Topic: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA - page 80. (Read 1266558 times)
September 10, 2014, 02:41:04 PM
or maybe alty is sorta like an idiot/savant ? great at some things, totally sucks at others ?
September 10, 2014, 02:38:51 PM
Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.
And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
Sorry if I cannot answer to the extent this post deserves - I'm a bit short of time.And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
What you say does make sense. At least, it's what most people holding cloak wish. But there are some inconsistencies: somebody saying that everything looks fine (some days before "The Date", maybe it was yesterday or Monday) MUST have had contact to the developer. How else would he know that everything is in time? He MUST have noticed that a developer (the one of the most important feature) is not available. I have a quite good knowledge of human nature and this looks shady, smells fishy and seems dishonest.
This just keeps me from believing that he is sitting on his PC, coding the crap out of his mind. It's a feeling that has manifested itself.
Maybe you are right, maybe you're not. I just don't know. I'm uncertain (the second letter of FUD - without FUD being the reason for it). For all those still invested in cloak, believing in cloak and for the community altogether, I sincerely hope that you are right.
What are you really saying?
Isnt it obvious? The devs promise an epic release. Update on how great its going. Then through an obscure twitter tweet announce that a core dev actually hasnt been wokring on it for a week... Opppps sorry guys. Then is mia... Like come on are you an adult?
I believe i'm a bit older than you
September 10, 2014, 02:33:23 PM
Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.
And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
Sorry if I cannot answer to the extent this post deserves - I'm a bit short of time.And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
What you say does make sense. At least, it's what most people holding cloak wish. But there are some inconsistencies: somebody saying that everything looks fine (some days before "The Date", maybe it was yesterday or Monday) MUST have had contact to the developer. How else would he know that everything is in time? He MUST have noticed that a developer (the one of the most important feature) is not available. I have a quite good knowledge of human nature and this looks shady, smells fishy and seems dishonest.
This just keeps me from believing that he is sitting on his PC, coding the crap out of his mind. It's a feeling that has manifested itself.
Maybe you are right, maybe you're not. I just don't know. I'm uncertain (the second letter of FUD - without FUD being the reason for it). For all those still invested in cloak, believing in cloak and for the community altogether, I sincerely hope that you are right.
What are you really saying?
Isnt it obvious? The devs promise an epic release. Update on how great its going. Then through an obscure twitter tweet announce that a core dev actually hasnt been wokring on it for a week... Opppps sorry guys. Then is mia... Like come on....
September 10, 2014, 02:21:07 PM
Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.
And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
Sorry if I cannot answer to the extent this post deserves - I'm a bit short of time.And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
What you say does make sense. At least, it's what most people holding cloak wish. But there are some inconsistencies: somebody saying that everything looks fine (some days before "The Date", maybe it was yesterday or Monday) MUST have had contact to the developer. How else would he know that everything is in time? He MUST have noticed that a developer (the one of the most important feature) is not available. I have a quite good knowledge of human nature and this looks shady, smells fishy and seems dishonest.
This just keeps me from believing that he is sitting on his PC, coding the crap out of his mind. It's a feeling that has manifested itself.
Maybe you are right, maybe you're not. I just don't know. I'm uncertain (the second letter of FUD - without FUD being the reason for it). For all those still invested in cloak, believing in cloak and for the community altogether, I sincerely hope that you are right.
What are you really saying?
September 10, 2014, 02:19:50 PM
Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.
And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
Sorry if I cannot answer to the extent this post deserves - I'm a bit short of time.And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
What you say does make sense. At least, it's what most people holding cloak wish. But there are some inconsistencies: somebody saying that everything looks fine (some days before "The Date", maybe it was yesterday or Monday) MUST have had contact to the developer. How else would he know that everything is in time? He MUST have noticed that a developer (the one of the most important feature) is not available. I have a quite good knowledge of human nature and this looks shady, smells fishy and seems dishonest.
This just keeps me from believing that he is sitting on his PC, coding the crap out of his mind. It's a feeling that has manifested itself.
Maybe you are right, maybe you're not. I just don't know. I'm uncertain (the second letter of FUD - without FUD being the reason for it). For all those still invested in cloak, believing in cloak and for the community altogether, I sincerely hope that you are right.
The sheer level of incompetence that would be required for that is astronomical, and thus the only logical conclusion a rational actor can make is that he was simply lying &/or mis-representing facts. Either way, his word and the value it carries are now trash, along with cloak.
September 10, 2014, 02:12:26 PM
Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.
And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
Sorry if I cannot answer to the extent this post deserves - I'm a bit short of time.And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
What you say does make sense. At least, it's what most people holding cloak wish. But there are some inconsistencies: somebody saying that everything looks fine (some days before "The Date", maybe it was yesterday or Monday) MUST have had contact to the developer. How else would he know that everything is in time? He MUST have noticed that a developer (the one of the most important feature) is not available. I have a quite good knowledge of human nature and this looks shady, smells fishy and seems dishonest.
This just keeps me from believing that he is sitting on his PC, coding the crap out of his mind. It's a feeling that has manifested itself.
Maybe you are right, maybe you're not. I just don't know. I'm uncertain (the second letter of FUD - without FUD being the reason for it). For all those still invested in cloak, believing in cloak and for the community altogether, I sincerely hope that you are right.
September 10, 2014, 02:10:55 PM
Nope.
Different style, same person. Same goal ;-)
2nd thing: Bobsurplus = Alty
Different style, same person. Same goal ;-)
2nd thing: Bobsurplus = Alty
Cloakko, you never cease to amaze me, your visuals are always on point ahahaha.
That being said, I am sad you are out. You are the last person I would have suspected
September 10, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
Nope.
Different style, same person. Same goal ;-)
2nd thing: Bobsurplus = Alty
Different style, same person. Same goal ;-)
2nd thing: Bobsurplus = Alty
Nice story. Don't believe all the crap that somebody tells you per PM.
September 10, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Welp, since my last Buy order at 30k filled, i'll put another 2BTC down there and see how that does.
September 10, 2014, 01:33:37 PM
At this point I don't care what the Cloak team releases, I'm not buying back in.
Yes, we are very dispointed about Cloak and Team....
September 10, 2014, 01:31:34 PM
At this point I don't care what the Cloak team releases, I'm not buying back in.
September 10, 2014, 01:27:04 PM
If the devs release a new ETA I think an under promise over deliver mentality is best, give themselves extra time for any hiccups and if they deliver early everyone is happy.
You gotta be kidding me. They should stay away from giving ETAs in order to avoid disasters such as the one we saw today.
I disagree an ETA is a good thing it will add stability. They shouldn't stay away just factor in time for things going wrong. Under-Promise Over-Deliver.
People just need to chill out and keep calm a few days is nothing, if you think cloak is a scam sell if not buy.
September 10, 2014, 01:25:42 PM
Maybe I found out some stuf, dude.
1st thing: YourMother = Bobsurplus
1st thing: YourMother = Bobsurplus
i really doubt that bob speaks english, yomama grunts and HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
September 10, 2014, 01:21:51 PM
Already turn to hater?
September 10, 2014, 01:02:05 PM
Where is the one market ?
There.Is.No.Such.Thing.There wasn't, there hasn't been, there isn't, there won't be and there won't have been anything called "OneMarket".
Or, to say it with some altered form of community's members' words: mark my words and you'll cry later.
Finally, I turned into a cynicist. Hope this condition passes as time goes by.
I think it is just a delay, very common in the programming world.
But you can draw your own conclusions.
To me, it's just a feeling: we have announcements, nice PDFs but where are the things that are listed on those PDFs? Does anyone even know what half of the features there are supposed to be? At the moment, they are just pastime for guessing funny acronyms. Everything gets delayed, we hear that something will come without anyone even knowing what that is supposed to be (besides OneMarket).
Just think about it. In the last two months, couldn't it maybe be possible that there wasn't anything being developed on cloak? Regarding everything we got, was there anything, any sneek peek to what's being developed? Has anybody ever seen any development in the past weeks? I mean, not just heard about it?
Maybe I'm wrong (I would be glad to be wrong [see, YourMother: no problem admitting being wrong]), but to me it could also be likely that this coin is just being used to produce some money by releasing news from time to time. Nice and easy income, rinse and repeat.
Still, I hope I'm wrong.
PoSA exists. There were the testings. There were the differences between MrRGnome and the team but even if he was very disappointed, he also confirmed that it's all there. This is absolutely no Scam. If it would be one, they would have announced a passed audit, than sold .....and away.
The problem is: There are delays. It's not the first one. But, even this I don't see as a big problem if there is communication. And in the first time there was a lot of communication and explanation. But now... one Tweet. That's all. And T H A T , for me, is the biggest problem and it threatens the whole project, because it looks fishy. Some think they are gone. Others think they could intend a price-drop to buy before the release and so on.
I personally think: They are under a lot of pressure and they don't know how to handle it. They don't want questions and they don't want to answer these questions. Therefore they avoid communicative ways like IRC or Forum. But I also think: There will be a release.
You are right. PoSA does exits - it is real. It was audited by a third party - the audit didn't fulfill everybody's wish list 100% and then the coin went down big time.
If devs were con men, as some are saying why on earth would they request an audit by the third party and then post the result - even though they knew the ramifications of it.
We can accuse Alty and devs for doing many thing badly but one thing cannot be denied - they were totally honest - I mean 100% brutal honesty -and this is of course going to have an effect on the price.
Scamcoin devs spend all day posting on btctalk and twitter - CLOAK devs rarely post anything. Why? Perhaps they are indeed really busy and under immense pressure. We are not talking about some mambo-jumbo here - they have to deliver the Holy Grail - and it might take weeks, months or it might never happen. The future is unwritten.
Hope you have all cooled down a bit after this new shock - it's been almost 24 hours. Let's move on, those of us who have stayed in are all in, because there is no turning back now - and we know it.
I hope is OK I give you an outsider perspective on this. When you promise something will be delivered on a certain time frame when the due date finally comes you need an excuse to get out of the situation. The first time this happened was with that audit that no one saw or knew it was taking place ahead of time. So it is simple you create an expectation that moves the market, everybody thinks they are buying the rumour to sell the news, but before the due date comes they release a new piece of information that prevents them from actually having to deliver something concrete. That right there was your cue that something was terribly wrong.
Then after that, they promise several systems that will be delivered in about 10 days, how is that humanly possible? Have you ever worked on a real life project that was released in 10 days and was complete and successful? They drive the market again, and the day before the due date again they come up with an excuse. No main developer for 5 days etc, this is highly irresponsible but some people still support this behaviour. It is baffling. Anyway, on your next investment ask for better warranties that your are investing into something legitimate, investments shouldn’t rely on trust, as little as possible, even with people you meet in person, even more on the internet.
The fact that you are left here wondering about what happened and even now no one cares to give you a clear explanation, long time supporters having to come up with conspiracy theories because no one cares is just a shame.
Cloak is a scam.
September 10, 2014, 12:56:49 PM
I agree with both your points and everything has a silver lining. Maybe they are relentlessly coding/beta testing to release perfected features because a lot of what they've done up to this point has been the opposite of blatant scamming. Maybe that's the point, maybe it's not.
The only discouraging sign for me is the lack of ANY communication, uniformity, and consideration for the community/investors. It was here for the first 3mths and has since subsided. That speaks volumes and some communication this week by Dagger is vital because he, ALONE, set the standard. It doesn't take much to restore hope/confidence unless there is nothing to be hopeful/confident for.
September 10, 2014, 12:53:09 PM
3 BTC buy order on 32K.
September 10, 2014, 12:48:31 PM
Has the dev posted anything yet?
Totally and he says that you are rich bro. Good Job! September 10, 2014, 12:46:07 PM
Where is the one market ?
There.Is.No.Such.Thing.There wasn't, there hasn't been, there isn't, there won't be and there won't have been anything called "OneMarket".
Or, to say it with some altered form of community's members' words: mark my words and you'll cry later.
Finally, I turned into a cynicist. Hope this condition passes as time goes by.
I think it is just a delay, very common in the programming world.
But you can draw your own conclusions.
To me, it's just a feeling: we have announcements, nice PDFs but where are the things that are listed on those PDFs? Does anyone even know what half of the features there are supposed to be? At the moment, they are just pastime for guessing funny acronyms. Everything gets delayed, we hear that something will come without anyone even knowing what that is supposed to be (besides OneMarket).
Just think about it. In the last two months, couldn't it maybe be possible that there wasn't anything being developed on cloak? Regarding everything we got, was there anything, any sneek peek to what's being developed? Has anybody ever seen any development in the past weeks? I mean, not just heard about it?
Maybe I'm wrong (I would be glad to be wrong [see, YourMother: no problem admitting being wrong]), but to me it could also be likely that this coin is just being used to produce some money by releasing news from time to time. Nice and easy income, rinse and repeat.
Still, I hope I'm wrong.
PoSA exists. There were the testings. There were the differences between MrRGnome and the team but even if he was very disappointed, he also confirmed that it's all there. This is absolutely no Scam. If it would be one, they would have announced a passed audit, than sold .....and away.
The problem is: There are delays. It's not the first one. But, even this I don't see as a big problem if there is communication. And in the first time there was a lot of communication and explanation. But now... one Tweet. That's all. And T H A T , for me, is the biggest problem and it threatens the whole project, because it looks fishy. Some think they are gone. Others think they could intend a price-drop to buy before the release and so on.
I personally think: They are under a lot of pressure and they don't know how to handle it. They don't want questions and they don't want to answer these questions. Therefore they avoid communicative ways like IRC or Forum. But I also think: There will be a release.
Next, I know PoSA exists. I'm talking about events which took place after the famous audit.
If they are under pressure, that would mean they work hard because they care about their product. Caring about a product in cryptoworld means that it should be used because the price reflects its state in the community. So it would be very important to get this PR thing done (maybe by asking someone else to do it), because this kind of "PR" (also related to this forum, clowns like YourMother etc just don't work for PR) totally destroys the coin. I doubt they don't know that.
So if they decide to not care about PR, they might not care much about cloaks image, place in the community etc. And a product I don't care about... I wouldn't invest time in development.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say? This whole thing I mentioned earlier, plus the PR, leave the impression that the coin is just a means to an end. Not for the community, of course.
Again, I hope I'm wrong.
Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.
And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
September 10, 2014, 12:41:30 PM
Has the dev posted anything yet?
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