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Topic: [ANN] Coinapult - send Bitcoin over email or SMS in seconds - page 2. (Read 10316 times)

legendary
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Tried your service, sent this transaction:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/4016365/bcb8eae372b9be07f424cf364f033d6827f254a06fc39a07875ad7f8d9b205f7

No email, it's not in my spam folder.  Are you doing manual approval or something?

notme, you've been PMed.

thanks for the quick resolution
sr. member
Activity: 316
Merit: 250
Tried your service, sent this transaction:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/4016365/bcb8eae372b9be07f424cf364f033d6827f254a06fc39a07875ad7f8d9b205f7

No email, it's not in my spam folder.  Are you doing manual approval or something?

notme, you've been PMed.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
I just got turned on Amazon SES sending, which seems to have resolve the spam issue. Please let me know if any messages from now on get flagged as spam. Thanks!

Tried your service, sent this transaction:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/4016365/bcb8eae372b9be07f424cf364f033d6827f254a06fc39a07875ad7f8d9b205f7

No email, it's not in my spam folder.  Are you doing manual approval or something?
sr. member
Activity: 316
Merit: 250
I just got turned on Amazon SES sending, which seems to have resolve the spam issue. Please let me know if any messages from now on get flagged as spam. Thanks!
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 522
We were actually thinking of developing something similar, sort of paypal-for-bitcoin. After all this is how paypal got its initial base, back in 2001 or whatever. Not as much for the money, more of a public service, to help the spread of bitcoins.

Since you made the first move, you get the domain bought for this purpose (bitpal.us) free of charge (you will need a namecheap account). Pm me for the push.
Best of luck to you.
sr. member
Activity: 316
Merit: 250
After much poking with SPF and DKIM, I realized it is much easier and more trustworthy to allow a third party to send out our emails. As such, I created an Amazon SES account, and am in the process of integrating it. Should be up later today, and resolve the spam filter issue once and for all.

SPF and DKIM are difficult?

SPF is only an entry in your DNS settings. DKIM is also easy to integrate if you use exim on your server to process the emails. I should also tell you that it won't resolve your inboxing problems.
Only email content and maybe $100k paid anualy to certain companies will resolve your inboxing problems. But only on hotmail and yahoo. In regards to gmail you are SOL...

Actually, the issue I've been having with DKIM is a bug in my hosting account. When I submit the DKIM entry into the DNS system they provide, it escapes some characters, rendering it invalid. I'm sure they could fix this if I contacted them, but I found a better solution anyway. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1470
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Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952
After much poking with SPF and DKIM, I realized it is much easier and more trustworthy to allow a third party to send out our emails. As such, I created an Amazon SES account, and am in the process of integrating it. Should be up later today, and resolve the spam filter issue once and for all.

SPF and DKIM are difficult?

Kind of, yes.
It took me 2 days to configure DKIM + SPF on one server (3 domains). Of course, I am not the best sysadmin, still learning.

Theoretically it is easy, but when it comes to practice, there are A LOT of ways in which it can go wrong, believe me.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
After much poking with SPF and DKIM, I realized it is much easier and more trustworthy to allow a third party to send out our emails. As such, I created an Amazon SES account, and am in the process of integrating it. Should be up later today, and resolve the spam filter issue once and for all.

SPF and DKIM are difficult?

SPF is only an entry in your DNS settings. DKIM is also easy to integrate if you use exim on your server to process the emails. I should also tell you that it won't resolve your inboxing problems.
Only email content and maybe $100k paid anualy to certain companies will resolve your inboxing problems. But only on hotmail and yahoo. In regards to gmail you are SOL...
rjk
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
1ngldh
After much poking with SPF and DKIM, I realized it is much easier and more trustworthy to allow a third party to send out our emails. As such, I created an Amazon SES account, and am in the process of integrating it. Should be up later today, and resolve the spam filter issue once and for all.
SES sounds cool on the surface, but it is complicated to work with. I like http://sendgrid.com/ - although it is meant for bulk mailers and things, you can use it for most any email that you want your servers to send, and they will take care of reputation management and such things. You will need to play with SPF and DKIM when using it, but it is much nicer to live with.
sr. member
Activity: 316
Merit: 250
After much poking with SPF and DKIM, I realized it is much easier and more trustworthy to allow a third party to send out our emails. As such, I created an Amazon SES account, and am in the process of integrating it. Should be up later today, and resolve the spam filter issue once and for all.
hero member
Activity: 815
Merit: 1000
Did this myself manually, its a bit of a hassle copying .dat files, but not overly so.

(Compare to going shopping for some present)

This also meant I had complete control of the encryption process and made sure everything was safe.


Coinapult is still great, we need more like that, perhaps a program you could run offline on your computer?
legendary
Activity: 4542
Merit: 3393
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Honestly, I hadn't considered PGP support, because so few people use it. Now that you mention it, though, it might not be too hard to implement. Say:

1. received email address
2. checked for public key associated with it
3. if found, sign the message before sending

I'll look into it a bit more. Right now, though, I don't see any downside to such an arrangement.

Searching for public keys by email address is not reliable, as some people don't (and in some cases don't want to) have their public key on a keysever. Also, most keyservers don't verify keys, so it's all too easy for someone to upload a bogus key to the keyserver to prevent people from being able to receive their bitcoins (or steal the bitcoins, if they have access to the recipient's email). A better idea is to allow public key files to uploaded or copy/pasted, and/or specified by URL.

Also, I think you mean encrypt the message before sending. Signing it won't achieve anything. Wink
sr. member
Activity: 316
Merit: 250
Honestly, I hadn't considered PGP support, because so few people use it. Now that you mention it, though, it might not be too hard to implement. Say:

1. received email address
2. checked for public key associated with it
3. if found, sign the message before sending

I'll look into it a bit more. Right now, though, I don't see any downside to such an arrangement.

The reason I might use Coinapult is likely because the person isn't technical.  PGP is still mostly only for those who are technical.

Maybe do risk assessment.  Sending amounts over 2 BTC or something like that provides a warning to the sender that warns about the potential risk of loss.

I like this idea a lot. I have thought a lot about the security of the system, and think this is a good bit of transparency.

I've modified the email text a bit, to make it more user friendly. Thanks Foxpup for the suggestions!
legendary
Activity: 2506
Merit: 1010
Honestly, I hadn't considered PGP support, because so few people use it. Now that you mention it, though, it might not be too hard to implement. Say:

1. received email address
2. checked for public key associated with it
3. if found, sign the message before sending

I'll look into it a bit more. Right now, though, I don't see any downside to such an arrangement.

The reason a person might use Coinapult is likely because the person isn't technical.  PGP is still mostly only for those who are technical.

Maybe do risk assessment.  Sending amounts over 2 BTC or something like that provides a warning to the sender that warns about the potential risk of loss.
sr. member
Activity: 316
Merit: 250
note :
on arrival it came into my gmail spam folder

Lately almost everything lands in gmail spam folder.
Their spam filters became crazy.

PS.
@Coinapult author
So what about PGP support ? Is it planned at least ?

Honestly, I hadn't considered PGP support, because so few people use it. Now that you mention it, though, it might not be too hard to implement. Say:

1. received email address
2. checked for public key associated with it
3. if found, sign the message before sending

I'll look into it a bit more. Right now, though, I don't see any downside to such an arrangement.
donator
Activity: 4760
Merit: 4323
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
This sounds like a great service.  I hope it helps get some new people involved in Bitcoin.  Good work!
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1006
Bringing Legendary Har® to you since 1952
note :
on arrival it came into my gmail spam folder

Lately almost everything lands in gmail spam folder.
Their spam filters became crazy.

PS.
@Coinapult author
So what about PGP support ? Is it planned at least ?
hero member
Activity: 530
Merit: 500
nice service Smiley

i received some and sent it back

Funds sent. Transaction ID:
4d437d4661598db0de15d946f1f295a7ce360e2be0c5fc89cff6324589a1c327

it was so easy

note :
on arrival it came into my gmail spam folder
sr. member
Activity: 316
Merit: 250
Thanks for all of the feedback! There is far to much to respond to individually here, but I'll address some of the more salient points and consider the rest carefully.

Regarding consistency of wording on the site and in emails, it certainly isn't perfect. We may lighten up on the catapult terminology to avoid confusion. There were a lot of other good suggestions we'll take into account.

On confirmations, the transaction server waits until there are enough funds in the account with 2 confirmations to allow sending. It may not be the exact funds you sent. It may be part of the buffer we keep in there to avoid delays. It may be older funds that have simply been sitting. In this way, there is a 1:1 relationship between incoming and outgoing funds, but access is maximized. This also makes Coinapult a very basic mixer.

On email security, this is an issue. Email is almost always insecure. I can allow PGP mail, with modest effort, but only a small percentage of people would be able to use it. I'm open to suggestions on how to improve the email security, but the goal of Coinapult is usability. As has been noted, those who are ultra security conscious, or have need to move large amounts of funds, have other means of doing so. bitaddress.org and an encrypted email is one reasonable solution. Try getting grandma to open it, though. Smiley Last, on this subject, DKIM is a great idea.

legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1023
Democracy is the original 51% attack
Sorry to be a downer, but it is pretty easy to send someone bitcoins in email.

Go to https://www.bitaddress.org/
and generate an address. Fund it with whatever you want, and send the private key to the recipient.

If a year rolls by and the person never uses the bitcoin, they can be "reclaimed" by just importing the PK into your wallet.

Be sure to tell them that you will do that otherwise you might get an angry email.

To someone who is new to Bitcoin, the above may as well be latin.

One could always email a wallet file to someone, but Coinapult is a service for normal people Wink
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