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hero member
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We received quite a few messages and questions regarding to the physical company and I just want to clarify

Our plan is to implement the structure which was posted in this thread earlier. We have been organizing the set-up, but we are still waiting further clarification to be certain that such structure is legal in the US and the business is not breach of US securities laws. Therefore, we can't guaranty and don't promise that the two tier structure will be implemented in the described way or it can go ahead at all. We are trying to organize a DAC, but we hear as many opinions as many lawyers we ask, and if such DAC is illegal in the US then we will have to organize it somewhere else, for example in the UK or Ireland.

We are not offering shares in a physical company with the VICR contract. If the structure can be implemented legally then the VICR owners will be able to claim their ownership in the physical company if they wish to do so, but we can't guaranty and promise anything regarding to this - with those posts we only informed the community what we are up to regarding to this matter, and that we try our best to create a community driven DAC.





No, it won't be legal in the US -nor many other countries-. You can  create a coin and sell or distribute it as you like -at least until regulation in the US is established-. But a company, LLC or any other, is a different matter and subject to specific rules. In your case, you could create the company and own it yourselves, as an LLC, but you cannot distribute shares or ownership the way you intend to. And you do know that a US-registered company requires, by law, to file quarterly statements, I assume.

Furthermore, your whole business plan -as I understand it, since it is "explained" in such a convoluted way-, needs to be seriously restructured under very different an specific parameters, including, as paramount, a system (only "boots on the ground" will do) to filter any and all illegal activity BEFORE it happens. It cannot be done with tech alone. You would be victim of anyone in crypto simply by broadcasting a minor and calling the authorities. Your whole operation would be closed and you'll be liable for criminal and financial damages.

Finally, you hope to sign "top models" that are making a mint in FIAT to be paid in crypto, "tokens", whatever? Good luck with that.

Thank you for pointing out the issues with the securities offering. As we said we are not offering shares nor securities, the VICR contract owners could claim if they wish to do so the shares in the physical LLC. Would be such road to the ownership the breach of US securities laws? Some lawyers say it is, others say it is not. If it is not possible in the US, then we can implement the DAC in the UK.

We fully agree that the business plan is far from complete and we need experienced business professionals on board. We try our best to recruit them. We have just started this process, we are at the beginning of the road and lets hope experienced professionals will see potential in our technology and help us to take the network to the next level.

I agree about the issue of filtering. All sites have this issue. The main purpose of the trusted node concept in GadgetNet and the centralization to stop illegal content and to comply with laws and regulations. In a fully decentralized P2P streaming such filtering wouldn't be possible. We try to build a community here and we hope the community members will help us to monitor the content, especially that such content is close to a geek's heart.

Please note, the models will get paid in FAIT if they opt that cash out method. The partner site www.jizzmo.net will accept both FIAT and Bitcoin. The underlying crypto technology will be completely transparent to models and viewers.


So you can build the filtering officers unit by offering a porn-prison guard position to interested community members: they can watch the most pretty naked females of Earth all day for free -  all they have to do is reporting the problems.  Since the average crypto user never had sex with real woman, you wouldn't have shortage in filtering officers. Everyone would gain from the partnership - especially the 24/7 porn watcher officers.

sr. member
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We received quite a few messages and questions regarding to the physical company and I just want to clarify

Our plan is to implement the structure which was posted in this thread earlier. We have been organizing the set-up, but we are still waiting further clarification to be certain that such structure is legal in the US and the business is not breach of US securities laws. Therefore, we can't guaranty and don't promise that the two tier structure will be implemented in the described way or it can go ahead at all. We are trying to organize a DAC, but we hear as many opinions as many lawyers we ask, and if such DAC is illegal in the US then we will have to organize it somewhere else, for example in the UK or Ireland.

We are not offering shares in a physical company with the VICR contract. If the structure can be implemented legally then the VICR owners will be able to claim their ownership in the physical company if they wish to do so, but we can't guaranty and promise anything regarding to this - with those posts we only informed the community what we are up to regarding to this matter, and that we try our best to create a community driven DAC.





No, it won't be legal in the US -nor many other countries-. You can  create a coin and sell or distribute it as you like -at least until regulation in the US is established-. But a company, LLC or any other, is a different matter and subject to specific rules. In your case, you could create the company and own it yourselves, as an LLC, but you cannot distribute shares or ownership the way you intend to. And you do know that a US-registered company requires, by law, to file quarterly statements, I assume.

Furthermore, your whole business plan -as I understand it, since it is "explained" in such a convoluted way-, needs to be seriously restructured under very different an specific parameters, including, as paramount, a system (only "boots on the ground" will do) to filter any and all illegal activity BEFORE it happens. It cannot be done with tech alone. You would be victim of anyone in crypto simply by broadcasting a minor and calling the authorities. Your whole operation would be closed and you'll be liable for criminal and financial damages.

Finally, you hope to sign "top models" that are making a mint in FIAT to be paid in crypto, "tokens", whatever? Good luck with that.

Thank you for pointing out the issues with the securities offering. As we said we are not offering shares nor securities, the VICR contract owners could claim if they wish to do so the shares in the physical LLC. Would be such road to the ownership the breach of US securities laws? Some lawyers say it is, others say it is not. If it is not possible in the US, then we can implement the DAC in the UK.

We fully agree that the business plan is far from complete and we need experienced business professionals on board. We try our best to recruit them. We have just started this process, we are at the beginning of the road and lets hope experienced professionals will see potential in our technology and help us to take the network to the next level.

I agree about the issue of filtering. All sites have this issue. The main purpose of the trusted node concept in GadgetNet and the centralization to stop illegal content and to comply with laws and regulations. In a fully decentralized P2P streaming such filtering wouldn't be possible. We try to build a community here and we hope the community members will help us to monitor the content, especially that such content is close to a geek's heart.

Please note, the models will get paid in FAIT if they opt that cash out method. The partner site www.jizzmo.net will accept both FIAT and Bitcoin. The underlying crypto technology will be completely transparent to models and viewers.




legendary
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We received quite a few messages and questions regarding to the physical company and I just want to clarify

Our plan is to implement the structure which was posted in this thread earlier. We have been organizing the set-up, but we are still waiting further clarification to be certain that such structure is legal in the US and the business is not breach of US securities laws. Therefore, we can't guaranty and don't promise that the two tier structure will be implemented in the described way or it can go ahead at all. We are trying to organize a DAC, but we hear as many opinions as many lawyers we ask, and if such DAC is illegal in the US then we will have to organize it somewhere else, for example in the UK or Ireland.

We are not offering shares in a physical company with the VICR contract. If the structure can be implemented legally then the VICR owners will be able to claim their ownership in the physical company if they wish to do so, but we can't guaranty and promise anything regarding to this - with those posts we only informed the community what we are up to regarding to this matter, and that we try our best to create a community driven DAC.





No, it won't be legal in the US -nor many other countries-. You can  create a coin and sell or distribute it as you like -at least until regulation in the US is established-. But a company, LLC or any other, is a different matter and subject to specific rules. In your case, you could create the company and own it yourselves, as an LLC, but you cannot distribute shares or ownership the way you intend to. And you do know that a US-registered company requires, by law, to file quarterly statements, I assume.

Furthermore, your whole business plan -as I understand it, since it is "explained" in such a convoluted way-, needs to be seriously restructured under very different an specific parameters, including, as paramount, a system (only "boots on the ground" will do) to filter any and all illegal activity BEFORE it happens. It cannot be done with tech alone. You would be victim of anyone in crypto simply by broadcasting a minor and calling the authorities. Your whole operation would be closed and you'll be liable for criminal and financial damages.

Finally, you hope to sign "top models" that are making a mint in FIAT to be paid in crypto, "tokens", whatever? Good luck with that.
hero member
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I am a VICR owner, I had a few questions about the process and I had an (email) chat with the devs earlier today. I just want to put forward to other VICR owners or interested parties what was my suggestion regarding to the exchanges.

I think the devs are completely wrong about the exchange issue, this currency must be listed on the exchanges. I strongly believe that being listed on the exchanges is in the best interest of all coinholders. From models' viewpoint doesn't matter what the price is. After all, the models pay the 5% network fee after a FIAT amount upon cash out, in the meantime the network in my opinion has a tremendous potential if it really can serve real businesses, which means the price most likely will go up. There is a very limited supply of coin, and I think the price will increase from the current 0.333 without forcing the models to buy the coin for a USD 1.00  price. I understand the devs want to stabilise the price with a centralized control, but unfortunately the enforced USD 1.00 price prevents all further price increase. Perhaps the price would go to 2,3 or 4 USD, but we will never know if that's the case as the price is controlled with a centralized process.

Can VICR owners vote on this issue?


There are quite a few user requests about the exchanges. It seems there are more pros than cons for listing the coin on the exchanges.




OK, sounds good, lets do this then.

Have you seen this? http://bit.ly/1Uh35YF

Should the GadgetCoin development board use a Trusted Zone chip?


It should and we have been working on it. We tested this one http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/ARM/sama5.aspx?tab=overview and it seems this is a good choice.

The only reason we have not using it on the current board is that Trust Zone mcus were not available last year when we designed the development board. The new version will be with Trust Zone ARM.



I have just read the datasheet. LOL This mcu is a freak, it's fantastic.

http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/ARM/sama5.aspx?tab=overview

Did Atmel designed it specifically for your secure video use case? :-))))))

- Built in crypto, but not only symmetric, alsoasymmetric crypto
- Built in video decoder with h.264 and VP8
- Trust Zone

So called security experts are worried about software vulnerabilities only, while the most dangerous security vulnerabilities come from hardware hacks, and the only solution for that is Trust Zone.

Will you post the schematic for the new dev board?
sr. member
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A new VICR contract has been rolled out at US$ 30.00 unit prices to get 5% commission for 10 Hours video streaming and 90 ores deposit.
sr. member
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We will roll out a new contract in the next 1 hour. It requires a system update and the wallet will be offline for short period of time.

sr. member
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We received quite a few messages and questions regarding to the physical company and I just want to clarify

Our plan is to implement the structure which was posted in this thread earlier. We have been organizing the set-up, but we are still waiting further clarification to be certain that such structure is legal in the US and the business is not breach of US securities laws. Therefore, we can't guaranty and don't promise that the two tier structure will be implemented in the described way or it can go ahead at all. We are trying to organize a DAC, but we hear as many opinions as many lawyers we ask, and if such DAC is illegal in the US then we will have to organize it somewhere else, for example in the UK or Ireland.

We are not offering shares in a physical company with the VICR contract. If the structure can be implemented legally then the VICR owners will be able to claim their ownership in the physical company if they wish to do so, but we can't guaranty and promise anything regarding to this - with those posts we only informed the community what we are up to regarding to this matter, and that we try our best to create a community driven DAC.



sr. member
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will the combined small and large contracts still = 200k GDCish?

Yes, it will be a "max_sell_amount" field in the base contract and the system will stop accepting orders at 200k, and then no more coin will be issued until the 200k is burned.



There wont be anymore contracts after these ones for acquiring ore correct?

No, there won't be more VICR contracts. The streaming nodes will receive ores for streaming the video, but those ores will be at a later stage deposited once the VICR coins are gone and burned.

So no other ores will be convertible to GDC until all of the contract GDC is burned?

There won't be any more forging until the VICR related coins are burned, there will be a start time clause in the streaming nodes' contract. However please note if there are no streaming nodes then there is no live show streaming on the network. Once the video streaming start, the streaming nodes will be very important for the network and we need to incentives streaming nodes to broadcast the video. The network need the VICR contracts to set-up the streaming and the VICR owners need the streaming nodes to create an excellent user experience for viewers which will increase the trust in the network and consequently the price of GDC.


hero member
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will the combined small and large contracts still = 200k GDCish?

Yes, it will be a "max_sell_amount" field in the base contract and the system will stop accepting orders at 200k, and then no more coin will be issued until the 200k is burned.



There wont be anymore contracts after these ones for acquiring ore correct?

No, there won't be more VICR contracts. The streaming nodes will receive ores for streaming the video, but those ores will be at a later stage deposited once the VICR coins are gone and burned.

So no other ores will be convertible to GDC until all of the contract GDC is burned?
sr. member
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will the combined small and large contracts still = 200k GDCish?

Yes, it will be a "max_sell_amount" field in the base contract and the system will stop accepting orders at 200k, and then no more coin will be issued until the 200k is burned.



There wont be anymore contracts after these ones for acquiring ore correct?

No, there won't be more VICR contracts. The streaming nodes will receive ores for streaming the video, but those ores will be at a later stage deposited once the VICR coins are gone and burned.
hero member
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will the combined small and large contracts still = 200k GDCish?

Yes, it will be a "max_sell_amount" field in the base contract and the system will stop accepting orders at 200k, and then no more coin will be issued until the 200k is burned.



There wont be anymore contracts after these ones for acquiring ore correct?
sr. member
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will the combined small and large contracts still = 200k GDCish?

Yes, it will be a "max_sell_amount" field in the base contract and the system will stop accepting orders at 200k, and then no more coin will be issued until the 200k is burned.

sr. member
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what is the story with the exchanges? when the models are active we can easily achieve the USD 5 price, but we need to be on the exchanges. without the exchanges a higher price never going to happen.

btw, my transaction is completed but I haven't received my ores.

Yes, we will be on the exchanges permit that an exchange will list this completely new blockchain.

Please double check your ore balance. The system completed all deposits about 30 minutes ago and all users should have received it.

hero member
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will the combined small and large contracts still = 200k GDCish?
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what is the story with the exchanges? when the models are active we can easily achieve the USD 5 price, but we need to be on the exchanges. without the exchanges a higher price never going to happen.

btw, my transaction is completed but I haven't received my ores.
sr. member
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We have received many user requests regarding a lower priced VICR contract. The main purpose of the VICR contract is to build a community and get new users into P2P video streaming technology, and we understand the 1.1 BTC price currently prevents many users from being involved with GadgetNet tech. So we are rolling out a 10 hours VICR contract which will cost around 0.11 BTC.
The new contract will be available tomorrow.
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zsp
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Is there another way to invest in the company besides buying VICR contracts?

Currently it is only via VICR contracts and please let us know if you have any suggestions or questions regarding to the alternatives.

We want to build a DAC with people who are interested in digital currency, IoT and the GadgetNet idea, an I imagine there will be share options for supporters who market this idea or provide technical support, but there is nothing finalized about that and such expansion of ownership will be the decision of the shareholders of the DAC.

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