[ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform - page 379.

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Quote from: petricag on November 28, 2016, 12:40:19 PM

Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 11:53:11 AM

I don't think they will pay dividends from ICO money, it would make no sense. Dividends will probably be paid from realized profits.

Why not pay from ICO money? From 10 mil $ you pay 1-2 mil $ dividends for some time, price is increasing because of the and because hopefully they will add it to Polo in the end, because hopefully they are not retards, then the token gets pump to 5x they sell their share => a lot of profit ... and after a couple of months they just disappear with the usual crypto scenario: big bad wolf (sorry ... hacker), ddos attack ... they get the ICO money + some extra profit, those that sell at 5x also make a nice profit ... and then the bag holder will remain with some useless tokens to brag about and dream on lambos and the moon. Jeesss ... you are such a child .. is like you are new to crypto.

ICONOMI team isn't much bothered to increase icn price for you. Their aim is to establish Iconomi.
It's meaningless to pay from ico money.

They Iconomi team members cannot sell their icn for 6 months.

I don't understand you. Why do you think ddos attack, hack are usual crypto scenario? There are many companies running without being hacked till now.

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Quote from: Enjorlas on November 28, 2016, 12:48:39 PM

What is a ball park estimate of the amount of weekly dividends? Say Iconomi is doing decent, would 1 eth per 1000 icn be a reasonable expectation?

are you joking ? ....

) ... you wanted to say 0.01 ETH / 1000 ICN maybe ?
at 1 ETH / 1000 ICN you would get ROI in a few weeks ... which is not happening anywhere in crypto.

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What is a ball park estimate of the amount of weekly dividends? Say Iconomi is doing decent, would 1 eth per 1000 icn be a reasonable expectation?

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Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 11:53:11 AM

I don't think they will pay dividends from ICO money, it would make no sense. Dividends will probably be paid from realized profits.

Why not pay from ICO money? From 10 mil $ you pay 1-2 mil $ dividends for some time, price is increasing because of the and because hopefully they will add it to Polo in the end, because hopefully they are not retards, then the token gets pump to 5x they sell their share => a lot of profit ... and after a couple of months they just disappear with the usual crypto scenario: big bad wolf (sorry ... hacker), ddos attack ... they get the ICO money + some extra profit, those that sell at 5x also make a nice profit ... and then the bag holder will remain with some useless tokens to brag about and dream on lambos and the moon. Jeesss ... you are such a child .. is like you are new to crypto.

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Does iconomi have a dapp to trade Forex with ICN without the need of verification. It is a request from my members who wish to use my service without verifying themselves.

I require features like trade copier or PAMM

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Quote from: electronicash on November 28, 2016, 12:26:45 PM

Quote from: tomkat on November 28, 2016, 12:19:18 PM

Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 11:53:11 AM

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Donno why I get myself into these meaningless conversations..

You never said Liqui, you never said dividends in USD.. Not sure what you said. BTC rise would matter is too general, it's like saying nothing.
I don't think they will pay dividends from ICO money, it would make no sense. Dividends will probably be paid from realized profits. If you don't want to be exposed to any price changes, you can convert them to your favorite toilet paper money.

Really didn't get what this conversation is about.

It's because you're not precise, mixing things up, and constantly changing the scope of the conversation.
Let's not continue to avoid more mess.

However, it's interesting how do you calculate that your investment is profitable?
Example: you bought a coin for 1500 sat and sold for 1700. Did you make profit?

at 1700, I don't think he gained that much, it depends to how much ICN he had. trading isn't that simple that you can sell the whole quantity you got a the same time. 24k has its sell wall so he should have set it there as well to gain.

Now you see :-)
I said "you bought a coin" and electronicash replied "it depends to how much ICN he had" - so he has changed the scope, and we're going nowhere again :-)

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Quote from: tomkat on November 28, 2016, 12:19:18 PM

Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 11:53:11 AM

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Donno why I get myself into these meaningless conversations..

You never said Liqui, you never said dividends in USD.. Not sure what you said. BTC rise would matter is too general, it's like saying nothing.
I don't think they will pay dividends from ICO money, it would make no sense. Dividends will probably be paid from realized profits. If you don't want to be exposed to any price changes, you can convert them to your favorite toilet paper money.

Really didn't get what this conversation is about.

It's because you're not precise, mixing things up, and constantly changing the scope of the conversation.
Let's not continue to avoid more mess.

However, it's interesting how do you calculate that your investment is profitable?
Example: you bought a coin for 1500 sat and sold for 1700. Did you make profit?

at 1700, I don't think he gained that much, it depends to how much ICN he had. trading isn't that simple that you can sell the whole quantity you got a the same time. 24k has its sell wall so he should have set it there as well to gain.

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Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 11:53:11 AM

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Donno why I get myself into these meaningless conversations..

You never said Liqui, you never said dividends in USD.. Not sure what you said. BTC rise would matter is too general, it's like saying nothing.
I don't think they will pay dividends from ICO money, it would make no sense. Dividends will probably be paid from realized profits. If you don't want to be exposed to any price changes, you can convert them to your favorite toilet paper money.

Really didn't get what this conversation is about.

It's because you're not precise, mixing things up, and constantly changing the scope of the conversation.
Let's not continue to avoid more mess.

However, it's interesting how do you calculate that your investment is profitable?
Example: you bought a coin for 1500 sat and sold for 1700. Did you make profit?

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Nice to see how stable Iconomi is with its current price. Time to purchase more! I can't wait for the future of this project.

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Quote from: tomkat on November 28, 2016, 10:35:23 AM

Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 10:20:49 AM

Quote from: tomkat on November 28, 2016, 10:10:37 AM

Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 09:51:24 AM

Quote from: tomkat on November 28, 2016, 09:45:20 AM

Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 09:14:23 AM

Quote from: tomkat on November 28, 2016, 09:05:50 AM

Quote from: someonesomeone on November 28, 2016, 08:49:32 AM

The most interesting part is that Iconomi keeps growing its funds due to the BTC rise and next week when LSK pumps it will go even higher. Fun times ahead on all fronts here

It would be interesting if they promised to pay dividends in USD.
Otherwise it all depends on BTC/ETH price, and the prices of other cryptos they (will) own.

No it doesn't. You can convert your ETH dividends to any currency, crypto or fiat immediately.
I don't see any problem here.

Yes, I can do it, but Iconomi must buy ETH to pay dividends.
If they have 1 BTC now and ETH is for 0.012 then they can buy 83.33(3) ETH, but if ETH will be 0.013 in a month then with the same 1 BTC they will have 76,92 ETH.
If that 1 BTC worth of ETH was used to pay dividends then with lower ETH prices ICN holders would receive more ETH.

uuh, what?
Dividends are distributed from realized profits. If they already made profit, why would they buy eth?
At the time those profits were made, their net worth in ETH was X. So each ICN will receive X/100M

For instance: ICN bought Golem.
If they sold it now on Liqui, they would receive BTC, so in order to pay dividends they would need to buy ETH, right?

They have almost 200K eth, they have fiat.. I am not sure why this even matters? You need to get X eth as dividend, you get it. How they get it is their decision.
Paying dividends in fiat? Grin

Are you serious?

BTW - I doubt Iconomi will use Liqui to sell Golem

I never said they will use Liqui - read that sentence again please.

Also, I never meant they pay dividends in fiat - just said that BTC rise would matter IF they promised to pay in USD. Obviously 200k ETH can be used for dividens (for the start), but they will need more ETH. You seam to be missing long term perspective. It doesn't really matter what they have now, but in long run they will need to track many exchange rates from/to many cryptos. Profitability of their operations will depend on the performance of their holdings, and countless exchange rates.

Donno why I get myself into these meaningless conversations..

You never said Liqui, you never said dividends in USD.. Not sure what you said. BTC rise would matter is too general, it's like saying nothing.
I don't think they will pay dividends from ICO money, it would make no sense. Dividends will probably be paid from realized profits. If you don't want to be exposed to any price changes, you can convert them to your favorite toilet paper money.

Really didn't get what this conversation is about.

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Quote from: Xtrata on November 27, 2016, 03:41:32 PM

Quote from: Raxitto on November 27, 2016, 03:39:34 PM

And somebody knows how to do the math of 5000 Icn?
How much it would be that in dividends??

Did you even take 1 min and read the latest posts? WE do not know yet!

make sure to read at least the FAQ and the 2 AMA on reddit... helps a lot and saves us all time

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Quote from: TrueAnon on November 28, 2016, 10:40:48 AM

Quote from: 5thangel on November 28, 2016, 09:49:52 AM

Quote from: TrueAnon on November 28, 2016, 09:47:25 AM

So ICn to 100k min. before end of 2016? Huh

No

ORLY?!

I think all ETH whales should get off ETH death train now and they need to jump ship to ICN! Imagine that BTC into ICN a better project.....amazing. The whalebots that pumped ETH woudl then get moving on ICN and it'd flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, eth deeeeed

Ethereum is meant for storing and making transactions of your money. You definitely cannot use ICN in place of crypto currency like Bitcoin or Ethereum. They are more widely accepted. You wouldn't see many accepting a share in company in place of payment.
All I mean is icn is not an alternative to Ethereum. They have different purposes.

Remember, ICN is currently compartment of Ethereum train. If Ethereum train crashes, it would have adverse effects on icn also.

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Quote from: kalpit on November 28, 2016, 10:18:54 AM

Quote from: tomkat on November 28, 2016, 09:45:20 AM

Quote from: Daparski on November 28, 2016, 09:14:23 AM

Quote from: tomkat on November 28, 2016, 09:05:50 AM

Quote from: someonesomeone on November 28, 2016, 08:49:32 AM

The most interesting part is that Iconomi keeps growing its funds due to the BTC rise and next week when LSK pumps it will go even higher. Fun times ahead on all fronts here

It would be interesting if they promised to pay dividends in USD.
Otherwise it all depends on BTC/ETH price, and the prices of other cryptos they (will) own.

No it doesn't. You can convert your ETH dividends to any currency, crypto or fiat immediately.
I don't see any problem here.

Yes, I can do it, but Iconomi must buy ETH to pay dividends.
If they have 1 BTC now and ETH is for 0.012 then they can buy 83.33(3) ETH, but if ETH will be 0.013 in a month then with the same 1 BTC they will have 76,92 ETH.
If that 1 BTC worth of ETH was used to pay dividends then with lower ETH prices ICN holders would receive more ETH.

Well, it depends person to person. Some person may prefer to keep the dividends in Ethereum, some may like to convert it immediately to Bitcoin or Fiat.

Also, they won't make profits just in Bitcoin. They would be making profits in Ethereum, Bitcoin, and other alt coins. Investing in ico would give them alt coins which would be converted to Ethereum directly.

And my friend, in world of crypto currencies such things are common. Many alt coins are very volatile. Bitcoin too is volatile.

It could also happen the reverse way. Eth / btc rate could also go down .

It you don't want to take such risks convert crypto to fiat immediately.

If they would pay in USD, they would also invite Many legal restrictions.

I haven't suggested they should pay in USD - read carefully please.

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Quote from: 5thangel on November 28, 2016, 09:49:52 AM

Quote from: TrueAnon on November 28, 2016, 09:47:25 AM

So ICn to 100k min. before end of 2016? Huh