Topic: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA - page 74. (Read 1266558 times)

we HAD a very good PR guy, coolstoryteller, he set up cloaktalk.org, but he's out of cloak ever since the audit.  
kinda like cloako,( the guy formerly with over 30k cloak ) he got disillusioned by the way the devs handled the whole thing and sold it all.
i just remember that line from the movie "jerry mcguire"  that goes like this : HELP ME HELP YOU !
I really hope the devs will embrace allyouracid's idea, and yes, all this turmoil COULD have been avoided.
it sucks to witness people like coolstoryteller and cloako go from one extreme to the other, when, if we'd just calm down the rewards could be life changing.......and it would really help investors calm down if we had an intermediary who knows his stuff.   cloak COULD eventually be in the the top 5, or better    but not never with this kind of PR          let's do this coin justice and fix this    

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I need to say my piece here. The dev team could do with someone dealing with communications however there's no way that they need a project manager. That's just a knee jerk reaction to the deadline slipping, please give the team some space and let them work. Giving them an ultimatum about accepting a PM is just impatient.

For some reason people think by owning a few cloak they can dictate to the devs, try looking at it from their perspective, they have put a lot of hard work and the people criticizing them have not.

I need to say my piece here. The dev team could do with someone dealing with communications however there's no way that they need a project manager. That's just a knee jerk reaction to the deadline slipping, please give the team some space and let them work. Giving them an ultimatum about accepting a PM is just impatient.

For some reason people think by owning a few cloak they can dictate to the devs, try looking at it from their perspective, they have put a lot of hard work and the people criticizing them have not.

we HAD a very good PR guy, coolstoryteller, he set up cloaktalk.org, but he's out of cloak ever since the audit.  
kinda like cloako,( the guy formerly with over 30k cloak ) he got disillusioned by the way the devs handled the whole thing and sold it all.
i just remember that line from the movie "jerry mcguire"  that goes like this : HELP ME HELP YOU !
I really hope the devs will embrace allyouracid's idea, and yes, all this turmoil COULD have been avoided.
it sucks to witness people like coolstoryteller and cloako go from one extreme to the other, when, if we'd just calm down the rewards could be life changing.......and it would really help investors calm down if we had an intermediary who knows his stuff.   cloak COULD eventually be in the the top 5, or better    but not never with this kind of PR          let's do this coin justice and fix this    

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I need to say my piece here. The dev team could do with someone dealing with communications however there's no way that they need a project manager. That's just a knee jerk reaction to the deadline slipping, please give the team some space and let them work. Giving them an ultimatum about accepting a PM is just impatient.

For some reason people think by owning a few cloak they can dictate to the devs, try looking at it from their perspective, they have put a lot of hard work and the people criticizing them have not.

Totally agree on this. 

But the main question is:  Will the devs "allow" project management including a project manager?

Again, it's up to Alty or Dasource I think.

Anyone?

Absolutely spot on. You only see devs posting daily with shit and scamcoins. The lack of communication here just goes to reinforce the fact that CLOAK devs are the real deal - but we definitely need a PR Manager to mediate between community and devs. This is the best solution.

That seems to be the case...There is a consensus among trusted members about these two matters - Redmine and PR Manager.

Now I know that devs are reading this thread - the ball is in their court now. Let's see if they are willing to include the representative of the community as a PR Manager.

If you check out the screenshot of yesterday's dasource's comments on IRC. He seems to agree that there should be a person in charge of announcements and PR - but he has the doubts that this person might abuse the position - and use it for his own advantage. This is a possibility - that's why we should choose the PR Manager carefully. We should nominate a few trustworthy members of the community and then vote.

So, that's just a well-meant offer from me. I personally don't know any reason not to use it, but the decision is up to the developers.
For now, I'll have a look into the IRC from time to time and check whether dasource is online.

It is more likely that you will come upon DaSource or some other devs, but Alty comes to IRC a few times a week.

I think your idea of setting up the Redmine is the best thing we've heard in weeks. So Alty or any other devs that are reading this thread. Please contact allyouracid, he's a legit and trustworthy member of the community. We need to change the way devs and Alty have been handling interaction with the community and stakeholders - this is the number one priority for all of us. I plead to any members of the development team or anyone that is close to them to reach out to us (because it is much harder for us to reach you) and especially to the people like  allyouracid who have concrete solution to problems. So please consider this and let us move forward together.

Boestin,

Dasource seems to be open to it - according to yesterday's IRC screenshot. He has doubts that this person might engage in acts that would profit himself. That's why we would need to set up somekind of security system. To have a trusted member of the community - elected by vote, and then if he is the real deal - we might ask him to put a certain amount of his CLOAK or BTC into a third party account that would be given back to him after his tenure. This way we would be sure that he would not dare to do anything against the community and profit himself.

Totally agree on this. 

But the main question is:  Will the devs "allow" project management including a project manager?

Again, it's up to Alty or Dasource I think.

Anyone?

So that's two thing a few of us seem to agree on Redmine (project management software) and PR Manager, I guess it's up to the Devs to take the feedback onboard

Absolutely spot on. You only see devs posting daily with shit and scamcoins. The lack of communication here just goes to reinforce the fact that CLOAK devs are the real deal - but we definitely need a PR Manager to mediate between community and devs. This is the best solution.

Absolutely spot on. You only see devs posting daily with shit and scamcoins. The lack of communication here just goes to reinforce the fact that CLOAK devs are the real deal - but we definitely need a PR Manager to mediate between community and devs. This is the best solution.

I disagree that devs should be worrying about PR and posting daily that would be a very bad idea. Ideas for a PR man to mediate announcements is a great idea.  If devs posted daily you will panic sell and let greed overcome your rational mind which is already happening too much. Good PR is way forward

Cheers 

Hi All,

I have been in cloak for a while (currently out of cloak).  I keep seeing all sorts of conjecture about whether the devs are working or not, what alty means, what he his thinking, why he is doing what he is doing, plans for a better method to keep everyone updated, etc.

Here is the thing.  If he just posted daily here, it would take what, 5 minutes of his time.  The fact that he doesn't should concern everyone greatly.  

This isn't fud, and for all of you fud shamers, every question that isnt rah rah buy cloak isnt fud.  There are literally hundreds of alt coins, and valid questions should be embraced, not shouted down.  Not everyone who posts doubts is "trying to get your coins cheap".  They are sometimes trying to warn you with no ulterior motive.  

If you have money invested, you should question everything (and expect the others also invested to do the same)  
  

Hi All,

I have been in cloak for a while (currently out of cloak).  I keep seeing all sorts of conjecture about whether the devs are working or not, what alty means, what he his thinking, why he is doing what he is doing, plans for a better method to keep everyone updated, etc.

Here is the thing.  If he just posted daily here, it would take what, 5 minutes of his time.  The fact that he doesn't should concern everyone greatly.  

This isn't fud, and for all of you fud shamers, every question that isnt rah rah buy cloak isnt fud.  There are literally hundreds of alt coins, and valid questions should be embraced, not shouted down.  Not everyone who posts doubts is "trying to get your coins cheap".  They are sometimes trying to warn you with no ulterior motive.  

If you have money invested, you should question everything (and expect the others also invested to do the same)