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Actually I fear that SEC will watch this IRRESPECTIVE of the way it ends. The sheer crowddsale volume will draw a lot of attention. I'm not really sure that you are doing the right thing.

If those 7m ETH number is anything close to real. Then I will be scare to go in because ppl might dump on first day of trading.
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Actually I fear that SEC will watch this IRRESPECTIVE of the way it ends. The sheer crowddsale volume will draw a lot of attention. I'm not really sure that you are doing the right thing.
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Ethereum is a great idea - I've talked to some of the devs and they seem really competent and enthusiastic - altogether a nice team of folks.

Unfortunately, looking at the detail of the pre-sale (not an IPO as they're selling software - a product) there is so much complication and lack of clarity that much has to be taken on trust.

For me the confusion about how many Ethers will exist in total is in sharp contrast to BTCs 21 million cap which is one of its greatest selling points.

Therefore any investment in this pre-sale is really just a support of the team and a wish to see this very ambition project succeed - eventually.

I do not see this as an investment but as support to the team.
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I hate "the more the better"!, which just indicates the dev is greedy!
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Devs cancelled the first IPO in order to work on details and come up with a decent IPO plan. Instead they've just started IPO with no info whatsoever. Maidsafe investors got about 20000 coins for 1 BTC, devs set a cap but still investors are pretty much fucked. Ethereum devs only offer 2000 for 1 BTC, didn't set a cap, didn't post any info about total amount of coins, mining plan, devs stake ect. Looks like another big disappointment: eMunie, Maidsafe, Ethereum.

Indeed I m not understanding which is the total amount of the coins? Who knows?

nobody knows

that why this IPO is so weird

I was really interested in Ethereum but this all looks so scammy, I don't know what to think anymore.

Red Flag. I want to invest, not only to participate in a crowdfunding. I d like to know the total amount of the coins. Ursius, something about it?
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Devs cancelled the first IPO in order to work on details and come up with a decent IPO plan. Instead they've just started IPO with no info whatsoever. Maidsafe investors got about 20000 coins for 1 BTC, devs set a cap but still investors are pretty much fucked. Ethereum devs only offer 2000 for 1 BTC, didn't set a cap, didn't post any info about total amount of coins, mining plan, devs stake ect. Looks like another big disappointment: eMunie, Maidsafe, Ethereum.

Indeed I m not understanding which is the total amount of the coins? Who knows?

nobody knows

that why this IPO is so weird

I was really interested in Ethereum but this all looks so scammy, I don't know what to think anymore.
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Devs cancelled the first IPO in order to work on details and come up with a decent IPO plan. Instead they've just started IPO with no info whatsoever. Maidsafe investors got about 20000 coins for 1 BTC, devs set a cap but still investors are pretty much fucked. Ethereum devs only offer 2000 for 1 BTC, didn't set a cap, didn't post any info about total amount of coins, mining plan, devs stake ect. Looks like another big disappointment: eMunie, Maidsafe, Ethereum.

Indeed I m not understanding which is the total amount of the coins? Who knows?

the number o
of eth ~ 2000 x BTC IPO + 10%ETH DEV + 100% mining.

this is very rough
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Devs cancelled the first IPO in order to work on details and come up with a decent IPO plan. Instead they've just started IPO with no info whatsoever. Maidsafe investors got about 20000 coins for 1 BTC, devs set a cap but still investors are pretty much fucked. Ethereum devs only offer 2000 for 1 BTC, didn't set a cap, didn't post any info about total amount of coins, mining plan, devs stake ect. Looks like another big disappointment: eMunie, Maidsafe, Ethereum.

Indeed I m not understanding which is the total amount of the coins? Who knows?
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I have two questions.

1. What is the total amount of ETH that will be created ever ?
2. What exchanges can trade ETH ?

The second question is related to Safemaidcoin. It could only trade in masterxchange and coin could only store in omniwallet. Both of these never fully worked for me for 6 days. I don't want to own a coin that can only be traded in one proprietary exchange.

P.S. I don't really believe the total ether purchased number on the web. Just trying to create a herd mentality.
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I think some posters here need to do more research on their own, ethereum is not new, it's been in development for a long time now. There is plenty of information on the net about the developers, their past projects, etc. They are some of the most popular and well-known people in the cryptocurrency realm.

What most people, including me, who are used to throw-away type altcoins and have grown so skeptical and cynical, don't understand...is...ethers are not coins. They are tokens to be used to "rent space" or complete any action on the ethereum blockchain. Ethereum is a programming language which allows developers to build applications on a decentralized internet.

For example, you have a website...your website is hosted on somebody's server. But if you have a website hosted on Ethereum, your website exists on the blockchain. It's decentralized and updated through the mining process.

For those who think Ethereum is a coin, its not. It aims to be the beginning of the next generation of internet, where the entire internet exists on a blockchain, everybody pays a little ether for every action they make online, and the whole net is supported by mining ether the same way the "bitcoin ledger" is supported and updated by mining bitcoin.

There probably will be no immediate or short-term gains. But it might be something you can buy and give to your children and grandchildren.

That's a very bold statement to make that there will probably be no immediate or short term gains. You can't justify that.

Need to start working on some children haha
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when does Maidsafe actually release a product???

Same ETA as ethereum, end of 2014.

legendary
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when does Maidsafe actually release a product???

Also how is the ether priced in the system.

if is open sourse, what is to stop and eth competitor launching and makeing processing cheaper.

how is running a program costed.....anything above normal cpu costs per cycle minus cloud/vm penalties looks to be quite open to arbitrage....

the only way to do this is to divide the total computable network power to compute by the number of ether minted.

Also where does the used ether go??? to miners?


infact Vitamin B envisages this

"It is very likely that alternative versions of Ethereum (“alt-etherea” or “forks”) will be released as separate blockchains, and these chains will compete against the official Ethereum for value. Successfully purchasing ETH from the Genesis Sale only guarantees that you will receive ETH on the official network, not any forks."

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/07/22/launching-the-ether-sale/

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Fun fact: Maidsafe is dirt cheap atm from sellers wanting to get in on the ether presale.

what the actual fuck

dirt cheap? they're finally now worth about the same as IPO price.. did you miss all the weeks inbetween the IPO and now when they were trading at ~2500-3000?

No i bought in between 2500 and 3000.

Maidsafe has been trading between 5400 and 6000. Right now there have been trade orders between 3500 to 5000.



Then you should know that it peaked at 5000-6000 and there was no way it was going to stay there..

Just because bitcoin peaked at $1000 doesn't mean that $700 is "dirt cheap".. I think you need to look abit further back than the last 5 days.

anyway this has nothing to do with Etherium
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Fun fact: Maidsafe is dirt cheap atm from sellers wanting to get in on the ether presale.

what the actual fuck

dirt cheap? they're finally now worth about the same as IPO price.. did you miss all the weeks inbetween the IPO and now when they were trading at ~2500-3000?

edit: Then you should know that it peaked at 5000-6000 and there was no way it was going to stay there..

Just because bitcoin peaked at $1000 doesn't mean that $700 is "dirt cheap".. I think you need to look abit further back than the last 5 days.

anyway this has nothing to do with Etherium

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Did mediasafe deliver anything? Any software?

I think Ethereum will deliver a product at least.
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Fun fact: Maidsafe is dirt cheap atm from sellers wanting to get in on the ether presale.
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Ok I read most of the Terms and Conditions of the Ethereum Genesis Sale. You may find it after clicking on Buy Ether.

1) There is no cap on overall btc invested. 3265 btc as of now (10 hours after start) has been invested already. I think it's safe to judge at least 30000 btc will be invested in the 42 days left.
2) There's a cap of 12.5% for every investor, aiming to avoid centralization/inequality. This is more for corporations as it's unlikely anybody would invest so much.
3) Offer will last 42 days. You get some bonus in the first 14 days and after that you get less bonus.
4) 83,5% of ether is being sold, but this coin has an infinite inflation and ether will be forever mined. ( https://www.ethereum.org/images/terms/supply.png ) BUT after only 10 years these 83.5% will have become only 26.3% ( https://www.ethereum.org/images/terms/distribution.jpg ) and will keep becoming less and less significantly for a long time. At least 20 more years.
5) If 30000 btc gets invested we will have an instant market cap of 36000 btc and an actual market cap (if you take 10 years into consideration which some might argue is too much and others is too small so i guess its a fair number it becomes 114068 btc instant market cap. More than nxt already.
6) This is their btc direct address in case someone is curious: https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 DO NOT SEND BTC DIRECTLY TO IT
7) This seems to me maidsafe 2.0. I hope it's good and it will actually deliver something, but hardly enough for investors to break even. I don't know if I'm investing on this. Most likely I will not as it seems only people getting rich out of this are developers.



Sums it up pretty good

The only good thing with this IPO is that there is no rush, you have ~13days to decide if you want to buy it at the current price or not.

other than that, it seems like maidsafe IPO


I think you're better off investing in whatever mining equipment becomes useful instead of buying these overpriced ethers that will only drop in value over time.
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You can be sure there will be exchanges that will add ether so that they can profit from trading fees

I am not sure they will, ether is meant to be traded on ethereum. Bitcoin exchanges will be created as decentralized ethereum applications. There might be outside exchanges who pick it up, that's what I am trying to find out from the devs....how available and how easy will it be to trade ether for bitcoin after the genesis block is created. I  haven't gotten a clear answer yet.

I suppose its up to the exchanges, but they might treat it like NXT. I think NXT is only on Bter.com?


..and @hamiltino : Not making any bold statements about no short-term or immediate gains, it's just my guess, if it was a bold statement, I wouldn't have used the word 'probably'.
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ETH will run as POW after IPO?

That's still TBD
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Can I buy ether multiple times from the same email address?

Or do I need to make one bulk purchase?

Thanks,

You can buy multiple times; same email should be ok.  But each time you buy, you will get another wallet.
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