust and authenticity" in our work."
DRK code is also closed source but they have still managed to provide open BETA testing and show glimpses of the code (or atleast how it functions), its funny how little technical discussion there is on this thread and the CLOAK community as a whole.... 0.o
man just watching the cloak graph is amusing .. got my popcorn.... the lack of buy support is startling...
Not at all concerned! Have fun watching graphs
August 12, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
open public BETA testing, more in-depth technical info, code reviewed by trusted source....
PoSA was in open Beta for weeks (and in IRC you can ask any questions from devs and they will be happy to answer them), now the live PoSA wallet is out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8257810
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8262933
and for ppl that don't bother to read here it is from the links above:
"PoSA has been a closed source build, to protect it from cloning but when PoSA v2 launches expect a full audit from cryptographer/s or code analyst/s with the aim of adding an extra level of "trust and authenticity" in our work."
DRK code is also closed source but they have still managed to provide open BETA testing and show glimpses of the code (or atleast how it functions), its funny how little technical discussion there is on this thread and the CLOAK community as a whole.... 0.o
man just watching the cloak graph is amusing .. got my popcorn.... the lack of buy support is startling...
August 12, 2014, 01:49:48 PM
Could someone explain to me why is PoSA v2 anonymous?
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
How does that connecting line imply that Node #2 has knowledge of Ally's address? I don't get how you're forming that conclusion.
This is the same result as CLOAKSEND 1.0 which was nothing but a simple mixer, we need some more concrete proof, open public BETA testing, more in-depth technical info, code reviewed by trusted source....
and as far as the price declining, its obvious if you follow the blockchain that DEV/early adopter mined ALOT of cloak, worst case senerio is that cloak devs are still using simple mixer (like cloaksend/posa v1), mocked up a video to make it look like they have more advanced working anon features (and maybe pushed price up by themselves , like happend when cloak was accepted by mintpal, price automatically shot up 150%, in hopes it would stabilize and they could offload), and now dev knows that he cant produce any real proof and will refuse to do open BETA (i've been waiting WEEKS) or a peer code review, and is trying to dump as much cloak as possible, remember guys this is still an ANON DEV.... please be careful
if cloak turns out to be legit that would be awesome, we need more working anon solutions in crypto
Theres a guy on twitter offering $100K to anyone that can crack PoSA, you should try the challenge!
you will find his link back a few pages.
Sounds like you have it figured out so easy money ...
I think Kristov Atlas might be interested when hes done reviewing the DRK code, is the 100k in escrow, if not then its gotta be bullshit imo
August 12, 2014, 01:47:31 PM
Could someone explain to me why is PoSA v2 anonymous?
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
How does that connecting line imply that Node #2 has knowledge of Ally's address? I don't get how you're forming that conclusion.
This is the same result as CLOAKSEND 1.0 which was nothing but a simple mixer, we need some more concrete proof, open public BETA testing, more in-depth technical info, code reviewed by trusted source....
and as far as the price declining, its obvious if you follow the blockchain that DEV/early adopter mined ALOT of cloak, worst case senerio is that cloak devs are still using simple mixer (like cloaksend/posa v1), mocked up a video to make it look like they have more advanced working anon features (and maybe pushed price up by themselves , like happend when cloak was accepted by mintpal, price automatically shot up 150%, in hopes it would stabilize and they could offload), and now dev knows that he cant produce any real proof and will refuse to do open BETA (i've been waiting WEEKS) or a peer code review, and is trying to dump as much cloak as possible, remember guys this is still an ANON DEV.... please be careful
if cloak turns out to be legit that would be awesome, we need more working anon solutions in crypto
Theres a guy on twitter offering $100K to anyone that can crack PoSA, you should try the challenge!
you will find his link back a few pages.
Sounds like you have it figured out so easy money ...
here it is to help him out
https://twitter.com/CryptoGekko/status/497953448940158976
August 12, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
open public BETA testing, more in-depth technical info, code reviewed by trusted source....
PoSA was in open Beta for weeks (and in IRC you can ask any questions from devs and they will be happy to answer them), now the live PoSA wallet is out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8257810
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8262933
and for ppl that don't bother to read here it is from the links above:
"PoSA has been a closed source build, to protect it from cloning but when PoSA v2 launches expect a full audit from cryptographer/s or code analyst/s with the aim of adding an extra level of "trust and authenticity" in our work."
August 12, 2014, 01:42:43 PM
Could someone explain to me why is PoSA v2 anonymous?
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
How does that connecting line imply that Node #2 has knowledge of Ally's address? I don't get how you're forming that conclusion.
This is the same result as CLOAKSEND 1.0 which was nothing but a simple mixer, we need some more concrete proof, open public BETA testing, more in-depth technical info, code reviewed by trusted source....
and as far as the price declining, its obvious if you follow the blockchain that DEV/early adopter mined ALOT of cloak, worst case senerio is that cloak devs are still using simple mixer (like cloaksend/posa v1), mocked up a video to make it look like they have more advanced working anon features (and maybe pushed price up by themselves , like happend when cloak was accepted by mintpal, price automatically shot up 150%, in hopes it would stabilize and they could offload), and now dev knows that he cant produce any real proof and will refuse to do open BETA (i've been waiting WEEKS) or a peer code review, and is trying to dump as much cloak as possible, remember guys this is still an ANON DEV.... please be careful
if cloak turns out to be legit that would be awesome, we need more working anon solutions in crypto
Theres a guy on twitter offering $100K to anyone that can crack PoSA, you should try the challenge!
you will find his link back a few pages.
Sounds like you have it figured out so easy money ...
August 12, 2014, 01:40:48 PM
Could someone explain to me why is PoSA v2 anonymous?
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
How does that connecting line imply that Node #2 has knowledge of Ally's address? I don't get how you're forming that conclusion.
This is the same result as CLOAKSEND 1.0 which was nothing but a simple mixer, we need some more concrete proof, open public BETA testing, more in-depth technical info, code reviewed by trusted source....
and as far as the price declining, its obvious if you follow the blockchain that DEV/early adopter mined ALOT of cloak, worst case senerio is that cloak devs are still using simple mixer (like cloaksend/posa v1), mocked up a video to make it look like they have more advanced working anon features (and maybe pushed price up by themselves , like happend when cloak was accepted by mintpal, price automatically shot up 150%, in hopes it would stabilize and they could offload), and now dev knows that he cant produce any real proof and will refuse to do open BETA (i've been waiting WEEKS) or a peer code review, and is trying to dump as much cloak as possible, remember guys this is still an ANON DEV.... please be careful
if cloak turns out to be legit that would be awesome, we need more working anon solutions in crypto
PoSA wallet with version 1.0 is out.... so make a transaction yourself and do what you did before.... follow the blockchain and try to figure out
but this proves nothing... it could still be a simple mixer, like they implemented already, until theres some kind of open BETA testing or peer review cloak will continue to drop IMO, or how bout a DEV unmasking atleast...
August 12, 2014, 01:31:01 PM
Could someone explain to me why is PoSA v2 anonymous?
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
Ally has 2 PoSA addresses: Joe's and Node#1.
The transaction flow is the following:
tx#1 Ally is sending coins to Node#1 PoSA address together with Joe's PoSA address (how do you send the address in a transaction?).
tx#2 Node#1 is sending coins to Joe's PoSA address. (this was not (well) described in the diagram)
tx#3 Joe is sending coins from his PoSA address to Node#2 PoSA address
tx#4 Node#2 is sending coins to Joe's receiving address
Here is the problem I see: tx#4 is not anonymous as Joe's receiving address is linked with Ally's sending address through the above 4 transactions.
Just in case, here is the diagram with the possibly problematic line: https://i.imgur.com/UCMqsIr.jpg
How does that connecting line imply that Node #2 has knowledge of Ally's address? I don't get how you're forming that conclusion.
This is the same result as CLOAKSEND 1.0 which was nothing but a simple mixer, we need some more concrete proof, open public BETA testing, more in-depth technical info, code reviewed by trusted source....
and as far as the price declining, its obvious if you follow the blockchain that DEV/early adopter mined ALOT of cloak, worst case senerio is that cloak devs are still using simple mixer (like cloaksend/posa v1), mocked up a video to make it look like they have more advanced working anon features (and maybe pushed price up by themselves , like happend when cloak was accepted by mintpal, price automatically shot up 150%, in hopes it would stabilize and they could offload), and now dev knows that he cant produce any real proof and will refuse to do open BETA (i've been waiting WEEKS) or a peer code review, and is trying to dump as much cloak as possible, remember guys this is still an ANON DEV.... please be careful
if cloak turns out to be legit that would be awesome, we need more working anon solutions in crypto
PoSA wallet with version 1.0 is out.... so make a transaction yourself and do what you did before.... follow the blockchain and try to figure out
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