Topic: [ANN] CRYPTO MINING GAME, Earn Satoshi, Doge and Litoshi by playing to mine - page 44. (Read 83664 times)

Hi Jamboom

I sent a pm and you answered me with this message: https://ibb.co/XCmCx5x

''Hi Alya,

I've investigate more your account.

You have done 12218 exchanges since June, 2019, which clearly demonstrates that your exclusively use the market place as a trading platform with is highly prohibited. CMG is a game, not a trading platform.

Also, I still can't figure out how you have been able to generate such amount of Crypto in CMG in so little time, if not by playing on the market rates, still like you can do in a trading platform.

Anyway, I could tell that I have also responsibilities in that situation because Market Place has been a huge, huge place of cheaters of every kind... And indeed that's why it has finally been disabled.

So...

I can enable back your account if you send me your ingame email (the email you've used to subscribe). Also all your exchanges has been automatically cancelled and still all your balances resetted.

I can set back your account to 1000 Hpower with premium status, 5000 Crystals and 10000 CryptoCoinz. You keep your current level.

Also about your last pending withdraw. I can't accept to send you that amount. But as I think I might be partially responsible, I can send you the half, so 250000.

Please answer me with all the required info and agreements.

One last thing : Please don't remember that CMG is a game. I'm currently trying to remove these f$%ing Pop Ads to improve the player's experience and this kind of usage definitively don't help me improve the game, it's just leading to game destruction if I do nothing...
Best regards,

Jam''

Lets talk about your answer:

1-) You say ‘’Which clearly demonstrates that your exclusively use the market place as a trading platform with is highly prohibited’’.

I say ‘’Is that so? Is there anybody who knows this rule? Most of the people in the marketplace use it as a trading platform. So, will you ban all of their accounts?’’

2-) You say ‘’I still can't figure out how you have been able to generate such amount of Crypto in CMG in so little time, if not by playing on the market rates, still like you can do in a trading platform.’’

I say ‘’It is just simple math. I made nearly 10.000 successful trade and when I make 100 satoshis profit from 1 trade on average then totally I make 1.000.000 satoshis profit from 10.000 trades. Moreover, some of my 1 trade end up with 5.000 satoshis profit. For example; many times I sell 1.500.000 litoshis for 20.000 satoshis. I buy 1.500.000 litoshis for 15.000 satoshis and I make a profit 5.000 satoshis in 1 trade’’

3-) You say ‘’Also all your exchanges has been automatically cancelled and still all your balances resetted.’’

I say ‘’ My game balance has nearly 50.000 SATOSHI, 1500 DOGE, 3.000.000 LITOSHI, 300.000 DASH, 1.500.000 ETHER, 200.000 BCH, 300 POTCOIN, 50 PEERCOIN, 200.000 CRYSTALS and many silver and gold chests with my pending offers. I don’t know the exact amount of my game balance but these numbers are nearly true. Then, you say me I will reset all of these coins. These coins may be worth of 500.000 satoshis. Namely, you say me I will reset your 500.000 satoshis, although there is no evidence for using bot or any other suspected methods. Is it fair?’’

4-) You say ‘’Also about your last pending withdraw. I can't accept to send you that amount. But as I think I might be partially responsible, I can send you the half, so 250.000.’’

I say ‘’I have also 500.000 satoshis pending withdrawal except from my coin which is in the game balance. You say me ‘’I cannot give you all of these 500.000 satoshis. There is no rational reason for it but I can give  you only half of it (250.000 satoshis).’’ Is it rational?’’

In conclusion, my account has nearly 1.000.000 satoshis totally. 500.000 sat of it is pending withdrawal, the other 500.000 sat which is seperated as other coins, is in game balance. You say me that ‘’I can only give you the quarter of it (250.000 sat). The rest 750.000 sat is mine. There is no rational evidence for it but I cannot give you the rest 750.000 sat’’

Is it fair? Is it rational?

Best

I definitively agree with you and I've certainly made a mistake.
Thanks for sharing your thougths, I'm in PM with alya about the issue also.
Have a nice end of day,
Jam

@Thomasio

Think Jamboom made a mistake,
i reported 100 exchanges and maby Alya aka Maholtan was into that range of 100 bot accounts,
i did not look all those 100 bot exchanges.

I already send a message to jamboom before you posted Your message ... we are all humans, so also Jamboom can make a mistake:)
I hope for Alya Jamboom can reverse this action without any losses for Alya

@Jamboom
Not sure if it helps you any, but I know this user, not for real but from seeing the name in the marketplace.
He's one of those using the marketplace like a trading platform, offering trading pairs for a spread, not sure whether you'd consider that abuse, but there's literally no way this could be a  bot, because he's adjusting the pairs he trades in such fine adjustments (as in reacting to other users offers) that no bot could do that.

Either way, here's my 5 cents about the "abuse" part.
I believe for a good part the site itself causes the abuse, because it opens the opportunity in the first place, let me explain why.

Your withdrawal minimum for LTC is (converted to US$ at todays price) roughly $0.30
Your withdrawal minimum for BTC is (converted to US$ at todays price) roughly $4.00

where your site pays an average user roughly $1 a month, meaning in LTC one can get to payout in about 10 days, while in BTC it takes about 4 months.
This obviously leads to a gigantic demand for LTC, because 99% of all users don't stay on your site for 4 months, but quite a few users stay about 10 days, meaning they want to sell everything (cards, crystals, etc.) and trade all other coins to LTC, so they can take a withdrawal before they leave.
Now for one the option to trade with other users highly increases the withdrawal requests, simply because more users reach the minimum before leaving, for two this opens a real profitable trading opportunity for long term users, where selling LTC for BTC can fetch roughly 50% profit, which is so much profit that users like alya can offer trades the other way around at a 25% loss and still turn a profit.
Users like me, who are frequently too lazy to setup an own exchange offer sell LTC to users like alya and new users buy from alya ...... doesn't require a bot, just plain logic and a bit of understanding for how trading works.

About the same thing happens with trades for crystals and cards.
Only new users in their first week or so need more crystals than they get from missions, latest from level 15 on active users find more crystals than they need.
Your boost section charges extremely overexaggerated prices for crystals and cards, i.e. you ask 8,000sat for 1,000 crystals (plus a chest), while crystals are entirely worthless for long term users, meaning they sell them in the market for roughly 100 sat per 1,000 crystals, which turns out to be what new users are willing to pay.
You charge 2500 sat for 100 bronze or 50 silver or 25 gold cards, while the price in the marketplace is somewhere around 50 sat for these cards.

In short, I would agree, the marketplace shouldn't be a trading platform where users make money by trading for a spread, but it's up to you Jamboom to change that, not by banning active users, but by equalizing withdrawal minimums and adjusting prices in the boost section.
Remember many, many pages ago, when you first announced this marketplace? When I doubted you would allow users to freely set prices?
Well, THIS is why I had my doubts, I just couldn't imagine you'd make obvious to new users how overpriced your boost section is.

Hi again

I never use bots or any other suspected methods. I just made exchange in the market section. I made a lot of order on many pairs (doge/satoshi, chest/satoshi, litoshi/satoshi, peercoin/litoshi, crystal/chest .. etc) Is this an abuse of CMG or bot usage evidence? Many players in the market section knows me and my offers. I am a real player and didn't use any bots.

I also sent a pm.

Best

Hi,
Your account has been detected as abuse of CMG and bot usages suspected.
You Can contact me by PM if you want more details.
Regards

Hi Jamboom

My account is disabled today. What is the reason of this action?
 
Username: alya

Many years ago, gambling sites gave $25 up to $200 free without any to pay in.
Only requerement to payout was You had to play 2 times the free amount with that free $$$
When You got a little luck, some wins over 1 million US dollars, i won always small amounts.

When the free $$$ were used up without enough prices or when got a price enough to payout, payout .. sign of and signup again with another email, worked always, even on the same bankaccount:)

I never paid a single dime to gambling websites.

were good old times

Not long ago some other faucet had a promotion for a signup somewhere, that actually paid 5,000 sat just for the signup.
Apparently the site has bet that from the total of users signing up a sufficient amount would later on use the site.
The same faucet also had a promotion that paid 650,000 sat for a signup that required a 10 EUR deposit, meaning one had a net gain of about $50 (yes, I did get that paid and was able to withdraw it to my wallet).
So it's not impossible that such a promotion can exist, it's just that without ANY information about requirements, let alone clear ones, I hesitate doing a wild signup on a gambling site, especially while the banners CMG now has all over the place lead to the very same link without promising 10,000 sat.

I never bothered cheating anywhere, therefore I don't even know how one could.
I also see faucets as a hobby, not because I make money elsewhere, but because I don't need any money, I'm retired and have my finances secured.

But then, I see faucets as a hobby that pays me a little pocket change, therefore I do not only not become a patron for a price higher than what the faucet pays, I also don't use faucets where the electricity of running my computer exceeds the value they pay.
When I got started with faucets, having tons of spare time, I claimed from 100 faucets in parallel, until I discovered how useless that is.
Over the last year I've dropped almost all faucets I used to claim from, CMG is (for a reason I'm not even sure of) the very last low paying faucet I still use, where by now the electricity my computer costs already exceeds the value CMG pays.
I've been close to dropping CMG a few times in the past, basically every time an "update" resulted in a cut of payout and I'm still not sure why I sticked to it, but I can tell you, if V2 becomes what I expect it to become, which is a 50% cut in virtual mining reward due to all HP over 1000 moved to a token, I'll be out.
If CMG becomes a P2P gaming site, where the only way to make money is to combat other players, I'll be out even faster.

As a user I simply don't care how a site handles cheaters, I've been victim of a false positive cheat detection myself, where a site had an auto-refresh in their page and then banned me for the reason that I was doing so many page refreshes that only a bot would do that, while all I did was keeping the site open all day.
If I see an obvious cheat, yea, I'll report them as well, but for the question whether or not I keep claiming from a faucet the amount of cheating going on on that faucet is none of my concerns.
I'm always willing to give site owners my point of view and I have a few ideas of how to reduce cheating, but in the end my point of view is just the point of view of a regular user.


Change of topic ...... here's a question regarding todays promotion.
The offer for 10,000 sat for a signup on that gambling site doesn't say anything about requirements.
Will one get 10,000 sat just for a signup without deposit, or only after one has gambled for a given amount of money?

I know Thomas,

i know many methodes to cheat websites and they shall never know it , but .... i don't
I don't need to earn much or less, it's a hobby for me .. what i pay for being patron i never can earn back on CMG.
I make my real money the easy way with antminers and RIGs.

Because i sometimes report cheaters into chats, a lot people from the past years are angry about that and try to damage me ...
i don't bother, also that's a hobby for me to take them down when they try to come in to my home network, or damage their pc's/laptops they cannot use them anymore (goes al automatic when somebody comes into my network and try to open something... just the same as a baseball bat behind the front door -:o)

I told before, there wil be always cheaters and You cannot whipe them out all
but when members report them when they see something strange, at the end those reporting and honest members get more back for their activities.

trying with all sorts of strict rules and software to keep cheaters out of the way can, just like in politics, quickly turn to the wrong side, so that honest members stay away or become inactive.

Example, my faucethub account was frozen about 6 weeks ago, after some research from both sides it turned out that the owner of claimbtc.in had configured his autofaucet the rong way as a manual faucet.
Proof that this was the case was easy to find, the payouts to faucethub was 500 LTC sats per 15 minutes and no other option on this faucet had this allowance.
Yet the admins of faucethub suggested that even though they did not blame it for me * we never unfrown accounts manually *

Now 3 days ago through the chat of allcoins.pw I met a mod from faucethub who found it unheard of and passed it on to the owner of faucethub and the head of the admins.
I'm still waiting for an answer, but don't expect faucethub will unfrozen my account.

There's another problem, when an account is frozen, the software automatically sends all coins in the account back to the websites where it is earned ... so also to the owner of Claimbtc.in who is guilty of the error got my honest earned coins back !!!!!

And that is what I mean by * making rules too strict without human influence, so let software decide everything *
They just went too far at faucethub to try to keep the real cheaters out, and in principle the anti-cheat software is always right there.(they tell me, even with proof it was incorrect)

Less than 26,000 members active on faucethub every day and now, according to the stats of the last 2 weeks, nearly 11,000 members have frozen their account, is not in comparison with reality.
Anyone can check that themselves on the anti-fraud page of faucethub.

So what does faucethub now have to deal with?
Yes, honest members who have their account frozen, want to punish faucet hub in any way.
So the server gets overloaded, a lower maximum payout per day had to be set for the connected faucet owners, and that will eventually lead to being doomed to fail.

So I always tell website owners, be careful not to set unorthodox and/or strict rules, so that existing members leave and new members no longer register.

in the real world we also see that it does not help at all to secure everything with cameras, hire security services etc. ......
The real thieves still steal even under the supervision of cameras.

The best way to catch cheaters is that other members report them ... when the frontdoor is closed, cheaters come into the backdoor and not a single owner can prevent that for 100%.

It's as logic as it gets, isn't it?
The amount of fraud on crypto sites is some kind of stable (very high) level, but the amount of regular users is relative to the amount a site pays.
Therefore extremely low paying sites will always have 99% cheaters, while higher paying sites have "only" 90% cheaters, not because there would be less cheaters upon higher pay, but because there are less regular users on low paying sites.

If a site then lowers pay for all users just to stay ahead with their profit over their payouts it becomes an exponentially increasing problem, where ever more regular users leave and the relation between regular users and cheaters becomes ever worse.
Regular users who see their pay lowered and/or get exaggerated amounts of popups do not "thank" the cheaters as one of the articles in the news suggested, they leave.

Each cheating user signup 100 accounts Pyrros,
and running all 100 accounts simulairy 24/7
Do You know how much such users eat away from the honest users?

A month ago it was 300 accounts , the month before 200 ... be happy some users report those cheaters when they setup 100 (fake)exchanges within 2 minutes

Simply because when some are banned, some others are coming. I'm working on it. Regards

Hi All,
Unfortunately we had to temporary disabled the Market place because some cheaters abuse of it and use it very very badly... Sorry that you have to suffer of just some users bullshit...
Many Bot users have been banned. You should not be part of it, but if your account has been banned and think it's a mistake, please contact me as private message.
Anyway, System will be quite more secure and fair with CMG V2 coming next month.
Best regards to all!
Jamboom

I will release a Youtube video specially about the cards and all there future applications from CMG V2 but yes,
Several games in a row is a good starting point

I suggest the admin to redeem all the crypto on the market for game items (crystals, goldcoins, cards, chests), so you remove the excess crypto from the game and equalize the balance. And probably payments will then be faster

I've updated the Ads code,is that better? If not I will contact them.
Anyway, I wish I could remove this Pop Ads as soon as possible...
Have a nice sunday all!

Yep.  Best of all though, on mobile devices they fill up the whole page and can't be closed!