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October 14, 2016, 04:13:39 PM
Gas limit has been lowered to ~600k gas per block, so poloniex probably broadcast the transaction with too low of a gas price to get picked up by miners, then they mark it as "Complete" since they have already broadcast it to network.

So...who needs to do what to get this on the ETH blockchain?  Will it get there eventually no matter how low the gas that was allocated for it?

ETH seems like such a flawed implementation in so many ways....

I don't know the exact rules for ethereum mempool, but if it doesn't get picked up by miners within a certain timeframe, it will get dropped from mempool and be back in poloniex's wallet.

I had this happen to me a few times when I broadcast with the standard gas price (currently standard is about 39000000000 wei/gas)
legendary
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October 14, 2016, 04:03:21 PM
Gas limit has been lowered to ~600k gas per block, so poloniex probably broadcast the transaction with too low of a gas price to get picked up by miners, then they mark it as "Complete" since they have already broadcast it to network.

So...who needs to do what to get this on the ETH blockchain?  Will it get there eventually no matter how low the gas that was allocated for it?

ETH seems like such a flawed implementation in so many ways....
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October 14, 2016, 04:01:45 PM
Gas limit has been lowered to ~600k gas per block, so poloniex probably broadcast the transaction with too low of a gas price to get picked up by miners, then they mark it as "Complete" since they have already broadcast it to network.
legendary
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October 14, 2016, 04:01:10 PM
"testwithdrawl of 3 ETH" lol 3 eth for test?do you have to much money?

That's $35 and pretty much all the ETH I own.  I just wanted to get it off of Polo and get ready to use it for gas to transfer ICN around.
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October 14, 2016, 03:54:15 PM
I have received nothing in my newly created ETH account that I want to use for ICN withdrawals, and that includes a test withdrawal from Poloniex of 3 ETH. Polo says the transaction is complete.    Anybody else made a Polo ETH withdrawal and have it vanish?  Is this a DDoS problem that will eventually come thru, a "new address" problem from using geth "Poolaide", or is the ETH "lost forever"?  Anybody got any comments / ideas?







"testwithdrawl of 3 ETH" lol 3 eth for test?do you have to much money?
legendary
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October 14, 2016, 03:42:30 PM
I have received nothing in my newly created ETH account that I want to use for ICN withdrawals, and that includes a test withdrawal from Poloniex of 3 ETH. Polo says the transaction is complete.    Anybody else made a Polo ETH withdrawal and have it vanish?  Is this a DDoS problem that will eventually come thru, a "new address" problem from using geth "Poolaide", or is the ETH "lost forever"?  Anybody got any comments / ideas?





legendary
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October 14, 2016, 03:12:29 PM
I was and still am a big supporter of the ICONOMI concept however I am really disappointed with the team and the public relations aspect as well. At the same time this could be a good thing if disgruntled supporters dump when we "eventually" get released or this can totally flop if someone comes to plate and does it better. The concept is great but the execution is now starting to decline as they have the money and don't need to beg for it anymore. I wouldn't be so cocky if I were them because this is a free market and they are exposed and vulnerable to competition.

Please, projects take months and years to develop, you think Ethereum got listed after a week? Just look at Lisk and Waves, they still don't have nothing to show. I know Iconomi is a simpler project but still, what's the rush? what really changed in two weeks? Do you think people are crazy to pump it to $10? The ICO went for more than a month, enough time to get in for everyone.

The only ones trying to get it listed are the ones in for a quick profit, and that's all fine and all, but don't disguise your intentions for something else. You want your ICNs now to dump them. I already see mine at Iconomi site just fine.
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October 14, 2016, 03:10:44 PM
Why not etc then lol
they have the same flaw silly



ETH Chain on this coming monday:

A hard-fork based on EIP 150 version 1c will be put into effect at block 2457000. This will reprice certain operations to correspond better to the underlying computational complexity.

A second hard-fork will follow shortly after, aimed at reverting the current “state-bloat” introduced by the attacks. This second fork will serve to remove accounts which are empty; lacking code, balance, storage and nonce == 0.

yes, you read it right; DOUBLE hardfork. Go team Ethereum! owait.


Problem is that ETH addresses people added to ICONOMI website will be deleted if they have no balance.
ICONOMI team has to do something, so that they won't send ICN to non existing addresses.

Possible solution: ICONOMI team sends a balance of: 0.00000001 ICN or 0.00000001 ETH (or the lowest denomination possible) to all account holders that put their ETH wallet addresses on the ICO website, that way the wallets wont be empty any longer as they will have a positive balance of 0.00000001 ETH

Your address will not be "deleted" if it has no balance.  

They are definitely not making any changes to the private/public key generation cryptography which would invalidate any addresses from being able to receive or send transactions.

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Any time we encounter an empty account (no code, no balance, etc) we flag it for removal. Essentially deleting it from the trie at the end of transaction. So if our beloved attacker had indeed owned the private keys (he doesn't) he'd have to re-create those accounts on the state, this will incur an additional gas price.

This quote is referring to deleting, from the blockchain, all these empty addresses in the attacker's spam contracts which are taking up space in everyone's "chaindata" folder:
https://etherscan.io/txsInternal?block=2430000

If I generate a private key + address totally offline using some dice and a calculator, and this address has never been used, it does not magically become invalid after the hard fork.
legendary
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October 14, 2016, 03:08:07 PM
I was and still am a big supporter of the ICONOMI concept however I am really disappointed with the team and the public relations aspect as well. At the same time this could be a good thing if disgruntled supporters dump when we "eventually" get released or this can totally flop if someone comes to plate and does it better. The concept is great but the execution is now starting to decline as they have the money and don't need to beg for it anymore. I wouldn't be so cocky if I were them because this is a free market and they are exposed and vulnerable to competition.

developers are always bad at the public relations aspect

Have faith in the team, there is not much to show anything but rightful intentions

imagine if you found a bug and had to tell customers there is an issue

You would be in high stress mode with everyone depending on you


We have all seen the scams, and the truth of it is that there will always be risk


We like these ICO, they give everyday people a chance to get in early and really succeed with an investment, but we must do our own research and take our own risks


And you are right competition is exploding and windows do close.....



Who dump will regret, it is an innovative design, unlike so far created, unfortunately this instability Ethereum just messing up, but just be patient, hunters are crazy to get profits.

you guys do realize that iconomi is not bound to eth? if it sucks or fails, they can just pack it in and move to another chain. it's not like there are no alternatives for this to work

The rest of us are ETH fans though and the reason why they invest is that they are ETH holders as well.
Its like hitting two birds in one stone for them so with ICN's success it should also give profit for them when they dump some of their ETH.
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October 14, 2016, 03:08:02 PM
Lots of good platforms out there that have communities who don't suffer from the hopium addiction the ETH community does. Did anyone see the venture proposals going up on the DAO forum page before the attack? Not an inkling of pragmatism. I want stable infrastructure before all else and I invested in Iconomi not ETH.
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October 14, 2016, 03:01:29 PM
I was and still am a big supporter of the ICONOMI concept however I am really disappointed with the team and the public relations aspect as well. At the same time this could be a good thing if disgruntled supporters dump when we "eventually" get released or this can totally flop if someone comes to plate and does it better. The concept is great but the execution is now starting to decline as they have the money and don't need to beg for it anymore. I wouldn't be so cocky if I were them because this is a free market and they are exposed and vulnerable to competition.

developers are always bad at the public relations aspect

Have faith in the team, there is not much to show anything but rightful intentions

imagine if you found a bug and had to tell customers there is an issue

You would be in high stress mode with everyone depending on you


We have all seen the scams, and the truth of it is that there will always be risk


We like these ICO, they give everyday people a chance to get in early and really succeed with an investment, but we must do our own research and take our own risks


And you are right competition is exploding and windows do close.....



Who dump will regret, it is an innovative design, unlike so far created, unfortunately this instability Ethereum just messing up, but just be patient, hunters are crazy to get profits.

you guys do realize that iconomi is not bound to eth? if it sucks or fails, they can just pack it in and move to another chain. it's not like there are no alternatives for this to work

I think Lisk is the next move.
legendary
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October 14, 2016, 02:57:30 PM
I was and still am a big supporter of the ICONOMI concept however I am really disappointed with the team and the public relations aspect as well. At the same time this could be a good thing if disgruntled supporters dump when we "eventually" get released or this can totally flop if someone comes to plate and does it better. The concept is great but the execution is now starting to decline as they have the money and don't need to beg for it anymore. I wouldn't be so cocky if I were them because this is a free market and they are exposed and vulnerable to competition.

developers are always bad at the public relations aspect

Have faith in the team, there is not much to show anything but rightful intentions

imagine if you found a bug and had to tell customers there is an issue

You would be in high stress mode with everyone depending on you


We have all seen the scams, and the truth of it is that there will always be risk


We like these ICO, they give everyday people a chance to get in early and really succeed with an investment, but we must do our own research and take our own risks


And you are right competition is exploding and windows do close.....



Who dump will regret, it is an innovative design, unlike so far created, unfortunately this instability Ethereum just messing up, but just be patient, hunters are crazy to get profits.

you guys do realize that iconomi is not bound to eth? if it sucks or fails, they can just pack it in and move to another chain. it's not like there are no alternatives for this to work
legendary
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October 14, 2016, 02:48:51 PM
I was and still am a big supporter of the ICONOMI concept however I am really disappointed with the team and the public relations aspect as well. At the same time this could be a good thing if disgruntled supporters dump when we "eventually" get released or this can totally flop if someone comes to plate and does it better. The concept is great but the execution is now starting to decline as they have the money and don't need to beg for it anymore. I wouldn't be so cocky if I were them because this is a free market and they are exposed and vulnerable to competition.

developers are always bad at the public relations aspect

Have faith in the team, there is not much to show anything but rightful intentions

imagine if you found a bug and had to tell customers there is an issue

You would be in high stress mode with everyone depending on you


We have all seen the scams, and the truth of it is that there will always be risk


We like these ICO, they give everyday people a chance to get in early and really succeed with an investment, but we must do our own research and take our own risks


And you are right competition is exploding and windows do close.....

sr. member
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October 14, 2016, 12:09:50 PM
What happen if I not removed the myetherwallet address ?

You have to save, you must have the private key, if not, nothing done!
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October 14, 2016, 02:41:06 PM
I was and still am a big supporter of the ICONOMI concept however I am really disappointed with the team and the public relations aspect as well. At the same time this could be a good thing if disgruntled supporters dump when we "eventually" get released or this can totally flop if someone comes to plate and does it better. The concept is great but the execution is now starting to decline as they have the money and don't need to beg for it anymore. I wouldn't be so cocky if I were them because this is a free market and they are exposed and vulnerable to competition.
legendary
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October 14, 2016, 02:39:48 PM
ETH is about to hard fork again? where is my money  on ICN? I want my money now.

Are You Real?  Shocked Shocked

Maybe he is just spamming for his signauture.  Cheesy
or maybe he is a disgruntled bounty spammer... highly likely, and looks like it. Newb accounts showing up spouting this type of stuff kinda gives it away.



legendary
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October 14, 2016, 02:35:24 PM
@Jani / Jaka -

Please confirm new cutoff date / time to have ETH address locked in at ico.cionomi.net .  The Monday deadline for this is gonna get pushed out, right?

Can you officially confirm the Thurs test push of test tokens has or has not occurred?

And can you officially confirm that you are or are not going to wait for ETH hard fork to send out real ICN?


 

... https://ico.iconomi.net/faq
We are in process of updating FAQ with recent questions...
Should be done by mid next week.

Jaka

Hey, check out my new sig.  Consider making it your own.

Here's the cut-and-paste HTML :

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ukq5AU0iudSu3sFkf6sf_cGwngfAcEh8z35AA4x6phU/edit?usp=sharing
hero member
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Think or swim.
October 14, 2016, 02:34:12 PM
ETH is about to hard fork again? where is my money  on ICN? I want my money now.

Are You Real?  Shocked Shocked

Maybe he is just spamming for his signauture.  Cheesy
or maybe he is a disgruntled bounty spammer... highly likely, and looks like it. Newb accounts showing up spouting this type of stuff kinda gives it away.
hero member
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October 14, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
ETH is about to hard fork again? where is my money  on ICN? I want my money now.

Are You Real?  Shocked Shocked

Maybe he is just spamming for his signauture.  Cheesy
hero member
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Think or swim.
October 14, 2016, 02:12:43 PM
 hehe  Peeps soiled their panties on a dead link by newb fudster.
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