Topic: [ANN] HydroMining | Green Mining, environmentally friendly and profitable - page 33. (Read 40869 times)
October 25, 2017, 05:47:15 PM
@P4ndoraBox; agree. Home mining for surtenty.
October 25, 2017, 03:14:14 PM
My point of view about hydromining farm. ( I'm mostly french, I'm sure you'll understand anyway even if there are some typos )
Just before I start, I want you to know that I took in the meantime the video of their gpu farm, their promotional video, their whitepaper, and of course their website.
To cut simple, I understand their passion toward cryptocurrencies mining as I'm doing it personally myself at home. I'm into cryptocurrencies since around 5 years, and from my point of view I see more greeds in their project, than an actual will to fill the need of their investors.
I'll elaborate in which why I don't recommend to invest any money in it, and why.
Before I start, I just want you to know that my main value is honesty, and it's after I noticed a lot of lie and a lot of lack of knowledge from them that I think I could bring more trust into cryptocurrencies in general, because there are already too many scams.
Right on, let's start !
1. Website : https://www.hydrominer.org/
a) Current yearly ROI : 60%
My answer : Totally, WRONG. First, I'm personally mining, in Canada, with hydro-electricity, and GPUs as well. I have a rate of 0.072 USD per KWh. My Roi at the time is around 7 months. Basically, around 170-180% ROI. I don't even have a ''hydro company'' and already my numbers are higher. I can tell you in private with proof and number how I make it, with screenshots + selfies and everything you need.
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Cost Effective
By placing our mining equipment directly in hydro power stations in the Alps region, we have access to up to 85% lower energy prices than European average.
.''
Basically, how can they offer a such low ROI and say that they have 85% of lower energy prices ? That's totally wrong, again.
b) Nothing much to say else about the website
2. Promotionnal video
a) Professional video, they drank their coffee and put on their best suits and makeups so that could help raise more funds. Usual marketing way to look bigger than we usually are.
b) Hydro energies are green yes. You have to use the water current to naturally change it into electricity. The fact that they are saying they have a power station is clearly exagerating what is clearly a power station. You may google our canadian hydro-quebec power station. I have even noticed that in their promotionnal video at a point there is not even current in their ''pond'' of water. So they basically can't rely on that energy 100% of the time.
c) Nice rigs though
3. Interview video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9cxWnp30o&t=776s
a) At around 10 minute the interviewer ask the makeup frontpage girl in which environment the miners work ( ex : windows ) and she wasn't even able to say it and throw the answers to someone else.
For 2 girls that are into cryptocurrencies since years, and that can't answer a simple question like that, is clearly showing me that the girls are used here to help promote their scam, as the same way to raise more money, more than they actually have the proper background to maintain a higher level of responsibilities towards the people fund.
b) Basically, they have a nice spot, I'll be fair about that. Thing is, they only have a small river, and the investment will remain nature dependant. So, not only you can have 365 days a year of mining, but they can't even give a decent ROI. ( Check website section above )
c) Clearly, at least, they have a hydro station. That show a bit of trust, even if numbers about ROI aren't, when that is supposed to be profitable.
4. Whitepaper : https://www.hydrominer.org/wp-content/uploads/HydroMiner.pdf
The fun begin, I hope that you are ready
a) If you decide to participate in the Token Sale as a form of investment, Hydrominer expressly warns you that an investment in H20 carries a high degree of risk. For a description of the risks associated, see the chapter ''RISKS FACTORS'' in the token offer document.
Seriously ? Since when mining is a high risk factor ? Trading has risk, mining hasn't. You may have a slower ROI, but you won't have RISK IN CAPS to take while mining. They honestly imply that they won't be responsible for anything that could happen to your money, despite they tell you it's one of the best investment you could make.
b) They say they are using Green energy... Well, most of the electricity is made via water in case you didn't know. So basically, electricity is green, from their point of view.
c) They want to use the funds to rent more power station, to get lower price than usual, that will be reflected in their wallet, because you will still have a low ROI. Who is the winner ? Them. Who is the last ? Investors.
d) Even after raising ICO price, they will take a 10% out of all of your mining gain. So basically, 2 years contract, 60% per year ROI, 120% for 2 years. That is the ''prevision'' and since nothing is already made for customers ( Like a cloud program that you can basically control your funds ) that is basically speculation.
e) They are working with Raphael Beaumond: Advisor
Raphael is an energy consultant based in Brussels. He is currently developing the negawatt
-
token to improve energy efficiency. Previously, Raphael has worked in project finance for
renewables, operational manager in the humanitarian
sector and as a data analyst for Google.
Additionally, he is contributing to the BioPhys Economics think tank.
Basically, that guy is working with Giga watt, and just search about them here on Bitcoin talk, tell me if their customers are happy ? Hydro miners is doing the same thing as them, and most of the customers hasn't even their equipment installed after 2 months of purchase, yeah proof : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1914900.0;topicseen
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Ok there are way more lies that you can find with more analyses, but I'm starting to miss some air and I think I did my part here.
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To conclude : If you want to start mining, do it at home. Even if your electricity rate seem higher than some other pretends, it will still be more profitable if you do it by yourself, and as opposite of their first page drawing, if you want it at home, you want an external shed or an empty appartment room. ( It is noisy, it is heaty )
Hydro miner teams want the biggest part of the pie, and it's ok, guess all humans are greedy. I just think that before you invest in some people that will gain the most out of your investment, to basically do it yourself on a small scale. You'll understand with real numbers that mostly all they imply to raise fund are fakes and that you'll have to wait a lot of months before seeing your cryptocurrencies back in your wallet.
I personally saw a lot of other ''cloud mining companies'' that tried the exact, same thing and investors were getting ripped off while the people who raised the funds are taking advantage of it.
Invest if you want, but I'm mostly sure you'll get in another cloud miningscam fraud.
edit :
As a regular customer, I pay my first 0.072$ USD for my electricity. To be more precise, the first 1,947 KW/h cost me 0.045 $ / Kw/H then it's 0.072 $ for the rest of the electricity consumption.
If I upgrade my ''scale'' and buy a commercial buy of hydro electricity, I can even get these rate lower.
I'm honestly starting to open my own business and bring more securities into cryptocurrencies for worldwide investor instead of trying to rip people cash off. On the longrun, there are way more money to make by being legit and honest.
Just before I start, I want you to know that I took in the meantime the video of their gpu farm, their promotional video, their whitepaper, and of course their website.
To cut simple, I understand their passion toward cryptocurrencies mining as I'm doing it personally myself at home. I'm into cryptocurrencies since around 5 years, and from my point of view I see more greeds in their project, than an actual will to fill the need of their investors.
I'll elaborate in which why I don't recommend to invest any money in it, and why.
Before I start, I just want you to know that my main value is honesty, and it's after I noticed a lot of lie and a lot of lack of knowledge from them that I think I could bring more trust into cryptocurrencies in general, because there are already too many scams.
Right on, let's start !
1. Website : https://www.hydrominer.org/
a) Current yearly ROI : 60%
My answer : Totally, WRONG. First, I'm personally mining, in Canada, with hydro-electricity, and GPUs as well. I have a rate of 0.072 USD per KWh. My Roi at the time is around 7 months. Basically, around 170-180% ROI. I don't even have a ''hydro company'' and already my numbers are higher. I can tell you in private with proof and number how I make it, with screenshots + selfies and everything you need.
''
Cost Effective
By placing our mining equipment directly in hydro power stations in the Alps region, we have access to up to 85% lower energy prices than European average.
.''
Basically, how can they offer a such low ROI and say that they have 85% of lower energy prices ? That's totally wrong, again.
b) Nothing much to say else about the website
2. Promotionnal video
a) Professional video, they drank their coffee and put on their best suits and makeups so that could help raise more funds. Usual marketing way to look bigger than we usually are.
b) Hydro energies are green yes. You have to use the water current to naturally change it into electricity. The fact that they are saying they have a power station is clearly exagerating what is clearly a power station. You may google our canadian hydro-quebec power station. I have even noticed that in their promotionnal video at a point there is not even current in their ''pond'' of water. So they basically can't rely on that energy 100% of the time.
c) Nice rigs though
3. Interview video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9cxWnp30o&t=776s
a) At around 10 minute the interviewer ask the makeup frontpage girl in which environment the miners work ( ex : windows ) and she wasn't even able to say it and throw the answers to someone else.
For 2 girls that are into cryptocurrencies since years, and that can't answer a simple question like that, is clearly showing me that the girls are used here to help promote their scam, as the same way to raise more money, more than they actually have the proper background to maintain a higher level of responsibilities towards the people fund.
b) Basically, they have a nice spot, I'll be fair about that. Thing is, they only have a small river, and the investment will remain nature dependant. So, not only you can have 365 days a year of mining, but they can't even give a decent ROI. ( Check website section above )
c) Clearly, at least, they have a hydro station. That show a bit of trust, even if numbers about ROI aren't, when that is supposed to be profitable.
4. Whitepaper : https://www.hydrominer.org/wp-content/uploads/HydroMiner.pdf
The fun begin, I hope that you are ready
a) If you decide to participate in the Token Sale as a form of investment, Hydrominer expressly warns you that an investment in H20 carries a high degree of risk. For a description of the risks associated, see the chapter ''RISKS FACTORS'' in the token offer document.
Seriously ? Since when mining is a high risk factor ? Trading has risk, mining hasn't. You may have a slower ROI, but you won't have RISK IN CAPS to take while mining. They honestly imply that they won't be responsible for anything that could happen to your money, despite they tell you it's one of the best investment you could make.
b) They say they are using Green energy... Well, most of the electricity is made via water in case you didn't know. So basically, electricity is green, from their point of view.
c) They want to use the funds to rent more power station, to get lower price than usual, that will be reflected in their wallet, because you will still have a low ROI. Who is the winner ? Them. Who is the last ? Investors.
d) Even after raising ICO price, they will take a 10% out of all of your mining gain. So basically, 2 years contract, 60% per year ROI, 120% for 2 years. That is the ''prevision'' and since nothing is already made for customers ( Like a cloud program that you can basically control your funds ) that is basically speculation.
e) They are working with Raphael Beaumond: Advisor
Raphael is an energy consultant based in Brussels. He is currently developing the negawatt
-
token to improve energy efficiency. Previously, Raphael has worked in project finance for
renewables, operational manager in the humanitarian
sector and as a data analyst for Google.
Additionally, he is contributing to the BioPhys Economics think tank.
Basically, that guy is working with Giga watt, and just search about them here on Bitcoin talk, tell me if their customers are happy ? Hydro miners is doing the same thing as them, and most of the customers hasn't even their equipment installed after 2 months of purchase, yeah proof : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1914900.0;topicseen
--------------------------
Ok there are way more lies that you can find with more analyses, but I'm starting to miss some air and I think I did my part here.
----
To conclude : If you want to start mining, do it at home. Even if your electricity rate seem higher than some other pretends, it will still be more profitable if you do it by yourself, and as opposite of their first page drawing, if you want it at home, you want an external shed or an empty appartment room. ( It is noisy, it is heaty )
Hydro miner teams want the biggest part of the pie, and it's ok, guess all humans are greedy. I just think that before you invest in some people that will gain the most out of your investment, to basically do it yourself on a small scale. You'll understand with real numbers that mostly all they imply to raise fund are fakes and that you'll have to wait a lot of months before seeing your cryptocurrencies back in your wallet.
I personally saw a lot of other ''cloud mining companies'' that tried the exact, same thing and investors were getting ripped off while the people who raised the funds are taking advantage of it.
Invest if you want, but I'm mostly sure you'll get in another cloud mining
edit :
As a regular customer, I pay my first 0.072$ USD for my electricity. To be more precise, the first 1,947 KW/h cost me 0.045 $ / Kw/H then it's 0.072 $ for the rest of the electricity consumption.
If I upgrade my ''scale'' and buy a commercial buy of hydro electricity, I can even get these rate lower.
I'm honestly starting to open my own business and bring more securities into cryptocurrencies for worldwide investor instead of trying to rip people cash off. On the longrun, there are way more money to make by being legit and honest.
October 25, 2017, 10:35:24 AM
Where does all this FUD come from anyway? Is there any new development with HydroMiner that I don't know about?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
These guys are here just to spread FUD! They only talk without any proof! As it was said here, more than once, HydroMiner is a legit firm which is already running and is profitable, unfortunately for all these heaters!
Unlike words, we have proof! You can arrange a tour, take a look at the facility, meet the team, ask questions you may have.
I think that real investors see the difference!
October 25, 2017, 08:03:07 AM
We have prepared Hydrominer ICO report. All the things you need to know about investment!
https://cointldr.com/hydrominer-report-25-10-2017
https://cointldr.com/hydrominer-report-25-10-2017
October 25, 2017, 04:31:59 AM
which side can i believe ? scam project or just FUDs
Just decide based on facts
Do your own research, come on Telegram to chat with the team. It's easy to say it's a scam. I know it's not. Telegram: https://t.me/Hydrominer
October 25, 2017, 04:28:37 AM
Where does all this FUD come from anyway? Is there any new development with HydroMiner that I don't know about?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
FUD comes after the changes of the token specification. From Profit Sharing to Mining Contracts. They haven't posted any evidences yet they are here to spread the Hate with the project. People tend to judge a project by comparing it to other fraudaulent cloud mining company. @Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
The main changes in operations were to prevent the H20 token from becoming a security token instead of a utility token. This altered the business operations a bit, but again we are being as transparent as possible by not withholding information and providing information. We *had* to move away from the dividend model as we had clear indication this would not work with Austrian regulations. The team can’t take legal risks or risk to have to return funds. You will see the same happening with many dividend tokens. HydroMiner is still unique and the best option.
October 25, 2017, 04:27:19 AM
Where does all this FUD come from anyway? Is there any new development with HydroMiner that I don't know about?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
It will be my pleasure to share with you how this project is a blatant scam tomorrow. Im going to sleep for now.
Scam? Really? This is the only project where you can schedule a tour and meet the team. I mean, what more do you want? HydroMiner is already mining and making profit. So the questions here is, who is paying you for fud?
If anyone is not certain, join telegram and discuss with the team your concerns. You can even meet them and see the facilities
October 24, 2017, 10:23:49 PM
Where does all this FUD come from anyway? Is there any new development with HydroMiner that I don't know about?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
It will be my pleasure to share with you how this project is a blatant scam tomorrow. Im going to sleep for now.
October 24, 2017, 03:41:23 PM
Where does all this FUD come from anyway? Is there any new development with HydroMiner that I don't know about?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
FUD comes after the changes of the token specification. From Profit Sharing to Mining Contracts. They haven't posted any evidences yet they are here to spread the Hate with the project. People tend to judge a project by comparing it to other fraudaulent cloud mining company. @Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
October 24, 2017, 03:35:09 PM
which side can i believe ? scam project or just FUDs
Dunno. I'm grabbing the popcorn and waiting until the ICO is over. If I decide to put some skin into this operation, it's after the token sale drama is past.
Please check this video from existing facility https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9cxWnp30o
Actually, you even can visit and check for yourself.
Also, you can see photos from new facilities on HydroMiner twitter https://twitter.com/hydro_miner
Hope that will help
October 24, 2017, 01:51:45 PM
which side can i believe ? scam project or just FUDs
Dunno. I'm grabbing the popcorn and waiting until the ICO is over. If I decide to put some skin into this operation, it's after the token sale drama is past.
October 24, 2017, 01:44:20 PM
Token sale is live and you have only few hours to get 20% bonus!
I like this ico!
I like this ico!
October 24, 2017, 12:19:29 PM
poor souls buying into this ICO..
Tobias Rathschiller is a red flag par excellence!
Tobias Rathschiller is a red flag par excellence!
October 24, 2017, 09:09:27 AM
HydroMiner team has just posted Smart Contract Details & Audit. Take a look: https://www.hydrominer.org/hydrominer-smart-contract-details-audit/
October 24, 2017, 09:03:23 AM
lol! such a scam!
Hydrominer is not a scam! They already have a mining facility which is operative. On top of that, even after the ICO, every ICO participant will be able to purchase H20 tokens once their mining time ends with the same bonus that they got during ICO, up to the amount of their initial contribution. Furthermore, it has a better hashrate per $ than other mining services, you can choose what currency you want to mine, or you can leave it to the team (they use an algorithm which determines which currency is most profitable for mining currently) and of course, it is better for the environment.
Pfuahaha... Like giga watts.
Everything on nice paper, nothing real.
And lol, the drawing showing girls in their appartment room with like 30 miners. Yeah like it would be convenient to have miners in the same room as you.
Two years contract...
Why guys don't you just buy actual real miners :p
I think I'll start my own scam too and put some chicks at the front page to raise more funds.
Guess we can still rip people off their btc and eth the easy way.
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Underwater mining technology incoming, right in the north of alaska so you can keep your stuff cool. One year contract, cause my company will be so profitable you will only need one year to achieve ROI.
DISCLAIMER :I cant guarantee you profit.
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Count me in. Can i be your ... scubaadvisor or something like that ?I have a LinkedIn profile
October 24, 2017, 05:05:22 AM
Hey guys.
Hydroming is on italian web TV.... they talking about the project!
This is the complete video on youtube. At minute 6.30 they start talking about it.
https://youtu.be/y2JasV3jb6M
Good very very good
Hydroming is on italian web TV.... they talking about the project!
This is the complete video on youtube. At minute 6.30 they start talking about it.
https://youtu.be/y2JasV3jb6M
Good very very good
Wooow.... that's very interesting.
Thanks piepu75 for this great news.... The interest in HydroMining project is very high all over the world.
Are you italian?
Oh yes, I'm from Italy and I follow the crypto world.
This webTv, Pandora TV https://www.pandoratv.it, is an italian indipendent web broadcast station that is focused in many arguments, among which the bitcoin and the world of cryptocurrencies.
They broadcast in italian and also in english language.
This is the Italian version of the video, which to date has over 5000 views:
https://youtu.be/ucL752J6puM
HydroMining is introduced syarting from minute 7:25
October 24, 2017, 03:37:28 AM
i want to know the status of the pre sale conducted. have the tokens were sold out?
and regarding the token sale now, what is the MINIMUM cap? you only indicated the hard cap in the op.
and regarding the token sale now, what is the MINIMUM cap? you only indicated the hard cap in the op.
Presale sold out in 36 minutes
THe minimum cap is already reached wow, then thats great. how much was that? i need details please.
Yeah, that is great. 1500 ETH in just 36 minutes. Currently, we are at 4659 ETH! So we are going strong!
thanks for answering. collecting 4659 eth is amazing, but it will be more amazing if you atleast reach 10,000 eth or more before the ico ends.
October 24, 2017, 03:25:34 AM
which side can i believe ? scam project or just FUDs
October 24, 2017, 03:15:36 AM
Where does all this FUD come from anyway? Is there any new development with HydroMiner that I don't know about?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
@Lucas Johannesburg, @P4ndoraBox - Any evidence for your claims?
October 23, 2017, 07:30:37 PM
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I hate to say what I am about to say...
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It would be more advisable to put some money into other SCAMS like Bitconnect instead of the fraudulent lying FAKE "HydroMining"
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