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ICONOMI is a foreign entity so it qualifies for Exemption from US Securities Registration, eventhough it raises capital in the United States:

https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/internatl/foreign-private-issuers-overview.shtml#IV


IV. Exemptions from Securities Act Registration — Initial Distributions and Resales

"Foreign private issuers may raise capital in the United States through a registered offering of securities or through offerings that are exempt from the registration requirements."


This is a quite complex area of law.  What you quote does not mean that all offerings by foreign companies are exempt.  Not even close.  

"Offerings that are exempt" are typically those which are limited or private in nature.  For the Iconomi ICO, any Tom, Dick, or Harry in the USA could buy ICN.  So it doesn't meet a limited/private exemption.

Other exemptions require e.g. that there be no marketing efforts that could be reasonably calculated to reach the USA.  Probably also a failure. (If they were going for exemption that required this they would have handled all marketing themselves, and not outsourced to uncontrollable bounty program.)

And even if the ICO was properly exempt, resale on the open market in the USA may not be exempt.  The SEC explains this with a quote that directly applies to the current situation with not being listed on bittrex or poloniex.

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The registration requirement under Section 5 of the Securities Act generally applies on a transaction-by-transaction basis. As a result, securities sold initially pursuant to an exemption or safe harbor from registration may not then be resold unless either an exemption is available or the resale is then registered under the Securities Act. The availability of resale exemptions should be an important consideration to a foreign private issuer; it may not only affect the price and ability to initially place the issuer’s securities, but the availability of the issuer’s initial exemption or safe harbor as well.

i.e., Iconomi is having a hard time placing its securities on exchanges because it can't establish an exemption for resale transactions on those exchanges.  Hence they need to do the SEC registration work.
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Iconomi isn't a US Company, and falls under series 7 of the U.S. tax code.
http://www.investopedia.com/exam-guide/series-7/investment-risk-tax-considerations/foreign-securities-taxation.asp
Foreighn Securities stats:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econresdata/releases/secholdtrans/current.htm
definition of foreign securities:
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/foreign%20securities

Iconomi aren't applying for a NYSE listing (yet)like Gemini and don't operate within US borders like Vorhees.
New Hampshire's new Money transmitter licence costs between 500 and 5000usd per year, which isn't a ban, but puts the bar for them high because what little volume from NH wouldn't cover the cost for the fee.
Coinbase and Circle both still offer service to NH. It actually makes Polo look like cheap bastards.

ICONOMI is a foreign entity so it qualifies for Exemption from US Securities Registration, eventhough it raises capital in the United States:

https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/internatl/foreign-private-issuers-overview.shtml#IV


IV. Exemptions from Securities Act Registration — Initial Distributions and Resales

"Foreign private issuers may raise capital in the United States through a registered offering of securities or through offerings that are exempt from the registration requirements."




Someone please call 1-800-POLONIEX and inform them about this right now!

I'm sure they know securities law by now...
This was to inform the FUDders who keeps spreading "illegal in USA". Which was ofc total bullshit...
USA has trillions annually flowing into "unregistered foreign securities"  Wink
Cryptocurrencies are not required to register anything in USA, the exchanges are the regulated bottleneck, which is why Gemini is still waiting for the CFTC after 2 years while Americans still buy derivatives Globally as seen in the above links.  There is no law in the USA prohibiting the sale of securities not registered within our borders or any border for that matter... The SEC would be busting nearly every managed asset in the USA if that were true lol.
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Iconomi isn't a US Company, and falls under series 7 of the U.S. tax code.
http://www.investopedia.com/exam-guide/series-7/investment-risk-tax-considerations/foreign-securities-taxation.asp
Foreighn Securities stats:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econresdata/releases/secholdtrans/current.htm
definition of foreign securities:
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/foreign%20securities

Iconomi aren't applying for a NYSE listing (yet)like Gemini and don't operate within US borders like Vorhees.
New Hampshire's new Money transmitter licence costs between 500 and 5000usd per year, which isn't a ban, but puts the bar for them high because what little volume from NH wouldn't cover the cost for the fee.
Coinbase and Circle both still offer service to NH. It actually makes Polo look like cheap bastards.

ICONOMI is a foreign entity so it qualifies for Exemption from US Securities Registration, eventhough it raises capital in the United States:

https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/internatl/foreign-private-issuers-overview.shtml#IV


IV. Exemptions from Securities Act Registration — Initial Distributions and Resales

"Foreign private issuers may raise capital in the United States through a registered offering of securities or through offerings that are exempt from the registration requirements."




Someone please call 1-800-POLONIEX and inform them about this right now!
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ICN tokens are my ether tree seeds that will grow into my first ether tree by the time Q1 2017 arrives. (No matter the price I will not sell until 2018. Good luck to all weak hands. BTW I might be in the top 30.
I wonder if Vitalik knew Ether is called "Laughing Gas" in the USA?
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ICN tokens are my ether tree seeds that will grow into my first ether tree by the time Q1 2017 arrives. (No matter the price I will not sell until 2018. Good luck to all weak hands. BTW I might be in the top 30.
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Iconomi isn't a US Company, and falls under series 7 of the U.S. tax code.
http://www.investopedia.com/exam-guide/series-7/investment-risk-tax-considerations/foreign-securities-taxation.asp
Foreighn Securities stats:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econresdata/releases/secholdtrans/current.htm
definition of foreign securities:
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/foreign%20securities

Iconomi aren't applying for a NYSE listing (yet)like Gemini and don't operate within US borders like Vorhees.
New Hampshire's new Money transmitter licence costs between 500 and 5000usd per year, which isn't a ban, but puts the bar for them high because what little volume from NH wouldn't cover the cost for the fee.
Coinbase and Circle both still offer service to NH. It actually makes Polo look like cheap bastards.

ICONOMI is a foreign entity so it qualifies for Exemption from US Securities Registration, eventhough it raises capital in the United States:

https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/internatl/foreign-private-issuers-overview.shtml#IV


IV. Exemptions from Securities Act Registration — Initial Distributions and Resales

"Foreign private issuers may raise capital in the United States through a registered offering of securities or through offerings that are exempt from the registration requirements."


Poloniex will list ICONOMI as soon as their lawyers confirm this exemption.





good news hopefully soon enter poloniex  Smiley
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Iconomi isn't a US Company, and falls under series 7 of the U.S. tax code.
http://www.investopedia.com/exam-guide/series-7/investment-risk-tax-considerations/foreign-securities-taxation.asp
Foreighn Securities stats:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econresdata/releases/secholdtrans/current.htm
definition of foreign securities:
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/foreign%20securities

Iconomi aren't applying for a NYSE listing (yet)like Gemini and don't operate within US borders like Vorhees.
New Hampshire's new Money transmitter licence costs between 500 and 5000usd per year, which isn't a ban, but puts the bar for them high because what little volume from NH wouldn't cover the cost for the fee.
Coinbase and Circle both still offer service to NH. It actually makes Polo look like cheap bastards.

ICONOMI is a foreign entity so it qualifies for Exemption from US Securities Registration, eventhough it raises capital in the United States:

https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/internatl/foreign-private-issuers-overview.shtml#IV


IV. Exemptions from Securities Act Registration — Initial Distributions and Resales

"Foreign private issuers may raise capital in the United States through a registered offering of securities or through offerings that are exempt from the registration requirements."


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Think or swim.
Although ICO is ended theres still a big reason to came here
...yet here we all are  Tongue
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Where are the Devs and why they or someone authorized by them update this topic anymore?They now say they find reddit good for constructive discussion rather than this forum.I want to ask them how much investors they got from reddit or slack?what is the amount reddit users invested in ICO? when they needed investors they came here run sig campaign etc but now they don't response here

this thread turned into a cesspool of shit after the ico ended, no reason to come here


Although ICO is ended theres still a big reason to came here since ICN token are not yet listed on big exchange, and that one has been the main talk of the people here since all of them same as i are speculating on when it would be happen and also people here speculating,talking aswell as watching the price movement of this token from time to time thats why they are still here, sharing some thoughs really help but if you think you can't take to read some post in here then just ignore and don't visit here.
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Where are the Devs and why they or someone authorized by them update this topic anymore?They now say they find reddit good for constructive discussion rather than this forum.I want to ask them how much investors they got from reddit or slack?what is the amount reddit users invested in ICO? when they needed investors they came here run sig campaign etc but now they don't response here

this thread turned into a cesspool of shit after the ico ended, no reason to come here
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Think or swim.
Where are the Devs and why they or someone authorized by them update this topic anymore?They now say they find reddit good for constructive discussion rather than this forum.I want to ask them how much investors they got from reddit or slack?what is the amount reddit users invested in ICO? when they needed investors they came here run sig campaign etc but now they don't response here
Read the blog and find out  Wink
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Let's talk about ICONOMI dividends.

First, some facts.  The ICONOMI ICO ended on Sept 29.  On that day, Bitcoin was worth 605 USD / BTC.   ICONOMI closed their ICO with $10,682,516 in crowdfunding.  So they got 10,682,516 / 605 = 17,657 BTC equivalent.  That investment paid for 85,000,000 ICN tokens.  So each token at end of ICO was worth 17657/85M = 0.0002077 BTC each or 0.0002077*605 = 0.1257 USD each.

The deal was that the first 10K BTC would go into ICONOMI development and the remainder (7,657 BTC equivalent = $4.62M) would go into the ICN.Performance (ICNP) fund.  ICO participants would then split as dividends 20% of profits from this initial ICNP investment of $4.62M.

There are also supposed to be numerous other dividend income streams from fees, etc.  We're gonna ignore them for now, and talk here only about ICN dividend profits just from ICNP.

Here's the key question: What dividends must ICNP yield to be considered a success?  

My answer: ICNP will be a HUGE success if it yields annual dividends greater than those produced by the top dividend stocks on the American NASDAQ exchange.  The top dividend yield of any NASDAQ stock is 23% from OXLC.  Note that the top-yielding Credit Suisse stock of SLVO yields 14.65%.  If ICONOMI can deliver better yields than the best that Credit Suisse has to offer, ICONOMI will be doing VERY good indeed...



So the "success" question above becomes "what does ICNP have to do so that 20% of its 2017 profits equals 23% of its total ICN token ICO value of $10.68M?"

Well, that's just straight algebra.

(0.2) * (2017 ICNP Profit) = (0.23) * $10.68M

2017 ICNP Profit = ((0.23)/(0.20)) * $10.68M = $12.3M

So for annual ICN dividends to equal the best that NASDAQ stocks have to offer, during 2017 Jani and Co. must turn the ICNP original $4.6M into $4.6M+ $12.3M = $16.9M.

That's a 3.7X multiplier.

BOTTOM LINE: If you believe Jani and Co. can take $4.6M and multiply its value by 3.7X during 2017 in the Cryptocurrencies market, then you need to head over to Kraken and buy ICN, because hitting that target will make ICNP a better dividend producer than any stock on NASDAQ.  

Note that ICONOMI dividends will outperform the best NASDAQ Credit Suisse dividend stock by "only" hitting a 2.7X multiplier for ICNP in 2017.


(And if YOU think YOU can run a crypto fund that will hit 3.7X or even 2.7X during 2017, then YOU need to get your fund on the ICONOMI platform!)





Well done. You should make a post on Medium
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how much is the ico price / token ?

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Where are the Devs and why they or someone authorized by them update this topic anymore?They now say they find reddit good for constructive discussion rather than this forum.I want to ask them how much investors they got from reddit or slack?what is the amount reddit users invested in ICO? when they needed investors they came here run sig campaign etc but now they don't response here
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I re read the Iconomi whitepaper this morning, and remember why I didn't go for the ICO. I wish I had now though. Smiley I just didn't understand it.

Can anyone here tell me how the Iconomi proposals compare to Lykke?
I think I understand what Lykke is trying to do, but I still don't get Iconomi.

How is Iconomi different from Lykke?

Thanks you to anyone who can help
They are targeting very different markets. Lykke is going for the traditional assets, and working on trading traditional assets on its platform. Iconomi is trading only crypto assets on its platform through funds - currently planned for index and performance. There are no such crypto funds in Lykke, and no way to trade oil in Iconomi. As I said, very different markets, and likely very different audience/users as well.
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https://medium.com/iconominet/sneak-preview-of-work-in-progress-58362a73ce21#.z79z1vht0
Sign up for early access to help beta test the OFM platform here:
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Just wait til we hit Polo.

Mal, as a prominent non-shitposter in this thread, I encourage you to be more responsible with the Poloniex speculation/hype.

Here are the absolute facts:

    1.  Poloniex is a Delaware Corporation -- a U.S. company.

    2.  Poloniex takes regulatory compliance very seriously.  See for example New  Hampshire action in quick response to new law.

    3.  ICN are, beyond doubt, a security which is currently not registered with the SEC.  ICN are not in any way legal to advertise or sell in the United States.

SEC could force Poloniex to shutdown, or put the hurt on them, for listing unregulated securities.  Kraken seems willing to chance it for some reason.

The idea that we'll suddenly see a "ICN now trading on Poloniex!" announcement is pure insanity.

Iconomi put the cart before the horse by offering securities to U.S. buyers before they were registered in the U.S.  Now I presume they're paying expensive NY lawyers in an attempt to retcon the whole deal and make it kosher with the SEC.  We will see/hear administrative shit with the SEC, and a firm announcement of ICN's legal status in the U.S., before we see ICN listed on Poloniex, if ever.  Anybody thinking that ICN will be on Poloniex "soon" or that the announcement will come out of the blue is delusional.

Please do your part to contain the idiocy that infests this thread.





I asked Poloniex where their offices are located and which regulator they report to. They refused to provide that information.
legendary
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LOL, i cant understand.

What investor want a good profit in 1 week?

thats crazy

Patience is the greatest virtue of kings) But not everyone is destined to be kings Wink

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Think or swim.
I re read the Iconomi whitepaper this morning, and remember why I didn't go for the ICO. I wish I had now though. Smiley I just didn't understand it.

Can anyone here tell me how the Iconomi proposals compare to Lykke?
I think I understand what Lykke is trying to do, but I still don't get Iconomi.

How is Iconomi different from Lykke?

Thanks you to anyone who can help
Lykke? Never heard of it.
Think of Iconomi as the Berkshire Hathaway of Crypto's.
Except offering more; like debit cards, hardware wallets, and several funds to choose from.
..and a prefunded performance fund(5+mil)
..and add a crypto-exchange and management platform to that.
And Vanilla icing, Lambos, Hookers, and Blow.  Wink
legendary
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I re read the Iconomi whitepaper this morning, and remember why I didn't go for the ICO. I wish I had now though. Smiley I just didn't understand it.

Can anyone here tell me how the Iconomi proposals compare to Lykke?
I think I understand what Lykke is trying to do, but I still don't get Iconomi.

How is Iconomi different from Lykke?

Thanks you to anyone who can help
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