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Topic: [ANN] Cypherock X1 - Hardware based Wallet Aggregator for your Crypto (Read 358 times)

legendary
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You are free to use it and verify with your own eyes what is written in the code base. Anyone can share their feedback with the developers if they want to, regardless if the code is open-source or not.
It should also be viewed through the eyes of non-technical users, who cannot do any verification themselves, but accept verification through any means. There are more and more people who look at the hardware wallet as just another device, refrigerator, TV, router... I would not ignore the number of those who will buy HW in a random shop, sometimes only on the basis of physical appearance.
legendary
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If the end-user is concerned with the code and what it's doing and knows how to read and understand it, a software that is source verifiable will do the job. It doesn't respect the open-source ethos, but the reasons why that company and/or its developers decided to do that shouldn't be the end-users concern. You are free to use it and verify with your own eyes what is written in the code base. Anyone can share their feedback with the developers if they want to, regardless if the code is open-source or not.
legendary
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Did you make any changes for Cypherock license?

It is the same as before. Frankly speaking, most normies don't get the difference between verifiable source and open source.

After careful scrutiny, Cypherock X1 got listed on the official Bitcoin.org website - https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/?platform=hardware&step=5

At a lot of us who know the difference between verifiable source and open source really don't care. You want open go for open, you only care that it's verifiable / reproducible that's fine too.

We will have world peace before we get people to agree on things like that.

Some people think it's a big deal, others do not.

To me if you DEMAND open source then do it yourself.

If I create something and I want to get sell it and don't want others using it that is my decision as the person who created it. Just as it's your decision not to use it if you want something different.

But when people start saying (as some have not saying you or anyone in this thread in general just that it has been said) that it's not as secure that's total BS.

-Dave
jr. member
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Did you make any changes for Cypherock license?

It is the same as before. Frankly speaking, most normies don't get the difference between verifiable source and open source.

After careful scrutiny, Cypherock X1 got listed on the official Bitcoin.org website - https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/hardware/?platform=hardware&step=5
legendary
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I remember reading that if an open-source project introduces a Commons Clause license, the change has no affect on anything they developed and released in the past. So, let's say a piece of software becomes CC with version 2.0, all releases older than that (1.9 and below) remain open-source. The question now is, when was the CC license added, and from which version (and going forward) should the Cypherock X1 be considered a product with a verifiable source instead of open-source? 
legendary
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1. It is open-source - https://github.com/cypherock.
Did you make any changes for Cypherock license?
I can see on github it is combination of MIT and common clause, and CC is NOT open source license!
https://github.com/Cypherock/x1_wallet_firmware/blob/main/LICENSE.md

You are also claiming on your website that Cypherock is open source and this is false statement:



You either need to make corrections in github or on your website.
jr. member
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We just announced Cypherock Cover, a non-custodial & non-KYC inheritance-style recovery service for all your Crypto - https://twitter.com/rohanagarwal94/status/1782504675620655176
legendary
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I understand your concern. Support for third party wallets are incoming for Eth with wallets like Frame.sh and Zerion. For Electrum, it will take some more time since we have to port our SDK from JS to Python and support PSBT with HWI. Message signing is also only available for Eth right now.
Let us know when you implement some important changes.
Instead of making Cypherock wallet compatible with Electrum, maybe it's going to be easier and faster to do it with other open source wallets like Sparrow and Specter.
This two wallets are already supporting most hardware wallets and signing devices available in the market, and they are open for cooperation with others:
https://sparrowwallet.com/
https://specter.solutions/desktop/
jr. member
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I am not saying Cypherock X1 wallet is bad, but it really needs to make some improvements to be highest rated hardware wallet on any website.
What is the status of coin control, support for third party wallets, signing message, and other updates?

I understand your concern. Support for third party wallets are incoming for Eth with wallets like Frame.sh and Zerion. For Electrum, it will take some more time since we have to port our SDK from JS to Python and support PSBT with HWI. Message signing is also only available for Eth right now.
legendary
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Cypherock became the highest rated hardware wallet by Coinbureau - https://www.coinbureau.com/review/cypherock-review
Well done, but I don't agree with many of Coinbureau ratings from his reviews.
I am not saying Cypherock X1 wallet is bad, but it really needs to make some improvements to be highest rated hardware wallet on any website.
What is the status of coin control, support for third party wallets, signing message, and other updates?
jr. member
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Cypherock became the highest rated hardware wallet by Coinbureau - https://www.coinbureau.com/review/cypherock-review
legendary
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I highly doubt they are waterproof. They would be water resistant at best.
I don't know exactly waterproof ratings, but credit card wallets are waterproof by design, and if cheap smartphones can be waterproof than I don't know why hardware wallets can have that also.
For example for Ngrave Zero they claim to be IP55-certified, that is resistant to water and dust.
Ellipal have better IP65 rating according to their website, Tangem cards have IP68, etc.
jr. member
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but some hardware wallets are also waterproof (Ngrave, Ellipal, Coolwallet, Tangem, etc).

I highly doubt they are waterproof. They would be water resistant at best.
legendary
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We have not tested this yet and the definition is generally meant for watches. In our case, it means, it protects against accidental splashes of water.
Yeah, it is for watches and for smartphones (they usually have IP67 and IP68 rating), but some hardware wallets are also waterproof (Ngrave, Ellipal, Coolwallet, Tangem, etc).

jr. member
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Regardless of its durability and strength, I still don't think it's a good idea to keep all of our hardware wallets in a single place!

You would be surprised how many people actually already do it. Though it is probably not a good idea in case you are using the hardware wallets as part of a multisig setup.

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Does it come with a rating?

Not yet.

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BTW, you might want to lock one of the threads on the Hardware wallets sub-board [there's no point in having two (the "lock topic" button is located in the bottom-left corner of the page)].

The reason why I didn't do it yet is because Cypherock X1 can function both as a hardware wallet and a seed phrase backup fulfilling different needs for different people.
jr. member
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Is this case only protecting from EM waves, but without any protection from elements like fire and water?

Fire and Water not so much. With Shamir's Secret Sharing, by default the private keys are protected against water and fire if you keep them in geographically different locations.

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You said it's Water Resistant, so that means I can drop it in pool for a short while, like flagship phones or not?

We have not tested this yet and the definition is generally meant for watches. In our case, it means, it protects against accidental splashes of water.

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This topic should be in Hardware Wallet section, not in Service Announcements.

I have opened a thread there. I found 1-2 hardware wallet posts here as well and hence posted it here.
legendary
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  • Use it to keep other hardware wallets along with your Cypherock X1 safe against scratches
Regardless of its durability and strength, I still don't think it's a good idea to keep all of our hardware wallets in a single place!

  • It is Dust & Water Resistant
Does it come with a rating?

BTW, you might want to lock one of the threads on the Hardware wallets sub-board [there's no point in having two (the "lock topic" button is located in the bottom-left corner of the page)].
legendary
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Cypherock X1 now ships with a Hard Case - https://twitter.com/CypherockWallet/status/1719697106984972728
I saw this new case in one of the latest Cypherock X1 review videos, and I see you added custom graphics there.
Is this case only protecting from EM waves, but without any protection from elements like fire and water?
You said it's Water Resistant, so that means I can drop it in pool for a short while, like flagship phones or not?

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This topic should be in Hardware Wallet section, not in Service Announcements.
jr. member
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Cypherock X1 now ships with a Hard Case - https://twitter.com/CypherockWallet/status/1719697106984972728

  • Comes FREE as part of the packaging
  • Is a Faraday Cage to protect against unintended EM waves
  • Use it to keep other hardware wallets along with your Cypherock X1 safe against scratches
  • It is Dust & Water Resistant
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