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Topic: [ANN] ¤ DMD Diamond 3.0 | Scarce ¤ Valuable ¤ Secure | PoS 3.0 | Masternodes 65% - page 622. (Read 1260677 times)

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
I mined the danbi pool for about 5 weeks, but I'm done with the constant problems, and finally the non-payment of approx. 40-45 coins.
A small amount, but a constant headache keeping up with the pool being down. Does not reflect well on DMD.

Constant problems are to be expected with any coin.

What doesn't reflect well on DMD is the cheesy 'BONUSBONUSBONUS ACT NOW NOW NOW' cloud marketing.

It's the dime store version of Paycoin and GAW.


Let's list the known use cases for DMD:

1) buying DMD cloud mining, to earn more DMD
2) Huh

I think ^this^ is why only one pool is (kind of) bothering to support Diamond.
full member
Activity: 297
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I mined the danbi pool for about 5 weeks, but I'm done with the constant problems, and finally the non-payment of approx. 40-45 coins.
A small amount, but a constant headache keeping up with the pool being down. Does not reflect well on DMD.
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1053
bit.diamonds | uNiq.diamonds
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congrats to the winner

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200 DMD jackpot is yours!

next winner will be choose 1st february!
member
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Hi guys!
What stops me from investing in a DMD - this is unhealthy network. I've been watching for a month. One large pool very often does not operate normally, "under investigation", his website is constantly slows down and so on. For me it was over this big issue during the NY holidays, when I got only ~ 30-40% rewards in the period from 31.12 to 04.01 (2 days lost and i left). Two other pools (Miningfields) completely "blind". Can not see the transaction, there is no statistics on blocks and workers, can not even see your current balance. True believers might think that this is normal, but for newcomers it looks like a rich field for fraud.
Are there any other pools in addition to these Danbi or Miningfields?

Sorry for the bad English, Googlenglish partially.  Smiley
And sorry second time, I do not want to offend anyone.

WBR,
Wyacheslav.
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The hen or the egg
hallared, nice way to do the calculations. Much more "trustworthy" than the pure math, because there are many uncertainties.

The PoS contribution will be greatly influenced by how many of the stake holders open their wallets for minting. It also depends on the coin pile distribution. PoS is designed to work properly on the long term, but not predictable at all for short term calculations. Also, PoS rate influences PoW rate. One can assume 1 of every 10 blocks to be PoS, and the remaining 9 to be PoW. Whatever the PoS rewards are, this holds true.

Also, PoS is more difficult for a pile of very small coins, such as those generated by solo mining in a wallet. This is why it's generally bad idea to both PoW and PoS in the same wallet -- it is always best to move coins from the PoW wallet to the PoS wallet in chunks of 10-100 DMD. In the long term, PoS will make sure the coin sizes will equalise in "optimal" values (1-100 DMD).

But, whatever the real math is, halliared's way is adequate. We could expect even faster increase if some larger DMD investors wake up and mint their coins.

Good to see you around again Danbi! Hope your "real life demands" have settled a bit, so there will be more time for DMD in the future.

Glad you found the estimation adequate, reality will reveal the final answer Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1003
"Yobit pump alert software" Link in my signature!
Ive always been outspoken, and I dont like deceit. You mark my words, within 24 hours, payouts will magically start working on their own, and there wont be an issue with payouts if enough people speak up. This pool is making the 50% pos off YOUR money, and YOU are LOSING your rewards, its as simple as that. If you really sat down and added up how much youve lost in POS rewards because of this pool, you would be as mad as I am.
Vegas

Your welcome dmd miners Wink

Vegas
legendary
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Black Belt Developer
Great to see Danbi back at crafting diamonds: I must admit I was afraid ;-)
legendary
Activity: 3052
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bit.diamonds | uNiq.diamonds

hello
danbi correct send my "lost" coin  Smiley and phool working again normaly

thanx again

great news bulgarian diamonds shine brighter than ever before

member
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I am a bit busy getting the pool up again, but here is a short update on danbi's pool situation.

The pool scripts, as many of you already know hang from time to time. While this is not normal, it is a known bug in MPOS and results in only processing delays (the fronted display is not updated). No coins are lost.

Around the New Year eve this happened again, and I was able to only address is this morning. That is, restart the scripts manually and wait for them to process all the backlog. The three days backlog took about six hours to process. Then the pool began sending the mined coins... and apparently triggered an wallet bug. (too many transactions, or similar) -- which resulted in the pool not receiving any new blocks.

I then reloaded the blockchain and reset the transactions and the pool was up again. Prepared a list of unsuccessful transactions and started sending them, but the bug was hit again (too many, again). The pool stopped again.

I am now restoring the pool again, and will retry sending the transactions one by one, waiting for confirmations. This will take some more time, but should be ok by tomorrow. No coins are expected to be missing.

Unfortunately, during the recovery period, the pool could not generate coins, for which I apologise.

Hope to be able to work on fixing this wallet issue (which might affect any pool, or even any user) and the MPOS scripts later this month.

Oh, and by the way, danbi's pool has never minted coins that sit there. One could bother to read my many comments back in the thread as to why this is very bad idea (for any pool). You are advised to take your coins off the pool as soon as they are available. Thanks.

hello
danbi correct send my "lost" coin  Smiley and phool working again normaly

thanx again
legendary
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Merit: 1053
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What's the best way to invest in DMD?

If I had investment capital I would split it as follows:

 a) 50% on buying Diamonds directly
 b) investing 50% in Diamond Cloud Mining.

 This way I could achieve both maximizing the profit and stabilizing the coin.
 Diamond Cloud Mining can earn Diamonds every day, those Diamonds stake with 50% PoS interest.
 Some would call that Double PoS or simply PoS² (Proof of Shares and Proof of Stake).
legendary
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who own a linkedin account and didnt connect to me do that please
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/helmut-siedl/92/460/586
and who connected to me check my skills and endorse what u think i have
and then repeat with our CEO
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/aleksander-ray/a8/368/b03

and if u have no linkedin account consider create one just to support DMD
we will try move over there more and more activity because thats a platform that allow us
reach outside of crypto crowd and there is the real market for expansion

thx for ur ongoing support

its not " watch what cryotonit does and hope he is successful"
what we do here is working together towards a goal


legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1053
bit.diamonds | uNiq.diamonds
If you look at the cost of the diamond you will see that it has not changed in relation to the dollar.
 Prior to start the pump and after, the price is 16 - 17 cents. Bitcoin value thus noticeably dropped.
 This means that there is good potential for investment in the Diamonds.

yes diamond is looking like a better investment than BTC. Pretty stable.. I may want to buy more if the time is right..
AND we not only keep value stable
ur coins increase by POS 50% a year!

other topic
we have already 3 big miners who mine for DMD Cloudmining shares got only positive feedback
in a few days we will make it public avaiable
sr. member
Activity: 393
Merit: 250
hallared, nice way to do the calculations. Much more "trustworthy" than the pure math, because there are many uncertainties.

The PoS contribution will be greatly influenced by how many of the stake holders open their wallets for minting. It also depends on the coin pile distribution. PoS is designed to work properly on the long term, but not predictable at all for short term calculations. Also, PoS rate influences PoW rate. One can assume 1 of every 10 blocks to be PoS, and the remaining 9 to be PoW. Whatever the PoS rewards are, this holds true.

Also, PoS is more difficult for a pile of very small coins, such as those generated by solo mining in a wallet. This is why it's generally bad idea to both PoW and PoS in the same wallet -- it is always best to move coins from the PoW wallet to the PoS wallet in chunks of 10-100 DMD. In the long term, PoS will make sure the coin sizes will equalise in "optimal" values (1-100 DMD).

But, whatever the real math is, halliared's way is adequate. We could expect even faster increase if some larger DMD investors wake up and mint their coins.
full member
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The hen or the egg
Does any anyone have an estimate of when we will reach 1M DMDs ?
....i suggest u gather 20 block points like 10000 blocks between them
and trace the avaiable amount of DMD at this points
and then extrapolate that curve into a possible future....
So here is a rough calculation, based on the time necessary to issue the last 2015 block from block 725'208 to block 723'192 (this is the most accurate data I was given Wink)

According to my calculations, it took 33h 7min 28s to issue those 2015 blocks. So,

33h 7min 28s / 2015 = 33.125 h / 2015 = 0.01643920 h per block.

Therefore, since there are 274'792 blocks between the 725'208th block and the 1'000'000th block, it will take:

0.01643920*274'792 = 4517.3606 h

0.3606 h equals 21.636 min, 0.636 min equals 38s

So it will take  4517 h 21 min 38s from 3rd January 15:43:15 to get to the 1'000'000th block if the rate of issuance stays the same as for the last 2015 blocks. That is of course an approximation,  because we only look at the last 2015 blocks, but according to my calculations, we would reach the 1'000'000th block (1'000'000th DMD) around :

 3rd January  2015 15:43:15 + 189d 10h 7min = 13th July 2015 1:50:0

Of course, this calculation is pretty inaccurate (only 2015 blocks) but I am sure someone else will have access to more data Wink

And in anyway, we are likely to reach the 1'000'000th DMD faster since more Gh are being added to the mining power each day, no ?

P.S.: I am doing my math homework, and seriously, this calculation is a lot more fun Sad

Well, your calculation looks accurate but…. didn’t your math teacher tell you to read the task description thoroughly before displaying your mathematical proficiency? Wink

In DMD the amount of total coins is not the same as the number of generated blocks, and it was the ”…available amount of DMD…” that Cryptonit mentioned in his suggestion. I’m certain that you can do the same calculation with this parameter instead. As the PoW block reward will change at 1000000 total DMD coins this result will be much more interesting.
 

But isn't block reward 1DMD ?

The PoW block reward is 1.05, but then you have to integrate PoS block rewards in the calculation too.

True, so since time I calculated is 6 month, that's 25 % POS. So I take out 25 % of the time... Let's see:

around 20th May 2015 then, taking into account POS and 1.05 block reward.


Well Knight, your first calculation was ok mathematically but then you tried to substract a percentage from your first result to calculate something new, which was illogical and incorrect. Percentage is not just a percentage you can use as you see fit, it always represents a percentage of something. Therefore you should be aware of from which parameter you calculate the percentage. Let me give you an example.

Lets say that I solomine 1 DMD per day on average. How many days will it take to reach 100 DMD? Yes, obviously it takes 100 days, but how do we calculate it? Well, we just take our goal of 100 DMD and divide it by 1 DMD/day which equals 100 days (100/1=100). Lets say that my average of mined DMD increase by 5% to 1.05 per day. Then I can’t just substract 5% from my previous result of 100 days and get 100-0.05*100=95 days. Instead I use my formula above and take 100 DMD divided by 1.05 DMD/day = 95.24 days (100/1.05=95,24). As you can see it’s not the same result. And it becomes much more clear if we assume that my average of mined DMD increase with 50% instead to 1.5 per day. Substracting 50% from 100 days equals 50 days, but 100/1.5=66,67. That’s a big difference.

So, in your first computation you calculated how long it would take to generate 274792 blocks, which you assumed was the same as 274792 coins. When you realized that the block reward was 1.05 (see post #4912) and tried to compensate for it you thought wrong however. Instead of trying to substract 5% you should have added 5% to the block reward and calculated how long it would take to generate 274792 coins with this new data, like this: 274792 coins divided by 1.05 coins per block equals 261706.67 blocks multiplied by your own result 0.01643920 hours per block equals 4302.25 hours. (274792/1.05*0.0164392=4302.25). That’s not the same as your 5% substraction: 4517.3606 – 0.05*4517.3606 = 4291,49 hours.

Then you were trying to compensate for PoS rewards by doing yet another substraction, this time by 25%, which is also mathematically wrong. The PoS reward is actually quite difficult to implement in a calculation as it varies a lot depending on the amount (coin pile) that is staking, which is decided by both coin age and randomness. Therefore it’s quite complicated to do a forecast that involves PoS, and the frequency of generated PoW blocks could vary a bit too. So how do we calculate the time to reach 10000000 coins then? There are different ways to do it, but lets look at one example of a rather simple way to do an estimation.

We doesn’t really have to think about PoW or PoS. If we want to try to estimate a certain time when a certain amount of coins will be reached we should concentrate on generated coins per time unit. For example, using the last 7 days as data we find that there were 784178.85 total coins at the end of 3rd january and 769461.74 at the start of 28th december. That’s a difference of 784178,85-769461.74=14717.11 coins. Average coins per day is then 14717.11/7=2102.44. To reach 1000000 total coins there must be another 1000000-784178.85=215821.15 coins generated. Well, we just need to use the formula again and take 215821.15 coins divided by 2102.44 coins per day equals 102.65 days (215821.15/2102.44=102.65).

This means that according to the calculation above 1000000 total coins will be reached on the 16th april 15:39 PM (UTC time). This is only one way to do an estimation, so of course if you use other data, or take other factors in account, or if the average of total coins increase or decrease over time, then the result will be different. So to you all, feel free to present your own calculations and predictions. When using additional data and assumptions, my educated guess is on the 21st april, but who knows. ”Clouded the future is…” Wink
legendary
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DMD info: https://diamond-info.github.io/
So do we have approximate dates, when should we see block halving for POW and POS?

How long do we have to mine it and stake it under current reward?
After reaching 1 million coins reward in the block will be reduced to 0.1 coin. This is for POW.
Reward mode POS will be reduced halved after reaching values of 1.5 million coins.
legendary
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So do we have approximate dates, when should we see block halving for POW and POS?

How long do we have to mine it and stake it under current reward?
legendary
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If you look at the cost of the diamond you will see that it has not changed in relation to the dollar.
 Prior to start the pump and after, the price is 16 - 17 cents. Bitcoin value thus noticeably dropped.
 This means that there is good potential for investment in the Diamonds.

yes diamond is looking like a better investment than BTC. Pretty stable.. I may want to buy more if the time is right..
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1013
DMD info: https://diamond-info.github.io/
If you look at the cost of the diamond you will see that it has not changed in relation to the dollar.
 Prior to start the pump and after, the price is 16 - 17 cents. Bitcoin value thus noticeably dropped.
 This means that there is good potential for investment in the Diamonds.
sr. member
Activity: 393
Merit: 250
Status update about danbi's Pool:

There were 35 transactions that were failed due to the wallet bug, for about 1623 DMD.

All these were manually processed one by one to be sure they go trough without issues.

If you have not received your failed transaction (recorded in the pool's transaction log between 2015-01-03 17:31:29 and 2015-01-03 21:43:52 EET) please let me know with some details.

Hope this issue is now resolved. As a side result the pool will perform a bit faster.
newbie
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True, so since time I calculated is 6 month, that's 25 % POS. So I take out 25 % of the time... Let's see:

around 20th May 2015 then, taking into account POS and 1.05 block reward.


I expect it to be around 10th April 2015

Why ?

There are around 780k DMD at the moment.
We have around 1500 PoW and between 0 and 1100 PoS coins daily.
I suppose around 70% of the coins are in PoS stage, which is 770 PoS DMD daily.
If you add the 1500 PoW coins, that's 2270 DMD daily, or 97 days untill we reach 1M.

Please note, that these calculations may not be true!
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