[ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform - page 252.

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Quote from: weilichesbin on December 21, 2016, 08:12:20 AM

The actual Prices are pure speculations. It will raise more and more this month,
but wait the first dividends... than the Price crashes because every Token holder will reallize how tiny the dividends are.

To get more Profit it will be better to sell the Tokens and Invest with BTC in the Funds which will be avaible, than you get good money.

But not with the Token.

Thats a good point. There are people thinking they will earn hunderds of dollar every month with the dividends. So there will be much disappointment.

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The actual Prices are pure speculations. It will raise more and more this month,
but wait the first dividends... than the Price crashes because every Token holder will reallize how tiny the dividends are.

To get more Profit it will be better to sell the Tokens and Invest with BTC in the Funds which will be avaible, than you get good money.

But not with the Token.

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move that crypto

The market cap for all the gold in the world is $7000B

The market cap of Berkshire Hathaway is $411B

In the conservative scenario, where Bitcoin and Iconomi become worth just 10% of this, then 1 BTC = $400k and 1 ICN = $400

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Quote from: rgornik on December 21, 2016, 07:44:39 AM

Did anybody recieve mail from Iconomi about today's openning day?

No ... still quiet

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Healthy corrections are GOOD. We will see much higher prices.

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Did anybody recieve mail from Iconomi about today's openning day?

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Practising Hebrew before visiting Israel

What's happening now (hourly)

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Quote from: B!gSmoke on December 21, 2016, 06:38:31 AM

Guys keep calm. Don't expect these moon prices from 1$/icn on 28th otherwise you will be disappointed if it doesn't reach it and then lot of people will dump because of. At the moment it doesn't look like we have much buy pressure so stay calm til the 28th and then expect a slightly increase of price. Let me remind you of what devs said: "Don't expect dividends on January 1st or anytime soon!"

Dont worry, some of people trying to dump but it is not success,
they want dump to get a cheap price. Grin

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Quote from: Admiral_Bit on December 21, 2016, 06:47:01 AM

I think you have to keep in mind, that crypto value is never purely based on the ROI of it is underlying architecture. Look at BTC, the coin is at 808$ and it does nothing but to belong to someone. Iconomi can do both, it is not only a token which gives you dividents it is also a storage of value in its own way. You dont need to distribute billions of dividends per year. It is the trust in the token which will drive its value. And of course its future prospects...

100$ per ICN is easily archivable without billions of dividends..

Mostly agreed. Markets are irrational. But still, a 10B marketcap!?

Quote from: Daparski on December 21, 2016, 07:01:28 AM

you are missing something you wrote:

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5 years

is a looooong time. Everything can happen

Yeah, that's right. In both ways. In crypto, most people would want their ROI in, well, probably less than a year.
But 5 years to get back your stock-buying money from dividends only is an 'old-economy' investor's wet dream.
Anyways, it doesn't mean you have to wait the 5 years, just that, IMO, it seems like a proper way of valuing an asset.

Quote from: raphma on December 21, 2016, 07:03:36 AM

people dont like math, they dont like to be reasonable.
they like to dream and and think the impossible is true...

and if you are reasonable, well, then its "GTFO FUD"

Well I might GTFO then, because although I believe ICN is defo mewning in 2017, my expectations are too reasonable around here. Grin

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Quote from: sualesso on December 21, 2016, 07:12:46 AM

Quote from: jackiedragon on December 21, 2016, 06:37:30 AM

Quote from: sualesso on December 21, 2016, 06:33:14 AM

when I look at token holders list, I realise that I lost a few places because the big fishes are buying more. I lost my % for dividends. Sad

Have to buy more Grin

ehm the token amount doesn´t change just because some people buy more, so you receive just the same dividends later even if some whales accumulate. but i also moved down in the token holders ranking Wink

Yeah you're right, losing positions and not percent. I apologize for the premature conclusion.

But it's ok if you wan to buy more Wink

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Quote from: jackiedragon on December 21, 2016, 06:37:30 AM

Quote from: sualesso on December 21, 2016, 06:33:14 AM

when I look at token holders list, I realise that I lost a few places because the big fishes are buying more. I lost my % for dividends. Sad

Have to buy more Grin

ehm the token amount doesn´t change just because some people buy more, so you receive just the same dividends later even if some whales accumulate. but i also moved down in the token holders ranking Wink

Yeah you're right, losing positions and not percent. I apologize for the premature conclusion.

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Just buy ICN, wait, relax and see what will happen. That's what im doing...

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Quote from: Vinz421 on December 21, 2016, 05:50:52 AM

Although I'd love to see a $100 valuation per ICN and -virtually- become a FIAT multimillionaire,
I genuinely think this isn't reasonable at all. That would mean a $10 billion market cap for the platform only.

With a $100 scenario, for the dividends to break even one's ICN buyings after, say, 5 years,
The OFM would need to distribute 2bil per year in dividends,
with a ~2% fee, the OFM would have to handle something like a hundred billion / year altogether...
Almost seven times the current total crypto marketcap?

Or am I missing something ?

people dont like math, they dont like to be reasonable.
they like to dream and and think the impossible is true...

and if you are reasonable, well, then its "GTFO FUD"

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Quote from: Vinz421 on December 21, 2016, 05:50:52 AM

Quote from: korman on December 21, 2016, 05:16:27 AM

Quote from: Investorlogic on December 21, 2016, 03:19:10 AM

Quote from: korman on December 21, 2016, 02:36:10 AM

Once the price will get to 100$ per ICN I will not buy a Lambo, I will open my own Lambo dealer.

Seriously though, let's not get too optimistic about a sudden price rise. Iconomi has a lot of potential to grow, but it will be gradual, subject to results (profit for funds investors) and there will be bumps along the way. So, everyone, fasten your seatbelts and HODL.

What you mean lets not be too optimistic, we are investing top dollars into it, the least we can do is be optimistic about OUR future ROI.

People were saying the very same thing when Bitcoin was worth $1 a few years ago, no one back then remotely dreamed that Bitcoin was going to be worth $805 today, let alone $1100 shortly before MtGox got hacked.

Right now, each ICN is worth $0.32 and people are here saying that $100/ICN is an exaggerated projection. Let me tell you this, that the time WILL come when ICN will absolutely surprise some people in terms on how much it WILL be worth in the future. Do Not be surprised if in a few more years you see ICN valued at $300+/each being conservative here.

To my and everyone's radiant success in this investment venture!

Of course I'm optimist about Iconomi's future, otherwise I wouldn't have heavily invested in it. And there are many factors that lead me to consider 100$ per ICN a somewhat optimistic but reasonable price in the future (concept, team, market growth etc..).
The only thing is, I'm not giving it a deadline to declare it either a success or a failure. I'd be already very happy to see a sustainable growth up to 10$ sometime in 2017, but I will not sell in disappointment if I don't see it happening next year, as I'm confident in the long term value of ICN.
I just wouldn't want to see people dumping because they expect 100$ next month or 1$ per ICN as weekly dividend starting from December 28 and it didn't happen, that's it.
Iconomi has a bright future ahead. We just need to hold and wait. Fudders gonna fud anyway.

Although I'd love to see a $100 valuation per ICN and -virtually- become a FIAT multimillionaire,
I genuinely think this isn't reasonable at all. That would mean a $10 billion market cap for the platform only.

With a $100 scenario, for the dividends to break even one's ICN buyings after, say, 5 years,
The OFM would need to distribute 2bil per year in dividends,
with a ~2% fee, the OFM would have to handle something like a hundred billion / year altogether...
Almost seven times the current total crypto marketcap?

Or am I missing something ?

you are missing something you wrote:

Quote

5 years

is a looooong time. Everything can happen

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Quote from: Vinz421 on December 21, 2016, 05:50:52 AM

Quote from: korman on December 21, 2016, 05:16:27 AM

Quote from: Investorlogic on December 21, 2016, 03:19:10 AM

Quote from: korman on December 21, 2016, 02:36:10 AM

Once the price will get to 100$ per ICN I will not buy a Lambo, I will open my own Lambo dealer.

Seriously though, let's not get too optimistic about a sudden price rise. Iconomi has a lot of potential to grow, but it will be gradual, subject to results (profit for funds investors) and there will be bumps along the way. So, everyone, fasten your seatbelts and HODL.

What you mean lets not be too optimistic, we are investing top dollars into it, the least we can do is be optimistic about OUR future ROI.

People were saying the very same thing when Bitcoin was worth $1 a few years ago, no one back then remotely dreamed that Bitcoin was going to be worth $805 today, let alone $1100 shortly before MtGox got hacked.

Right now, each ICN is worth $0.32 and people are here saying that $100/ICN is an exaggerated projection. Let me tell you this, that the time WILL come when ICN will absolutely surprise some people in terms on how much it WILL be worth in the future. Do Not be surprised if in a few more years you see ICN valued at $300+/each being conservative here.

To my and everyone's radiant success in this investment venture!

Of course I'm optimist about Iconomi's future, otherwise I wouldn't have heavily invested in it. And there are many factors that lead me to consider 100$ per ICN a somewhat optimistic but reasonable price in the future (concept, team, market growth etc..).
The only thing is, I'm not giving it a deadline to declare it either a success or a failure. I'd be already very happy to see a sustainable growth up to 10$ sometime in 2017, but I will not sell in disappointment if I don't see it happening next year, as I'm confident in the long term value of ICN.
I just wouldn't want to see people dumping because they expect 100$ next month or 1$ per ICN as weekly dividend starting from December 28 and it didn't happen, that's it.
Iconomi has a bright future ahead. We just need to hold and wait. Fudders gonna fud anyway.

Although I'd love to see a $100 valuation per ICN and -virtually- become a FIAT multimillionaire,
I genuinely think this isn't reasonable at all. That would mean a $10 billion market cap for the platform only.

With a $100 scenario, for the dividends to break even one's ICN buyings after, say, 5 years,
The OFM would need to distribute 2bil per year in dividends,
with a ~2% fee, the OFM would have to handle something like a hundred billion / year altogether...
Almost seven times the current total crypto marketcap?

Or am I missing something ?

I think you have to keep in mind, that crypto value is never purely based on the ROI of it is underlying architecture. Look at BTC, the coin is at 808$ and it does nothing but to belong to someone. Iconomi can do both, it is not only a token which gives you dividents it is also a storage of value in its own way. You dont need to distribute billions of dividends per year. It is the trust in the token which will drive its value. And of course its future prospects...

100$ per ICN is easily archivable without billions of dividends..

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move that crypto

Quote from: Investorlogic on December 21, 2016, 04:18:13 AM

Here's how coinmarketcap might look in the future: HInt: take a look at who's on position #1 on my representation of coinmarketcap of the future:

Rarely have I seen such dedicated and sophisticated pumping

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Respect has to be earned, just like money!

Guys keep calm. Don't expect these moon prices from 1$/icn on 28th otherwise you will be disappointed if it doesn't reach it and then lot of people will dump because of. At the moment it doesn't look like we have much buy pressure so stay calm til the 28th and then expect a slightly increase of price. Let me remind you of what devs said: "Don't expect dividends on January 1st or anytime soon!"

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Crypto Future here i come

Quote from: sualesso on December 21, 2016, 06:33:14 AM

when I look at token holders list, I realise that I lost a few places because the big fishes are buying more. I lost my % for dividends. Sad

Have to buy more Grin

ehm the token amount doesn´t change just because some people buy more, so you receive just the same dividends later even if some whales accumulate. but i also moved down in the token holders ranking Wink

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when I look at token holders list, I realise that I lost a few places because the big fishes are buying more. I lost my % for dividends. Sad

Have to buy more Grin

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I think that ICN can come to 60k until 28. Dec

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