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September 26, 2016, 08:52:22 AM
in case you haven't notice - we posted two blog posts yesterday:

Legal - Part 1 written by Ervin, our legal lead

AND

ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) — UPDATE #1 about ICNX that measures the performance of cryptocurrencies that meet the ICONOMI eligibility criteria




Personally, I'd prefer index based solely on math formulas instead of people voting.
The voting will be based not only on the eligibility criteria but also their individual preferences.
It's nothing too complex to come up with formula based on a set of pre-defined criteria, so what do you need the comittee for? Politics...?
The comittee  could be used for criteria evaluation, but why for voting?

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The currency must be based on blockchain technology and traded on at least one of recognised exchanges: Poloniex, Kraken and Bittrex (additional exchanges might be added later).
The currency must have an underlying concept which ICONOMI estimates as viable in the long term.

These two criteria require people voting

If you remove the 2nd criteria, the iconomi vote, then the decision of what gets included in the index fund is still indirectly requiring the vote of the people who run poloniex, kraken, bittrex

They probably put that in so they can easily trade the funds they put in it so it Always be based on people voting.

Yes, maybe they need some flexibility in terms of what's being placed in the index, but people voting also means biased opinions which can create not-so-fair output.

How else would you set it up?  There has to be people voting to prevent a bad investment or a scam that temporarily pumps up to $50k daily volume and $1+ million market cap for 2 months from getting in there.  There was a time when paycoin would have fit the technical criteria to be included, for example

I guess you could argue that the vote could go to token holders instead of centralized committee



Do you suggest that existing equity indices are based on comittee voting, and it's impossible to develop automatic, fair index that anyone can calculate or verify, based on published formula? For instance, you can create an initial set of coins that will be taken into consideration at rebalancing, and that could be done by the comittee to exclude all so-called shitcoins. Then the remaining "blue-chips" could be evaluated automatically.
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September 26, 2016, 08:35:20 AM
in case you haven't notice - we posted two blog posts yesterday:

Legal - Part 1 written by Ervin, our legal lead

AND

ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) — UPDATE #1 about ICNX that measures the performance of cryptocurrencies that meet the ICONOMI eligibility criteria




Personally, I'd prefer index based solely on math formulas instead of people voting.
The voting will be based not only on the eligibility criteria but also their individual preferences.
It's nothing too complex to come up with formula based on a set of pre-defined criteria, so what do you need the comittee for? Politics...?
The comittee  could be used for criteria evaluation, but why for voting?

Quote
The currency must be based on blockchain technology and traded on at least one of recognised exchanges: Poloniex, Kraken and Bittrex (additional exchanges might be added later).
The currency must have an underlying concept which ICONOMI estimates as viable in the long term.

These two criteria require people voting

If you remove the 2nd criteria, the iconomi vote, then the decision of what gets included in the index fund is still indirectly requiring the vote of the people who run poloniex, kraken, bittrex

They probably put that in so they can easily trade the funds they put in it so it Always be based on people voting.

Yes, maybe they need some flexibility in terms of what's being placed in the index, but people voting also means biased opinions which can create not-so-fair output.

How else would you set it up?  There has to be people voting to prevent a bad investment or a scam that temporarily pumps up to $50k daily volume and $1+ million market cap for 2 months from getting in there.  There was a time when paycoin would have fit the technical criteria to be included, for example

I guess you could argue that the vote could go to token holders instead of centralized committee

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September 26, 2016, 08:31:00 AM
in case you haven't notice - we posted two blog posts yesterday:

Legal - Part 1 written by Ervin, our legal lead

AND

ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) — UPDATE #1 about ICNX that measures the performance of cryptocurrencies that meet the ICONOMI eligibility criteria




Personally, I'd prefer index based solely on math formulas instead of people voting.
The voting will be based not only on the eligibility criteria but also their individual preferences.
It's nothing too complex to come up with formula based on a set of pre-defined criteria, so what do you need the comittee for? Politics...?
The comittee  could be used for criteria evaluation, but why for voting?

Quote
The currency must be based on blockchain technology and traded on at least one of recognised exchanges: Poloniex, Kraken and Bittrex (additional exchanges might be added later).
The currency must have an underlying concept which ICONOMI estimates as viable in the long term.

These two criteria require people voting

If you remove the 2nd criteria, the iconomi vote, then the decision of what gets included in the index fund is still indirectly requiring the vote of the people who run poloniex, kraken, bittrex

They probably put that in so they can easily trade the funds they put in it so it Always be based on people voting.

Yes, maybe they need some flexibility in terms of what's being placed in the index, but people voting also means biased opinions which can create not-so-fair output.
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September 26, 2016, 08:27:55 AM
when does it go live on exchanges one week after ico?
sr. member
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September 26, 2016, 08:25:42 AM
in case you haven't notice - we posted two blog posts yesterday:

Legal - Part 1 written by Ervin, our legal lead

AND

ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) — UPDATE #1 about ICNX that measures the performance of cryptocurrencies that meet the ICONOMI eligibility criteria




Personally, I'd prefer index based solely on math formulas instead of people voting.
The voting will be based not only on the eligibility criteria but also their individual preferences.
It's nothing too complex to come up with formula based on a set of pre-defined criteria, so what do you need the comittee for? Politics...?
The comittee  could be used for criteria evaluation, but why for voting?

Quote
The currency must be based on blockchain technology and traded on at least one of recognised exchanges: Poloniex, Kraken and Bittrex (additional exchanges might be added later).
The currency must have an underlying concept which ICONOMI estimates as viable in the long term.

These two criteria require people voting

If you remove the 2nd criteria, the iconomi vote, then the decision of what gets included in the index fund is still indirectly requiring the vote of the people who run poloniex, kraken, bittrex

They probably put that in so they can easily trade the funds they put in it so it Always be based on people voting.
sr. member
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move that crypto
September 26, 2016, 08:18:25 AM
in case you haven't notice - we posted two blog posts yesterday:

Legal - Part 1 written by Ervin, our legal lead

AND

ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) — UPDATE #1 about ICNX that measures the performance of cryptocurrencies that meet the ICONOMI eligibility criteria




Personally, I'd prefer index based solely on math formulas instead of people voting.
The voting will be based not only on the eligibility criteria but also their individual preferences.
It's nothing too complex to come up with formula based on a set of pre-defined criteria, so what do you need the comittee for? Politics...?
The comittee  could be used for criteria evaluation, but why for voting?

Quote
The currency must be based on blockchain technology and traded on at least one of recognised exchanges: Poloniex, Kraken and Bittrex (additional exchanges might be added later).
The currency must have an underlying concept which ICONOMI estimates as viable in the long term.

These two criteria require people voting

If you remove the 2nd criteria, the iconomi vote, then the decision of what gets included in the index fund is still indirectly requiring the vote of the people who run poloniex, kraken, bittrex
sr. member
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September 26, 2016, 08:04:08 AM
If I was investor want out of the ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE would I sell my invest back to the company or could I sell it to somebody interested in the fund? As it is invite only.
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September 26, 2016, 07:59:14 AM
There are types of fund--CTF AND CMF, there is only one type of token-ICN
But I want to only buy CTF, is it possible?
Because I don't want to track the news of so many coins.
If I buy CTF, It means I buy a bucket of coins.

Yay, you can. That's the very point of it. Smiley
No need for ICN in that case. Index will provide a bucket for you.
sr. member
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September 26, 2016, 07:55:19 AM
There are types of fund--CTF AND CMF, there is only one type of token-ICN
But I want to only buy CTF, is it possible?
Because I don't want to track the news of so many coins.
If I buy CTF, It means I buy a bucket of coins.
hero member
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September 26, 2016, 07:54:46 AM
in case you haven't notice - we posted two blog posts yesterday:

Legal - Part 1 written by Ervin, our legal lead

AND

ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) — UPDATE #1 about ICNX that measures the performance of cryptocurrencies that meet the ICONOMI eligibility criteria




Personally, I'd prefer index based solely on math formulas instead of people voting.
The voting will be based not only on the eligibility criteria but also their individual preferences.
It's nothing too complex to come up with formula based on a set of pre-defined criteria, so what do you need the comittee for? Politics...?
The comittee  could be used for criteria evaluation, but why for voting?
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September 26, 2016, 07:26:44 AM
in case you haven't notice - we posted two blog posts yesterday:

Legal - Part 1 written by Ervin, our legal lead

AND

ICONOMI Cryptocurrencies Index (ICNX) — UPDATE #1 about ICNX that measures the performance of cryptocurrencies that meet the ICONOMI eligibility criteria


hero member
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September 26, 2016, 06:44:58 AM
Quote from https://ico.iconomi.net/about-icnx-index
"ICONOMI appoints a committee that determines the composition of the index at each rebalancing. The committee members propose the addition of new members to the index as well as their weightings and the potential removal of certain members. The final decision is taken with a vote. Additions and deletions of new or old members to the index will be explained to the public as they occur."

Does it mean that it's not-automatic, 2 stages inclussion process?
I mean, first an asset needs to qualify with 'Eligibility criteria for inclusion", and then the committee members work on the assets that qualified?
Does it mean that qualified assets can be rejected by the committee?
maybe but as they said the final decisions is taken with a vote and probably the committee only can make the following assets becoming potentially removed

It is true, all the stuff that's already there will surely be difficult to remove when the decision from all the people who use it are still objections. all of this depends on the final decision and I think this will not happen as long as everything remains a commitment of excellent and consistent
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September 26, 2016, 06:43:33 AM
Just as an example or note:

Lisk collected approx 6m in their ICO and they still trade at above .0004 at present after 3 months on exchanges...  still well over 3x ICO prices even without having a working product yet. Sure, there was a dump, after two trips to around 400 Bitcoin per token it then "dumped" to reasonable profit areas.
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So when you hear newbs talking about "the Lisk ICO dump", you will now know wtf it REALLY was.
The facts are that Lisk traded at over 55 Bitcoin for over 3 days on Polo topping at 400, and still carry a 3x return for ICO investors... just sayin'. I call that a PUMP, not a Dump.

The difference here is that Iconomi will be launching with a working product... unlike EVERYONE ELSE
There is nothing here complicated to develop. Think of it as "What the DAO should have been"
There's no telling how hard the pump could be.

What do you expect iconomi will trade at?
I can only speculate, but I'd conservatively estimate a minimum of 5x or more... possibly plenty more.
Here's the thing... Dividends will be paid to token holders on a WEEKLY basis regardless of the funds performance.
There's nothing else like this, anywhere.
I challenge anyone here to prove me wrong.
But that sounds unreasonable.How can they pay dividends irrespective of funds performance? where will they money from to pay?

from the cut they make. the only thing could be, that is can be more performative to invest in their fund as holding the token. but the first is conservative the other a speculative product.
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September 26, 2016, 06:18:10 AM
Quote from https://ico.iconomi.net/about-icnx-index
"ICONOMI appoints a committee that determines the composition of the index at each rebalancing. The committee members propose the addition of new members to the index as well as their weightings and the potential removal of certain members. The final decision is taken with a vote. Additions and deletions of new or old members to the index will be explained to the public as they occur."

Does it mean that it's not-automatic, 2 stages inclussion process?
I mean, first an asset needs to qualify with 'Eligibility criteria for inclusion", and then the committee members work on the assets that qualified?
Does it mean that qualified assets can be rejected by the committee?
maybe but as they said the final decisions is taken with a vote and probably the committee only can make the following assets becoming potentially removed
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September 26, 2016, 06:00:50 AM
Just as an example or note:

Lisk collected approx 6m in their ICO and they still trade at above .0004 at present after 3 months on exchanges...  still well over 3x ICO prices even without having a working product yet. Sure, there was a dump, after two trips to around 400 Bitcoin per token it then "dumped" to reasonable profit areas.
image edited

So when you hear newbs talking about "the Lisk ICO dump", you will now know wtf it REALLY was.
The facts are that Lisk traded at over 55 Bitcoin for over 3 days on Polo topping at 400, and still carry a 3x return for ICO investors... just sayin'. I call that a PUMP, not a Dump.

The difference here is that Iconomi will be launching with a working product... unlike EVERYONE ELSE
There is nothing here complicated to develop. Think of it as "What the DAO should have been"
There's no telling how hard the pump could be.

What do you expect iconomi will trade at?
I can only speculate, but I'd conservatively estimate a minimum of 5x or more... possibly plenty more.
Here's the thing... Dividends will be paid to token holders on a WEEKLY basis regardless of the funds performance.
There's nothing else like this, anywhere.
I challenge anyone here to prove me wrong.
But that sounds unreasonable.How can they pay dividends irrespective of funds performance? where will they money from to pay?
sr. member
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September 26, 2016, 05:52:28 AM

How did your trading work out bro? I didn't follow up after you wrote your Lisk selling post.

Thanks for asking.  They say no plan survives contact with the enemy and that has certainly been true for me.  However, overall I am up 25% from the day I sold my Lisk, so I'm OK.  And here I am investing in  ICONOMI, while I wait for Lisk 0.4.0d to be released on testnet.

nice. Well we have one big iconomi journey ahead  Cheesy
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September 26, 2016, 05:44:19 AM
Quote from https://ico.iconomi.net/about-icnx-index
"ICONOMI appoints a committee that determines the composition of the index at each rebalancing. The committee members propose the addition of new members to the index as well as their weightings and the potential removal of certain members. The final decision is taken with a vote. Additions and deletions of new or old members to the index will be explained to the public as they occur."

Does it mean that it's not-automatic, 2 stages inclussion process?
I mean, first an asset needs to qualify with 'Eligibility criteria for inclusion", and then the committee members work on the assets that qualified?
Does it mean that qualified assets can be rejected by the committee?
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September 26, 2016, 05:13:01 AM

How did your trading work out bro? I didn't follow up after you wrote your Lisk selling post.

Thanks for asking.  They say no plan survives contact with the enemy and that has certainly been true for me.  However, overall I am up 25% from the day I sold my Lisk, so I'm OK.  And here I am investing in  ICONOMI, while I wait for Lisk 0.4.0d to be released on testnet.
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September 26, 2016, 05:04:16 AM
My body needs this
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September 26, 2016, 04:56:52 AM


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