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sr. member
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Ooh La La, C'est Zoom!
But to safe you time my questions are about taxation, if there is the need to open up a legal entity if i want to conduct business with Giga based on the different type of options (renting out the space or operating my own miner), all under the premises of NOT being a US citizen nor green card holder.   

It seems that you have questions about tax issues/concerns for an international company where the management team resides in one jurisdiction (aka country) and the physical assets exist in another. Rather than relying on the internet for advice from people you do not know on subjects that they may not know, you would probably be best served by retaining a tax attorney or firm that is well versed in these kinds of entities and situations.
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Can rented tokens be traded on a exchange by the token owner?

Assuming that WTT becomes tradeable.
sr. member
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Maybe a fed.

I don't think the mining operation falls into any jurisdiction because, as a miner, you are paid in virtual coins that are not regulated by any international law for the time being.



Well that is not quite right. This may be applying to most countries even america, but there are a lot of countries that have cryptocurrencies defined and under restriction/regulation, as well as the creation and training, be it day trading or accepting it as a payment for a good. 

One example.

Mining falls under creation of wealth (company tax 15%)
If the coin you mine today raises in value until you exchange it, this gain has to be added on your creation of wealth. (15% regular tax)
If you do it more than once, it falls under the intend of making money and you are again legally bound to open a company for this procedure. No chance to say I do it privately
If you mine a coin today, and you sell it its 19% VAT you have to pay.
If you payout a mined coin, its 15% company gain tax, 19% VAT and the future speculation "profit" you might have falls under 25% trading tax.


This is just one country I am working in.  (Pardon my no 100% right words)



The regulation of crypto is a lot further than most people realize. We are way to focused on America with their struggle to regulate it....   
Giga-watt operates in the u.s. the only taxation here is when you cash out crypto to fiat, 15% capital gains tax under 400k per year, 33% if above 400k.

They don't know where you live, and wouldn't be reporting to your government.  The only person who could report it to your government (s) would be you and in which case if you're operating in multiple countries claim all profit in the one with the least issues.

*This is not an advocate to tax evasion.
sr. member
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Tax Attorney - Investor - Entrepreneur

I don't think the mining operation falls into any jurisdiction because, as a miner, you are paid in virtual coins that are not regulated by any international law for the time being.



Well that is not quite right. This may be applying to most countries even america, but there are a lot of countries that have cryptocurrencies defined and under restriction/regulation, as well as the creation and training, be it day trading or accepting it as a payment for a good. 

One example.

Mining falls under creation of wealth (company tax 15%)
If the coin you mine today raises in value until you exchange it, this gain has to be added on your creation of wealth. (15% regular tax)
If you do it more than once, it falls under the intend of making money and you are again legally bound to open a company for this procedure. No chance to say I do it privately
If you mine a coin today, and you sell it its 19% VAT you have to pay.
If you payout a mined coin, its 15% company gain tax, 19% VAT and the future speculation "profit" you might have falls under 25% trading tax.


This is just one country I am working in.  (Pardon my no 100% right words)



The regulation of crypto is a lot further than most people realize. We are way to focused on America with their struggle to regulate it....   
sr. member
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Ok I done with this Shit...



I and others have posted easy questions that EVERY business should be able to answer, unless they are kids having a lemonade stand  Angry


Referring to your customer support via email is nice but for god sake you should reply in that case...

I have been waiting for a reply for ages now HERE and VIA EMAIL....


Very unprofessional.  


I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE TO STAY AWAY

How about reading the white papers once and browse through this forum? I'm sure your questions have their answers here on this forum. You make references to kids, but you pretty much act like one.




No i don't. And your post shows that you did not even take the time to scroll back a couple of pages to actually read what my questions are about. With my small post count, it should have been more than easy to find the few posts I made in this thread.

But to safe you time my questions are about taxation, if there is the need to open up a legal entity if i want to conduct business with Giga based on the different type of options (renting out the space or operating my own miner), all under the premises of NOT being a US citizen nor green card holder.   

I can operate my management and HQ in germany, place my miners in holland or sweden and oh shit, I need to open a legal entity in sweden or holland as well and not just in germany.
Even though I just rent/buy some electricity/space.
The miners would count as a production place and therefore the colocation (I placed the miners in) needs to make sure I am registered, otherwise they would support illegal activities in their halls.....



My questions are far deeper than the infos provided in some stupid white paper, where they explain how they will build the pods, rent out token, what value the tokens will have, where to buy and sell them or whatever general infos you can think off.



Every business should know what its customers shall be, and also check for their own security, if they allow or under what premises they conduct business with each customer.

There is a reason most banks stopped business relation with US citizen even though "it could be up to the client" to make sure everything is legal according to their laws.   If I conduct business with someone, I need to know if it can fall back on me because of some foreign laws... If you do not check that first before you start collecting money, its not just risky for the client (he can check that its legal according to the own laws) but also for the business and ALL shareholders. 


If they get bankrupt because of lawsuits you wouldn't be happy to see your money gone because they conducted business with people they should simply not have done business with.... 




I don't think the mining operation falls into any jurisdiction because, as a miner, you are paid in virtual coins that are not regulated by any international law for the time being.
newbie
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ok giga watt, you've lost me! I've asked you now several times the same question and you keep ignoring it. There is no reason to not answer these questions in this forum - too fishy for me.

Good luck for the rest!
sr. member
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Tax Attorney - Investor - Entrepreneur
Ok I done with this Shit...



I and others have posted easy questions that EVERY business should be able to answer, unless they are kids having a lemonade stand  Angry


Referring to your customer support via email is nice but for god sake you should reply in that case...

I have been waiting for a reply for ages now HERE and VIA EMAIL....


Very unprofessional.  


I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE TO STAY AWAY

How about reading the white papers once and browse through this forum? I'm sure your questions have their answers here on this forum. You make references to kids, but you pretty much act like one.




No i don't. And your post shows that you did not even take the time to scroll back a couple of pages to actually read what my questions are about. With my small post count, it should have been more than easy to find the few posts I made in this thread.

But to safe you time my questions are about taxation, if there is the need to open up a legal entity if i want to conduct business with Giga based on the different type of options (renting out the space or operating my own miner), all under the premises of NOT being a US citizen nor green card holder.   

I can operate my management and HQ in germany, place my miners in holland or sweden and oh shit, I need to open a legal entity in sweden or holland as well and not just in germany.
Even though I just rent/buy some electricity/space.
The miners would count as a production place and therefore the colocation (I placed the miners in) needs to make sure I am registered, otherwise they would support illegal activities in their halls.....



My questions are far deeper than the infos provided in some stupid white paper, where they explain how they will build the pods, rent out token, what value the tokens will have, where to buy and sell them or whatever general infos you can think off.



Every business should know what its customers shall be, and also check for their own security, if they allow or under what premises they conduct business with each customer.

There is a reason most banks stopped business relation with US citizen even though "it could be up to the client" to make sure everything is legal according to their laws.   If I conduct business with someone, I need to know if it can fall back on me because of some foreign laws... If you do not check that first before you start collecting money, its not just risky for the client (he can check that its legal according to the own laws) but also for the business and ALL shareholders. 


If they get bankrupt because of lawsuits you wouldn't be happy to see your money gone because they conducted business with people they should simply not have done business with.... 


newbie
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Cryptonomos,

Can you get me a phone contact for the exec team at Giga Watt?  I am looking to purchase an entire Giga Pod.

Thanks, KJS.


Please contact [email protected] for this type of request. Thank you
sr. member
Activity: 265
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Ok I done with this Shit...



I and others have posted easy questions that EVERY business should be able to answer, unless they are kids having a lemonade stand  Angry


Referring to your customer support via email is nice but for god sake you should reply in that case...

I have been waiting for a reply for ages now HERE and VIA EMAIL....


Very unprofessional.  


I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE TO STAY AWAY

How about reading the white papers once and browse through this forum? I'm sure your questions have their answers here on this forum. You make references to kids, but you pretty much act like one.
newbie
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WITH Giga Watt you will stop believing in luck and count on real use facts and defined plan. It's a token that gives you rental power for 50 years at world class costs. PEOPLE ARE INSANE FOR NOT JOINING THIS ICO. It's amazing.

Yeah, if its legit. The guys at giga watt are not saying anything, email to support gets nothing. You'd think they would reply if they want you to invest.


[email protected] is best to accommodate any questions asked but you are more than welcome to ask questions on this forum so that we can get them answered for you. 
newbie
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Merit: 0
Ok I done with this Shit...



I and others have posted easy questions that EVERY business should be able to answer, unless they are kids having a lemonade stand  Angry


Referring to your customer support via email is nice but for god sake you should reply in that case...

I have been waiting for a reply for ages now HERE and VIA EMAIL....


Very unprofessional.   


I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE TO STAY AWAY


Is there a specific question you needed answered??  We apologize for the delay in response. We are currently building our online support team to be able to accommodate as many forums and online support as possible since there are numerous out there.  Please feel free to repost any questions you have or email [email protected] 

Thank you for your concern.
jr. member
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WITH Giga Watt you will stop believing in luck and count on real use facts and defined plan. It's a token that gives you rental power for 50 years at world class costs. PEOPLE ARE INSANE FOR NOT JOINING THIS ICO. It's amazing.

Yeah, if its legit. The guys at giga watt are not saying anything, email to support gets nothing. You'd think they would reply if they want you to invest.
member
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This ico gets too little attention. Should have been to an end by now.

Hardware backed
Real use
Affordable mining.

Check.
Good luck to you. You will need it.

NO! I have the same questions and many others likely too, so save your time and post your replies here!!!

They won't, guess why?
sr. member
Activity: 420
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Tax Attorney - Investor - Entrepreneur
Ok I done with this Shit...



I and others have posted easy questions that EVERY business should be able to answer, unless they are kids having a lemonade stand  Angry


Referring to your customer support via email is nice but for god sake you should reply in that case...

I have been waiting for a reply for ages now HERE and VIA EMAIL....


Very unprofessional.   


I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE TO STAY AWAY
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I have two questions regarding renting out WTT tokens.
Is there a virtual rental agreement where we can specify the duration of the agreement?
As the token owner, can I terminate the rental agreement anytime if I wanted to utilize the rented tokens for my own miner?



I think it actually said in the whitepaper, that you as a token owner can cancel a loan at any time.
Thanks. That's good to hear because I would need my rented tokens to be un-rented when my L3+ arrives.  Grin
sr. member
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Maybe a fed.
you could always just email the GW support staff directly with your questions and share your findings here, of course. I had emailed them direct and found the responses to be very quick (same day) and helpful.

it's too hard for people Sad
sr. member
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Maybe a fed.
I have two questions regarding renting out WTT tokens.
Is there a virtual rental agreement where we can specify the duration of the agreement?
As the token owner, can I terminate the rental agreement anytime if I wanted to utilize the rented tokens for my own miner?



I think it actually said in the whitepaper, that you as a token owner can cancel a loan at any time.
newbie
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you could always just email the GW support staff directly with your questions and share your findings here, of course. I had emailed them direct and found the responses to be very quick (same day) and helpful.
newbie
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Dave, Cryptonomos Hello,

I am interested in buying tens to hundreds of thousands of WTT. At first I was quite excited with your idea but after careful examination I'm not so sure and I have some serious questions about your business model.

1. If space requirement for mining equipment doubles per 1W of power due to Moore's law in semiconductor manufacturing advances. Power consumption of chips drops down significantly with each generation. I have the following question.
For Example:
Currently some Mining GPU setup is taking 60x60x60 cm of space and consumes 1Kw/h of electricity.
In two years if equipment is upgraded to latest models that will require TWO GPU setups of 60x60x60 cm for the same 1Kw/h of electricity.

To meet your obligations to WTT token holders, Will Giga-Watt build new Giga-pods on a constant basis and allocate the additional space required for equipment upgrades on demand every couple of years for 50 years ?!?

2. Will Giga-Watt provide some storage to customers for spare parts for mining equipment that will wear out?
3. What about Network bandwidth? How much is provided with each 1W of power? Is there an option to buy more bandwidth?
4. What are the moisute levels in the area of the Giga-Watt pods? What is the effect on equipment from your experience? Is there rust after 1-2 years of operation?
5. You say you can meet customers custom demands. Why are you not providing your co-location customers the ability for remote access to their equipment hosted at your facilities?
Are your customers able to manage their hosted mining hardware themselves and have full control of it?
The equipment is managed by professionals with years of experience in mining.
They understand what is profitable to mine now, which pool is more profitable, etc.
They can quickly repair equipment.
We are in the same boat, the more profitable for you, the more profitable for Giga Watt.
So your technicians will decide what is profitable to mine on behalf of your customers and on their equipment? What is this??
You say repeatedly throughout the thread that customers can choose what coins they mine. Then you say exactly the opposite.

6. On the below comment you state there are not set up fees. But later in this thread you stated there is one time setup fee of $20 for aciscs and $40 for GPU rigs. Are there any other Hidden fees?
Otherwise i see no real difference to cloud mining.
First and foremost it is our transparency. Giga Watt's facility is a real-life tangible project which you can tour if you attend our Open House, which we hold twice a month. Giga Watt's customers own the specific equipment: They know their serial numbers and can see them on the shelves in the unit. Another advantage is that Giga Watt's customers purchase their equipment at cost, without any markup, pay zero setup fees and extremely low effective electricity and maintenance fees: just 2.8c и 0.5c per kW/h respectively.

7. Who are "retail customers"? Customers who buy full turnkey mining or WTT token holders?
From https://cryptonomos.com/wtt/faq
"Does Giga Watt only mine bitcoins?
Giga Watt mines all scalable cryptocurrencies: BTC, LTC, ETH/MONERO/ZCASH/DASH. The decision of what currency to mine is made by the customers who own the mining equipment. But at this stage it is technically impossible to offer all of these options to retail customers. Giga Watt is working on the solution, and hopefully in the future this option will be offered. At this point retail customers can mine only BTC, ETH, and LTC."

8. If you don't provide your customers with remote access to their equipment. How can your customers be sure you are not overclocking their equipment for  for 10-15% to your advantage (especially GPU setups) in expense of the lifetime of the equipment?
9. Cryptonomos. Who are you? What is your name? Would be nice to know who are we talking to. Are you a Cryptonomos or Giga-Watt employee? I you rather prefer to remain anonymous. Please ask Dave Carlson to answer these questions from his account here on BitcoinTalk.
10. What exactly is included in $0.5 cents maintenance fee? Which kind of work/procedures?
11. If I decide to power off my miners for a period of time. Will there be any charges? Since I paid for the rent for 50 year ahead can I store my miners there even if they are offline as how much as I need?

Unless you can provide satisfying answers to the above questions, Especially question 1 and 5. I will unfortunately have to pass on your business proposal.

The ability for me to fully control my hosted hardware via remote access is a "To be or not to be" type of issue.

Best Regards.




Due to the specifics of your questions, please refer these questions to [email protected].

NO! I have the same questions and many others likely too, so save your time and post your replies here!!!
newbie
Activity: 23
Merit: 0
Dave, Cryptonomos Hello,

I am interested in buying tens to hundreds of thousands of WTT. At first I was quite excited with your idea but after careful examination I'm not so sure and I have some serious questions about your business model.

1. If space requirement for mining equipment doubles per 1W of power due to Moore's law in semiconductor manufacturing advances. Power consumption of chips drops down significantly with each generation. I have the following question.
For Example:
Currently some Mining GPU setup is taking 60x60x60 cm of space and consumes 1Kw/h of electricity.
In two years if equipment is upgraded to latest models that will require TWO GPU setups of 60x60x60 cm for the same 1Kw/h of electricity.

To meet your obligations to WTT token holders, Will Giga-Watt build new Giga-pods on a constant basis and allocate the additional space required for equipment upgrades on demand every couple of years for 50 years ?!?

2. Will Giga-Watt provide some storage to customers for spare parts for mining equipment that will wear out?
3. What about Network bandwidth? How much is provided with each 1W of power? Is there an option to buy more bandwidth?
4. What are the moisute levels in the area of the Giga-Watt pods? What is the effect on equipment from your experience? Is there rust after 1-2 years of operation?
5. You say you can meet customers custom demands. Why are you not providing your co-location customers the ability for remote access to their equipment hosted at your facilities?
Are your customers able to manage their hosted mining hardware themselves and have full control of it?
The equipment is managed by professionals with years of experience in mining.
They understand what is profitable to mine now, which pool is more profitable, etc.
They can quickly repair equipment.
We are in the same boat, the more profitable for you, the more profitable for Giga Watt.
So your technicians will decide what is profitable to mine on behalf of your customers and on their equipment? What is this??
You say repeatedly throughout the thread that customers can choose what coins they mine. Then you say exactly the opposite.

6. On the below comment you state there are not set up fees. But later in this thread you stated there is one time setup fee of $20 for aciscs and $40 for GPU rigs. Are there any other Hidden fees?
Otherwise i see no real difference to cloud mining.
First and foremost it is our transparency. Giga Watt's facility is a real-life tangible project which you can tour if you attend our Open House, which we hold twice a month. Giga Watt's customers own the specific equipment: They know their serial numbers and can see them on the shelves in the unit. Another advantage is that Giga Watt's customers purchase their equipment at cost, without any markup, pay zero setup fees and extremely low effective electricity and maintenance fees: just 2.8c и 0.5c per kW/h respectively.

7. Who are "retail customers"? Customers who buy full turnkey mining or WTT token holders?
From https://cryptonomos.com/wtt/faq
"Does Giga Watt only mine bitcoins?
Giga Watt mines all scalable cryptocurrencies: BTC, LTC, ETH/MONERO/ZCASH/DASH. The decision of what currency to mine is made by the customers who own the mining equipment. But at this stage it is technically impossible to offer all of these options to retail customers. Giga Watt is working on the solution, and hopefully in the future this option will be offered. At this point retail customers can mine only BTC, ETH, and LTC."

8. If you don't provide your customers with remote access to their equipment. How can your customers be sure you are not overclocking their equipment for  for 10-15% to your advantage (especially GPU setups) in expense of the lifetime of the equipment?
9. Cryptonomos. Who are you? What is your name? Would be nice to know who are we talking to. Are you a Cryptonomos or Giga-Watt employee? I you rather prefer to remain anonymous. Please ask Dave Carlson to answer these questions from his account here on BitcoinTalk.
10. What exactly is included in $0.5 cents maintenance fee? Which kind of work/procedures?
11. If I decide to power off my miners for a period of time. Will there be any charges? Since I paid for the rent for 50 year ahead can I store my miners there even if they are offline as how much as I need?

Unless you can provide satisfying answers to the above questions, Especially question 1 and 5. I will unfortunately have to pass on your business proposal.

The ability for me to fully control my hosted hardware via remote access is a "To be or not to be" type of issue.

Best Regards.




Due to the specifics of your questions, please refer these questions to [email protected].
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