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Topic: [ANN] [HVC] Heavycoin - Ultra-secure, Decentralized Block Reward Voting, Fast - page 33. (Read 542276 times)

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Yes but that is what is being questioned as it doesn't add up.  It appears you just confirmed that page is wrong and both the mint and limit phase will go on longer then this page says.

If we get this correct:
Website says 45 Million coins in mint phase but code is 53 Million coins which means we have more inflation and the mint phase will go on even longer with high votes. Unless this 53M is the combination of 5M IPO, 3M Premine plus 45M mint phase which would add up to 53M.

you are confused. there are only 3 phases of voting. the genesis block is part of the first phase, but not mined. the 53M includes the IPO.  website correctly shows that only 45M are mined in mint phase.

Website says both 45 days for limit phase and also says 63,476 blocks which would be 88.1 days.  Code says 88.1 days so again we have a longer limit phase with high votes.

no. the website says 56 days for limit phase, not 45 days.
website has a typo... says 56 days, but should say 88.1. we will update this!

no matter... the max supply introduced is calculated based on # of blocks, which is correct on website.

max supply introduced during limit phase is 64,999,424, as presented on website.

the duration of the limit phase does not depend on the amount voted. the duration is approximately 63,476x120sec ~ 88.1 days. limit phase is in blocks, not money supply.

the max vote for the last 3600 blocks of the limit phase is 8. during this time the reward could be 1024 or 0 and 42... no matter, the time per block will be 120sec.

Yea that was a typo on my part. I did correctly say 56 days in a few other posts.
Kind of had the feeling the 53M included the IPO and Premine so this is good news.

Agreed the limit phase is not based on money supply but:
The difference between the 88.1 days and 56 days is 23,156 blocks
56 days would have been 40320 blocks. 63,476-40,320 = 23,156 extra blocks at approximately 687 coins per block.

That's still an extra 15,908,172 coins no one anticipated.

16 million additional coins that no one thought existed does sort of devalue what people are already holding.  Not the end of the world however.

Great news is that everything is working correctly and no code changes are needed. It's just a shame this was mis-communicated on the website and threads previously.

Anyway, thank you very much for the clarification!

Much appreciated,
Carlo
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Yes but that is what is being questioned as it doesn't add up.  It appears you just confirmed that page is wrong and both the mint and limit phase will go on longer then this page says.

If we get this correct:
Website says 45 Million coins in mint phase but code is 53 Million coins which means we have more inflation and the mint phase will go on even longer with high votes. Unless this 53M is the combination of 5M IPO, 3M Premine plus 45M mint phase which would add up to 53M.

you are confused. there are only 3 phases of voting. the genesis block is part of the first phase, but not mined. the 53M includes the IPO.  website correctly shows that only 45M are mined in mint phase.

Website says both 45 days for limit phase and also says 63,476 blocks which would be 88.1 days.  Code says 88.1 days so again we have a longer limit phase with high votes.

no. the website says 56 days for limit phase, not 45 days.
website has a typo... says 56 days, but should say 88.1. we will update this!

no matter... the max supply introduced is calculated based on # of blocks, which is correct on website.

max supply introduced during limit phase is 64,999,424, as presented on website.

the duration of the limit phase does not depend on the amount voted. the duration is approximately 63,476x120sec ~ 88.1 days. limit phase is in blocks, not money supply.

the max vote for the last 3600 blocks of the limit phase is 8. during this time the reward could be 1024 or 0 and 42... no matter, the time per block will be 120sec.

Thank you for the correction/update. Good to know the limit phase is closer to 3 months rather than less than 2.
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Yes but that is what is being questioned as it doesn't add up.  It appears you just confirmed that page is wrong and both the mint and limit phase will go on longer then this page says.

If we get this correct:
Website says 45 Million coins in mint phase but code is 53 Million coins which means we have more inflation and the mint phase will go on even longer with high votes. Unless this 53M is the combination of 5M IPO, 3M Premine plus 45M mint phase which would add up to 53M.

you are confused. there are only 3 phases of voting. the genesis block is part of the first phase, but not mined. the 53M includes the IPO.  website correctly shows that only 45M are mined in mint phase.

Website says both 45 days for limit phase and also says 63,476 blocks which would be 88.1 days.  Code says 88.1 days so again we have a longer limit phase with high votes.

no. the website says 56 days for limit phase, not 45 days.
website has a typo... says 56 days, but should say 88.1. we will update this!

no matter... the max supply introduced is calculated based on # of blocks, which is correct on website.

max supply introduced during limit phase is 64,999,424, as presented on website.

the duration of the limit phase does not depend on the amount voted. the duration is approximately 63,476x120sec ~ 88.1 days. limit phase is in blocks, not money supply.

the max vote for the last 3600 blocks of the limit phase is 8. during this time the reward could be 1024 or 0 and 42... no matter, the time per block will be 120sec.
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Hey guys,

Ok - server time is May 26, 2014, 01:04:27 PM as of this post.

The Trivia comp is now closed - thanks to everyone who participated - I will be announcing winners around this time tomorrow.


Anything you enjoyed, or hated, about this comp - let me know Smiley

Cheers,
M
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I would like to see limited phase to be a year or so with lower limit vote (~100)... so at the end 128M limit should be kept, but i know its prolly to late now Sad
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The equation you are looking for

Code:
main.h:62:static const int64 MAX_MONEY = (PHASE1_MONEY + PHASE2_BLOCKS*MAX_VOTE + (nBlockRewardVoteSpan + 1)*MAX_VOTE + PHASE3_MONEY) * COIN;

Missing from your calculations is (nBlockRewardVoteSpan + 1)*MAX_VOTE
A special voting interval needed to make sure the block reward decreases from 1024 down to 8 before the sustain phase starts; otherwise you could start the sustain phase with 1024 block reward, which would be bad...

you gets

Code:
MAX_MONEY = 53000000 + (63476 - 3600 - 1)*1024 + 3601*1024 + 10000000 + 576 = 128,000,000

This has been on the "About" page from day one: https://heavycoin.github.io/about.html#decentralised-voting


Yes but that is what is being questioned as it doesn't add up.  It appears you just confirmed that page is wrong and both the mint and limit phase will go on longer then this page says.

If we get this correct:
Website says 45 Million coins in mint phase but code is 53 Million coins which means we have more inflation and the mint phase will go on even longer with high votes. Unless this 53M is the combination of 5M IPO, 3M Premine plus 45M mint phase which would add up to 53M.

Website says both 45 days for limit phase and also says 63,476 blocks which would be 88.1 days.  Code says 88.1 days so again we have a longer limit phase with high votes.

If this is not correct then please clarify so everyone understands.  If in fact the code is not doing what everyone was told and published on the website are we going to get this fixed?

Thanks
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The 8 million difference is the IPO/Premine is it not?

The IPO/Premine was 8,000,000 coins total. Hmmm,  need to check that.

But still doesn't address the limit phase block difference.

Yeah, with 45 mil in the Mint phase and just over 10 mil in the sustain phase and a minimum supply of 63 mil (if 0 vote through limit phase) leaves 8 mil for IPO/Bounties/Developement ect. I am also curious as to the block count issue brought up as that doesn't add up.

IPO/Premine (Fixed) = 8,000,000
Mint (Fixed) = 45,000,000
Limit (max vote) = ( 59,876 * 1024 ) + ( 3600 * 8 ) = ( 61,313,024 + 28800 ) = 61,341,824
Sustain (Fixed) = 10,000,576

Max Total Supply = 124,342,400

For limit phase either....
block count is off,
the days are off,
or the block time is off.

Based on 56 days with 2 min block time...
3600 * 8 = 28,800
36720 * 1024 = 37,601,280
Total Limit = 37,630,080
Total Supply = 100,630,656

The equation you are looking for

Code:
main.h:62:static const int64 MAX_MONEY = (PHASE1_MONEY + PHASE2_BLOCKS*MAX_VOTE + (nBlockRewardVoteSpan + 1)*MAX_VOTE + PHASE3_MONEY) * COIN;

Missing from your calculations is (nBlockRewardVoteSpan + 1)*MAX_VOTE
A special voting interval needed to make sure the block reward decreases from 1024 down to 8 before the sustain phase starts; otherwise you could start the sustain phase with 1024 block reward, which would be bad...

you gets

Code:
MAX_MONEY = 53000000 + (63476 - 3600 - 1)*1024 + 3601*1024 + 10000000 + 576 = 128,000,000

This has been on the "About" page from day one: https://heavycoin.github.io/about.html#decentralised-voting

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The second phase (Limit) allows a maximum vote of 1024 HVC for the first 59,876 blocks, but 8 HVC for the last ~3,600 blocks so it can transition into to the last phase (Sustain).
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static const int64 PHASE1_MONEY = 53000000; // 45,000,000 (min 30D, max 171Y)
static const int64 PHASE2_BLOCKS = 63476 - nBlockRewardVoteSpan - 1; // 44D (min 0, max 64,948,224)


Just curious, but what is nBlockRewardVoteSpan set to any ideas?
If it happens to be 23,155 then that would be correct.


Code:
main.cpp:1182:        nBlockRewardVoteSpan = 3600; // Tally votes every 5 days
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FUN > ROI
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Repost

@keccak512

Is there any chance DarkSend or CryptoNote could be implemented in Heavycoin?   Undecided

If Yes...  you need to drop this to the crypto community QUICK!!!   Wink

...just let us know so that we pull our 0.0001 HVC/BTC Asks first...

^^ this
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Ok i'll leave this to the code crackers. All i can do is continue to vote 0 at zhpool.  Grin

Yea we really just need keccek512 to give us a quick post explaining it.
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Ok i'll leave this to the code crackers. All i can do is continue to vote 0 at zhpool.  Grin
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static const int64 PHASE1_MONEY = 53000000; // 45,000,000 (min 30D, max 171Y)
static const int64 PHASE2_BLOCKS = 63476 - nBlockRewardVoteSpan - 1; // 44D (min 0, max 64,948,224)


Just curious, but what is nBlockRewardVoteSpan set to any ideas?
If it happens to be 23,155 then that would be correct.
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I don't think the vote count during the last 3600 blocks of Limit phase have any affect on that phase at all but is used to "setup" the sustain phase.
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The 8 million difference is the IPO/Premine is it not?

The IPO/Premine was 8,000,000 coins total. Hmmm,  need to check that.

But still doesn't address the limit phase block difference.

Yeah, with 45 mil in the Mint phase and just over 10 mil in the sustain phase and a minimum supply of 63 mil (if 0 vote through limit phase) leaves 8 mil for IPO/Bounties/Developement ect. I am also curious as to the block count issue brought up as that doesn't add up.

IPO/Premine (Fixed) = 8,000,000
Mint (Fixed) = 45,000,000
Limit (max vote) = ( 59,876 * 1024 ) + ( 3600 * 8 ) = ( 61,313,024 + 28800 ) = 61,341,824
Sustain (Fixed) = 10,000,576

Max Total Supply = 124,342,400

For limit phase either....
block count is off,
the days are off,
or the block time is off.

Based on 56 days with 2 min block time...
3600 * 8 = 28,800
36720 * 1024 = 37,601,280
Total Limit = 37,630,080
Total Supply = 100,630,656
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The 8 million difference is the IPO/Premine is it not?

The IPO/Premine was 8,000,000 coins total. Hmmm,  need to check that.

But still doesn't address the limit phase block difference.
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There's an upside if you are a miner.

The IPO just got smaller.  Grin
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But it's another 23m coins on top of a coin that has far too much inflation already.

And it most probably means another 100+ days of the coin getting devalued more and more with transaction volumes of 1/3,000th of DarkCoin and others. I'm sorry, I have been mining HVC since the start and holding them still, but I don't see the coin surving 100+ more days of what has been going on in the last few weeks.

I know a few ppl investing in HVC lately in expectation of this 1024 vote thing ending soon and I don't see this ending well if over the next 3 months we're gonna see another 50+m coins dumped onto the market.
That's more coins generated over the next 3 months than have been minted so far since the beginning, and the coin is already in an almost coma like state!

Actually there are people voting 1024 currently in order to get over the minting phase as soon as possible. But as it looks this minting phase de facto will go on for 100+ more days, no matter what they do. And I don't see this raising confidence in the coin.

Therefore it is my strong believe that actions from the developer have to take place to save this coin and turn it around and make the limit phase an actual limit phase and not keep the limit phase a renamed minting phase for all but the last 5 days.
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I don't have anything to add to the conversation about the coin phases for now, but I'm following with interest.

Well can you check with the developer why the website and also the comment in the code says 45m coins for mint phase but the actual the code says 53m please?
And why the site says 56 days for limit phase, when actually according to the number of blocks for the limit phase it's more than 88?

We really need to go into limit phase soon as it was originally intended and the limit phase really needs to limit the number of new coins in some way, and not keep things as they are up until to the last 5 days of the limit phase.

Hey man,

For sure, that's already the next thing on my to-do list.

I don't like to post when I ask the devs on the side to take a look at a post. I think I've done this once and Keccak had already responded by the time I sent him a message.

They are watching the forum, so I'm more a fail safe then the person to tell them when there's a conversation where we could use their input.

Cheers,
M

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