Topic: [ANN] [DRZ] [DROIDZ] [ANTI-INSTAMINE] - A FRESH NEW START - WALLET UPDATES!!! - page 8. (Read 48431 times)

no we dont greedyjohn ...

we need to make countermeasures to absorb the dumping of these older coins ...

the thief WILL dump - thats the issue ... there is NO going back and no stopping it - unless the whole blockchain gets rolled back ...

so the countermeasure is - that we cop the loss in the current blockchain and exchanges as well as create as many coins in the new blockchain as we need ( my suggestion is 2.5million ) - and deal with it as a community ... there is no other way - except to rollback ... if we dont do this - it will be a prolonged and drawn out and painful experience for everyone ... we dont want that ...

so we have to get hit with a million coins of dumping - big deal ... its probably the original dev who did all this anyway ... so - we cop it sweet and move on ...

really greedyjohn - everyone needs to STOP with this 'if / could' business - and actually get down TO business ...

#crysx

People are still commenting on the fact that the thief was still able to move DRZ-OLD within BITTREX wallets.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/drzold/wallet.dws?11147.htm

We now only have 2 wallets with DRZ-OLD in them, At least one of these wallets could belong to the thief.

Please, we still need the technical members of the thread to investigate these wallet addresses

morning all ...

we all need to understand at least this much ...

if the new wallet with newly created coins is to be finalized - we should decide NOW for not only the coins to be swapped but also whether new coins are to be created as an extra ...

as ive just read - the stolen coins WILL be dumped - the thief has made that VERY clear ... this means that a LOT of drz holders will be out of pocket - AND - a lot more work ( on the drz team side AND the community - as well as the exchanges ) will be required to recover from this ...

lets get a couple of things VERY clear here ... i may be a little forward in my approach - and may come across brash and rude at times - but i know no other way than to be blunt and honest about things - as it all comes from my gut and heart ...

soopy is NOT the only one here - and he is NOT the only one operating this from the back end ...

soopy and greedyjohn and i have been in discussions from when i asked soopy to be involved in this mess to help ... greedyjohn and 'the old dev' and i have been in discussions ( and development ) from before soopy came in ...

this means that the background negotiations are being done by the three of us - not just with each other - but also with ccex ( yes - again its NOT just soopy that is in contact with them - even though my time zone is the biggest damned issue here ) and bittrex etc ... at least one of us has been involved with one or another of the discussions that have taken place - at least one of us has been involved with the way things have been running - at least one of us has been organizing and negotiating and coding / cleaning / idea making ...

the THREE of us have been not only pro-active - but also the most involved for a long time now ( and deeply involved - not just 'i carry drz' involvement )...

drays - bumbacoin - and a few others have also been involved on one level or another - but i would think that the core team so far consists of the three of us ... we dont invest this time and effort and money - to be pushed aside ...

the ideas that 'soopy' have come up with are actually a combination of the ideas WE have brainstormed - i am in constant touch with soopy on bct as well as skype - and in constant touch with greedyjohn in the same way ... and im sure greedyjohn and soopy will back this ... even though soopy really is the core developer here at this time - he is NOT the only one and NOT 'the saviour' of the coin ... he is a developer ( and his involvement with other coins is in depth also - so he cannot devote ALL his time to this project ) - so please stop putting all this PRESSURE that one person is saving the day ... it takes a team - and thats what WE are ...

the next thing we need to get clarified here is that the 'new' wallet soopy is working on is seen by ONE person - soopy ... he has developed this wallet and NO ONE ELSE has access to this wallet ... why? ... because the amount of coins and the direction the wallet will take RELIES on this one wallet ...

if there are extra coins that need to be created - it needs to be done NOW ... so if we are to not only cover the coins stolen - but also the coins lost - AND to cover the development team ( and the future addition of a marketing person or otherwise ) - then we need to cover the costs and losses NOW ... with the release of THIS wallet and not at a later date - so that we dont have to change the amount of coins AGAIN at a later date ...

this is THE reason i suggested 2.5milion in all ... i mean lets face it - who on earth is going to pay for soopys work ... i know he is doing this to 'help' - but his work requires payment - even if its a donation that WE as a team need to cover ... its unfair to think that the work and infrastructure that i provide also - as well as the management and organization that greedyjohn has put in should not be covered one way or another for OUR losses also ...

we are here FOR the community - but we too need to recover our own losses - AS WELL AS - the communities losses ...

the other suggestions are also as simple - a new thread - a new drzfund - a new backend and seednodes with hardcoded seeds that NO ONE else can gain access to except the core team - a new way of management - this time without the loose ( mis ) management of the previous method of running this project ... destruction of the old wallets from ALL involved ( especially the exchanges ) and the beginning of a new unadulterated start fro droidz ...

i carry drz ( so i suffered losses ) - greedyjohn carries droidz ( so he suffered losses ) - soopy has none ( as far as im aware ) and should be compensated for his work ... the previous thief had and still has drz ( which he will dump the first chance he gets ) ... we NEED to cover ALL aspects ... including the community losses ...

ive watched this coin go to hell and back because a HUGE amount of my 'advice' was ignored - or altogether pushed aside ... this all happened in the background without the communities knowledge between greedyjohn and the old dev and i ...

i challenge greedyjohn or anyone from the old so-called 'team' to challenge me on this ... come frazazel or old dev ( who STILL wants to remain anonymous ) or greedyjohn ... come oppose all or anything i am saying as false ... i challenge ANYONE of the old or current team to oppose what im stating is false or fiction in anyway ...

so what does this rant have to do with what is going on NOW? ... everything! ...

i run my own coins - i run my own servers - i run my own infrastructure - just to name a few things i own and are under development ( including and focused on granite ) ... NONE of what is under MY belt can be ( or will be ) susceptible to this sort attack and theft that we have just witnessed in the droidz community ... why? ... im glad you asked ... not only because its all locked down in private servers - not only because its secured with encryption - not only because the entire infrastructure is on a path and STICKS to that path and goal ... but mainly because its locked down and secured and pushed forward on the path that it needs to go on by someone with integrity ... ME! ...

so drz was 'given' to the previous dev - and the previous dev 'trusted' another with wallet and access ... 'trusted' that other with almost everything - and we really didnt have any idea how trustworthy that other was ... time to put an end to the debacle and NOT set ourselves up for another one ...

a 'team' means WE - not I ... a deadline means 'no more negotiation after that date' ... a commitment means just that ...

lets get this project BACK on its feet - lets get this project moving in the RIGHT direction - lets get the losses covered and the swap finalized and the funds organized ...

#crysx

I honestly did not read through all the messages because they seemed to be beating a dead horse. C-cex and yobit are on V3. They did the swaps. There SHOULDN'T be any remaining coins from them. If so, and still have the wallet.DAT, destroy it, or give it to us to destroy.

It was Bittrex that dropped the ball on this whole situation... They KNEW a swap was happening. Not the first time in crypto history by any means.. C-Cex and Yobit suspended their wallets until all was "good". Bittrex  FAILED to take necessary precautions to prevent this going south like other coins have. (Yes, it's happened before!) But hey.. A fee on each trade is money in their hands, so no rush!

Anyways.. Forget Bittrex, and don't look back. Not unless they're willing to help out a bit more. I personally have a little bit of fundage (like .01 BTC worth) on their site, and after that.. I'm done trading with them.

I've been burned with other swaps in the past, and I get it... But if people can't keep up with the coins they invest in, and a change and deadline are there, and they don't meet it.. Sorry! Better luck next time!

At this stage, I feel that we do not need to use BITTREX for swap, because this will result in extra costs. It is a good thing that we will be able to swap the coins ourselves, but this process must be monitored strictly.

People need to withdraw their coins from BITTREX before 12 February, because BITTREX wants to delete these coins that now belong to a DRZ-OLD blockchain. We have less than 9 days left!!!!!

It is still possible for BITTREX to relist DROIDZ = DRZ-V3, after they have destroyed all the DRZ-OLD that has not been withdrawn within their stated deadline. We need soopy and other technical members to see that all DRZ-OLD at BITTREX are destroyed after the deadline.

I feel that we can still create the 2.09m EXTRA DRZ-V3 that soopy recommends. This is exactly what should be created, because excess staked coins have already been accounted for by the old dev.

I feel that unswapped coins should go to a DEV FUND, because soopy is really helping us out of this mess.

Everything should be done under community agreement.

Indeed you are right with the 2m figure closely , so we shall go ahead with the mining of 2.09 the exact number of coins sent to the C-Cex wallet at the time of swapping.

I will make provisions to have this mined within the day , please make your voice heard and your opinions in the meantime.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

The confusion comes, because we had 5.17m DRZ OLD, but the DEV mined 5.5m DRZ-V3 to cover staked coins.

This is an excess of over 300k DRZ-V3.

IDEALLY, we should create exactly the amount of coins that CCEX lost, BUT NOT MORE THAN THIS FIGURE.

So, the maximum amount of extra DRZ-V3 to be mined = 2.09m (which almost agrees with my stated 2m figure), because staked coins have already been accounted for.

Let me go through the calculation once more.

Droidz-V3 Coins Mined = 5,500,000
Sent to a secondary Wallet = 50,000 (I hope someone from the community has access to this)
Sent to C-Cex for Swap = 2091699.50275572
Sent to Yobit for Swap = 1883797.26972853
Should be Left on Main Wallet = 1374503.22751575
But have = 1394000
Balance to be Mined = 2091699.50275572 (Exact amount swapped for Droidz-V2 of C-CEX wallet)
Total Swappable = 2091699.50275572 + 1394000 = 3485699.50275572

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I hope that we burn the remnant, but this has to be done under the supervision of members of this community.

That is correct. 2M would be a safe amount.

One important question though - how long the swap will run? Are we going to burn the unclaimed amount when swap is finished?

I hope you can remember that on numerous occasions, I pleaded with BITTREX to FREEZE the account of the thief

From my calculation, we need to create an extra 1.9m DRZ-V3, so that we have 1.394 + 1.9 = 3.294m DRZ-V3 available for swap.

This mirrors the calculation I made above:
DRZ-OLD available for swap = 5,173,618 - 1,883,797 DRZ-OLD = 3,289,821 DRZ OLD = 3.29m DRZ-OLD.

We can create an extra 100,000 DRZ-V3 to cover for coins mined over the swap window.

So instead of creating 1.9m DRZ-V3, we create 2m DRZ-V3, so that we have 1.394 + 2.0 = 3.394m DRZ-V3 available for swap.

So a good idea is to create at least 2m DRZ-V3, even though only 1.9m DRZ-V3 is needed today.

I am definitely grateful to Yuriy at C-Cex for all his efforts and very helpful attitude.

At the same time I am disgusted by the attitude from Bittrex, which DIDN'T EVEN CLOSE THE DEPOSITS to DRZ WALLET during the last weeks!! This is ridiculous, taking into account all the inquiries we have made to them. This created a great opportunity for the thief to steal the rest of the coins from C-Cex wallet on Jan 29 and pass them all through Bittrex, so all traces are lost. So bottomline - once again Bittrex helped the offender to hide the traces. Probably that was done without any bad intent, just because of lazyness and indifference towards the interests of this community. "Good for you" Bittrex  . I don't want to comment on that any more, as no polite words come to mind

CALCULATIONS

We had 5,173,618 DRZ OLD

Only YOBIT DRZ-OLD are inaccessible.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/drzold/wallet.dws?16478.htm


Hence, remaining DRZ-OLD available for swap = TOTAL DRZ-OLD - YOBIT DRZ-OLD.

DRZ-OLD available for swap = 5,173,618 - 1,883,797 DRZ-OLD = 3,289,821 DRZ OLD

AMOUNT OF DRZ-V3 TO BE CREATED

Total DRZ-V3 available for swap = 1,393,924 (previously 1.38m, has increased due to staking)

Total DRZ-V3 to be created = DRZ-OLD available for swap - DRZ-V3 available

Total DRZ-V3 to be created = 3,289,821 - 1,393,924 = 1,895,897 DRZ-V3 to be created.

This is where we get the figure of 1.9m DRZ-V3 to be created.

I obtained 1.92m in my last calculation, because I used 1.38m instead of 1.394m as my available DRZ-V3

I'm on skype with C-Cex and the wallet is currently being synced , I believe the community owes the Admin for his support and time in helping us clear this mess. Please do thank him for his support and assistance in everyway.

Btw can someone confirm me the amount of coins the wallet had earlier? Just want to know how much the previous DEV had moved out.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

Update: We cannot release Kraken yet guys , thankful to C-Cex for his time and going out of his way to help us in this situation , the wallet synced and sadly all the coins on it has already been moved by the previous developer and from there to another wallet , please follow this transaction : https://chainz.cryptoid.info/drzold/address.dws?16233.htm

The last transaction and information is as follows (I'm quoting this part of the conversation I had with C-CEX)

[2:03:45 AM] C-CEX.com: "blocks":252589
[2:04:13 AM] C-CEX.com: {"version":"v1.2.0.0: NextGen","protocolversion":80001,"walletversion":60000,"balance":0.43136642,"newmint":0.00000000,"stake":0.00000000,"blocks":252589
[2:04:25 AM] C-CEX.com: unfortunately
[2:05:08 AM] C-CEX.com: "address":"64MQK84f8gp8MEzxbdMebWJhpKRist7XK2","category":"send","amount":-200000.00000000
[2:05:13 AM] C-CEX.com: 2016-01-29 09:16:47
[2:05:22 AM] C-CEX.com: I see this tx from latest tx
[2:05:28 AM] C-CEX.com: there is 7281 and 100 more
[2:05:38 AM] C-CEX.com: same day
[2:07:21 AM] C-CEX.com: lversion":80001,"walletversion":60000,"balance":0.43136642,"newmint":0.000000

Conclusion: What I suggest is get along with the swap to DROIDZ - V3 , there's not much we can do currently and if someone's dumping coins , as the community please be ready to tackle that and eat those sell orders. So as GREEDYJOHN has quoted his message below/above from Frazazel , the number of coins held at C-CEX at the time of swap was 2091699.50255572 DRZ , which the same amount of DROIDZ-V3 was sent there , I believe the same number would have ended up on Bittrex , so I believe the number of coins that would need to be mined will amount to 2091699.50255572 DRZ without debate , please add a buffer to this , totally the number of coins currently on the Droidz-V3 wallet and the newly minted coins should total to 3471699.50255572 , I would add a buffer of 200,000 coins extra minted to accomodate for staking for the last few weeks to the total and make it 3671699.50255572 (three million six hundred seventy-one thousand six hundred ninety-nine) , All balance coins from the swap will be burned or be done with whatever the community decides its faith to be.

Also C-CEX has contacted Richie at Bittrex and informed them of the situation as well as inquired of the possibility of seizing accounts of the culprit.

A huge round of applause and a big thank you should go to C-CEX Administrator for going out of his way as well as helping the Droidz community to sort out this situation and doing everything from their end towards it.

This is where the OLD DEV explained it all:

I'm on skype with C-Cex and the wallet is currently being synced , I believe the community owes the Admin for his support and time in helping us clear this mess. Please do thank him for his support and assistance in everyway.

Btw can someone confirm me the amount of coins the wallet had earlier? Just want to know how much the previous DEV had moved out.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

Update: We cannot release Kraken yet guys , thankful to C-Cex for his time and going out of his way to help us in this situation , the wallet synced and sadly all the coins on it has already been moved by the previous developer and from there to another wallet , please follow this transaction : https://chainz.cryptoid.info/drzold/address.dws?16233.htm

The last transaction and information is as follows (I'm quoting this part of the conversation I had with C-CEX)

[2:03:45 AM] C-CEX.com: "blocks":252589
[2:04:13 AM] C-CEX.com: {"version":"v1.2.0.0: NextGen","protocolversion":80001,"walletversion":60000,"balance":0.43136642,"newmint":0.00000000,"stake":0.00000000,"blocks":252589
[2:04:25 AM] C-CEX.com: unfortunately
[2:05:08 AM] C-CEX.com: "address":"64MQK84f8gp8MEzxbdMebWJhpKRist7XK2","category":"send","amount":-200000.00000000
[2:05:13 AM] C-CEX.com: 2016-01-29 09:16:47
[2:05:22 AM] C-CEX.com: I see this tx from latest tx
[2:05:28 AM] C-CEX.com: there is 7281 and 100 more
[2:05:38 AM] C-CEX.com: same day
[2:07:21 AM] C-CEX.com: lversion":80001,"walletversion":60000,"balance":0.43136642,"newmint":0.000000

Conclusion: What I suggest is get along with the swap to DROIDZ - V3 , there's not much we can do currently and if someone's dumping coins , as the community please be ready to tackle that and eat those sell orders. So as GREEDYJOHN has quoted his message below/above from Frazazel , the number of coins held at C-CEX at the time of swap was 2091699.50255572 DRZ , which the same amount of DROIDZ-V3 was sent there , I believe the same number would have ended up on Bittrex , so I believe the number of coins that would need to be mined will amount to 2091699.50255572 DRZ without debate , please add a buffer to this , totally the number of coins currently on the Droidz-V3 wallet and the newly minted coins should total to 3471699.50255572 , I would add a buffer of 200,000 coins extra minted to accomodate for staking for the last few weeks to the total and make it 3671699.50255572 (three million six hundred seventy-one thousand six hundred ninety-nine) , All balance coins from the swap will be burned or be done with whatever the community decides its faith to be.

Also C-CEX has contacted Richie at Bittrex and informed them of the situation as well as inquired of the possibility of seizing accounts of the culprit.

A huge round of applause and a big thank you should go to C-CEX Administrator for going out of his way as well as helping the Droidz community to sort out this situation and doing everything from their end towards it.

Definitely
And it will end by the words "to be continued...".

You know, Droidz are virtually indestructible. Just repair them and power them up!

Someone should write a book about the DRZ story