I met a scammer at the end of june after nearly a year of successful trades...
He did try to scam me through a SEPA transfer, so I went looking for info and, be aware, SEPA tranfsers can be reversed up to 13 months after they have been executed !
So I've disabled my bank offer and I've activated the option that only users with a verified cell number are able to contact me.
Let's hope this helps.
spiccioli
ps. I'd add, never do an online transaction with someone from a different country, it makes a lot of thing more difficult to assess.
Topic: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace - page 23. (Read 126108 times)
July 03, 2013, 07:36:09 AM
July 01, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
Take a page from http://www.craigslist.org/about/scams and get back to basics.
What is the domain name? LOCALbitcoins. That means you meet people locally, i.e., in person, and exchange physical fiat (counterfeit check it) for bitcoin. If in public (or private), you should either be armed, or be within a few feet of uniformed others who are armed (and preferably past 100% controlled access with metal detectors and x-rays for bags). Don't get robbed.
When will it get through everyone's thick skulls that bitcoin (and the follow-on cryptos) is the ONLY safe electronic payment method, and to stop fucking using the rest (of the electronic payment methods)? The stolen money and time has to number in the millions of euros/**Dollars/pounds by this point.
What is the domain name? LOCALbitcoins. That means you meet people locally, i.e., in person, and exchange physical fiat (counterfeit check it) for bitcoin. If in public (or private), you should either be armed, or be within a few feet of uniformed others who are armed (and preferably past 100% controlled access with metal detectors and x-rays for bags). Don't get robbed.
When will it get through everyone's thick skulls that bitcoin (and the follow-on cryptos) is the ONLY safe electronic payment method, and to stop fucking using the rest (of the electronic payment methods)? The stolen money and time has to number in the millions of euros/**Dollars/pounds by this point.
July 01, 2013, 02:33:39 PM
thanks for reply.
But do you have some alternative for SEPA? Paypal?
OKPay?
BTW, one scammer is really funny. I asked him for his name and account number, and he gave me my name and his account number. + Postbank + uses Tor - seems legit
But do you have some alternative for SEPA? Paypal?
OKPay? BTW, one scammer is really funny. I asked him for his name and account number, and he gave me my name and his account number. + Postbank + uses Tor - seems legit
July 01, 2013, 12:40:28 PM
Do not use SEPA. Repeat, do NOT USE SEPA.
I've had five criminal cases opened against me due to "fraud" and "forgery" of signatures when accepting SEPA.
Never again.
You can gain knowledge of someones bank details and fill out a transfer slip, throw it in the banks mailbox.
All banks send those to Frankfurt, where they are processed. Processed as in simply executed.
The owner of the account notices money missing, gets reimbursed by the bank (that's the law!) and the bank sues (or threatens to) the money's recipient. This NEVER works. NEVER. There's a dozen court decisions how only the bank itself is culpably when negligent.
caveat: this is german law, dunno about y'all.
TOR on the other hand - use it, by all means. No need for anyone to be spying on my BTC dealings.
I've had five criminal cases opened against me due to "fraud" and "forgery" of signatures when accepting SEPA.
Never again.
Any idea what is going on? Some security problem at Deutche Postbank, and scammers got unauthorized access to random bank accounts? Or is Postbank attacking localbitcoins this way? But they wouldn't need Tor I guess.
You can gain knowledge of someones bank details and fill out a transfer slip, throw it in the banks mailbox.
All banks send those to Frankfurt, where they are processed. Processed as in simply executed.
The owner of the account notices money missing, gets reimbursed by the bank (that's the law!) and the bank sues (or threatens to) the money's recipient. This NEVER works. NEVER. There's a dozen court decisions how only the bank itself is culpably when negligent.
caveat: this is german law, dunno about y'all.
TOR on the other hand - use it, by all means. No need for anyone to be spying on my BTC dealings.
July 01, 2013, 12:33:08 PM
So, I met another 2 scammers on localbitcoins.com (total is 3, and 1 candidate). The scammer starts Tor client, buys bitcoins on localbitcoins.com, pays by SEPA from Deutche Postbank (yes, all 3, albeit different names, cities, IBAN; unfortunately I cannot verify the fourth), receives BTC and then tries SEPA chargeback. This happened for all my 3 bank accounts. I even waited 1 day, releasing BTC 1 day after receiving euros, and still this happened. Another interesting thing is that all those 3 scam payments took unusually long - 4 or 5 business days. The payments probably seemed suspicious for banks also.
Any idea what is going on? Some security problem at Deutche Postbank, and scammers got unauthorized access to random bank accounts? Or is Postbank attacking localbitcoins this way? But they wouldn't need Tor I guess.
Anyway, thank you, kangasbros, for this feauture that warns when other user is using Tor. Now I only have to start using this information.
Any idea what is going on? Some security problem at Deutche Postbank, and scammers got unauthorized access to random bank accounts? Or is Postbank attacking localbitcoins this way? But they wouldn't need Tor I guess.
Anyway, thank you, kangasbros, for this feauture that warns when other user is using Tor. Now I only have to start using this information.
June 27, 2013, 01:09:02 PM
Why should a trader restrict his ads to people with verified SMS numbers?
Because it drastically reduces the number of spam attempts and otherwise non-serious contacts you receive. 
June 27, 2013, 03:17:20 AM
I got a few (still unconfirmed) positive feedback from trade partners and the support tells me that they are not able to confirm it and that I should wait for better times coming
You can fix that in the future by restricting your ads to people with verified SMS numbers.I did it to weed out some of the no-shows.
June 27, 2013, 03:11:22 AM
I got a few (still unconfirmed) positive feedback from trade partners and the support tells me that they are not able to confirm it and that I should wait for better times coming
You can fix that in the future by restricting your ads to people with verified SMS numbers. June 26, 2013, 10:49:16 AM
I got a few (still unconfirmed) positive feedback from trade partners and the support tells me that they are not able to confirm it and that I should wait for better times coming
You can fix that in the future by restricting your ads to people with verified SMS numbers. June 26, 2013, 02:22:29 AM
Where can I find a complete list and explanations of the parameters that I can put into my pricing formulas?
https://localbitcoins.com/cash_exchange_howtowhat does "USD_24h" mean?
I guess, it's an average price of all BTC/USD trades on many exchanges in last 24 hours weighted by the trade sizes. You can see the current value at http://www.bitcoinwatch.com 
June 26, 2013, 12:08:38 AM
- site does not remember location, sometime it requests to access my location, sometime I have to type where I live
Yeah - the autodetection of location is not very useful. It guesses my location as being on the other side of the continent. Thousands of km away.
I don't use a VPN or anything fancy - but I guess some IP address geodata database has some bad entries.
I'd much prefer just to be able to type in a location and have it remember it.
Yes, pliis.
June 25, 2013, 10:14:55 PM
- site does not remember location, sometime it requests to access my location, sometime I have to type where I live
Yeah - the autodetection of location is not very useful. It guesses my location as being on the other side of the continent. Thousands of km away.
I don't use a VPN or anything fancy - but I guess some IP address geodata database has some bad entries.
I'd much prefer just to be able to type in a location and have it remember it.
June 21, 2013, 10:23:48 AM
Where can I find a complete list and explanations of the parameters that I can put into my pricing formulas? For example, what does "USD_24h" mean? 24-hr moving avg of gox? If so, what is the 24-hr moving avg of cbx?
June 21, 2013, 03:50:34 AM
got this transaction unconfirmed for a couple of days now: https://blockchain.info/tx/8b8ba1cde6fdae0886c6f6a0b22d3850087713d4694806c6ca6f038c8cbb96f3
sent from my localbitcoins wallet.
is there a way I can douple spend those WTH FEE to make the trx go through?
sent from my localbitcoins wallet.
is there a way I can douple spend those WTH FEE to make the trx go through?
June 19, 2013, 11:20:09 AM
What about the feedback confirmation issue?
June 19, 2013, 04:54:21 AM
Hi kangasbros,
I'd like to point out a few annoyances:
- site does not remember location, sometime it requests to access my location, sometime I have to type where I live
- right now, inside "Buy bitcoins online in Italy" my offer at 90 EUR/BTC is not shown, but I see an offer at 94 EUR/BTC by topelius, why?
- if I search all online offers in Italy I see just a couple and I don't see mine
- if then I click "seach by payment method"/"PostePay" I don't get any, but I get a couple of PayPal ones ?
Apart from these problems, your site rocks and I really like it.
Thanks!
spiccioli.
I'd like to point out a few annoyances:
- site does not remember location, sometime it requests to access my location, sometime I have to type where I live
- right now, inside "Buy bitcoins online in Italy" my offer at 90 EUR/BTC is not shown, but I see an offer at 94 EUR/BTC by topelius, why?
- if I search all online offers in Italy I see just a couple and I don't see mine
- if then I click "seach by payment method"/"PostePay" I don't get any, but I get a couple of PayPal ones ?
Apart from these problems, your site rocks and I really like it.
Thanks!
spiccioli.
June 16, 2013, 04:35:37 PM
This service rocks. It has the potential to become big once it's polished a bit.
[DONE]. Congratulations! Great service. Could probably make a living with using it if I really wanted to.
Now we have changed the name of the escrow feature to "LocalBitcoins Transaction" or just "Transaction" where the connection is obvious. We changed the name because it is not actually escrow service by the traditional definition, no disputes or resolution services.
Other definitions:
"Transaction verify code": this is generated for the buyer. When the seller shows this code to the buyer, buyer can be 100% that funds have been released. The buyer should check that the code shown by the seller matches the code shown by localbitcoins.com
"Transaction release code": the seller can release the escrow by sending this code to the number +16466994674 . This releases the funds to the buyer, and the seller should receive the verify code promptly, which he/she can show to the buyer.
The benefits of the service are:
- No internet connection needed - only one SMS-enabled phone required to make the transaction on the spot
- Quick process - the buyer does neet any devices, just memorize/write down the transaction verify code
- Allows the users to gain reputation via confirmed trades. If users use this service, we have a way to confirm that trade actually happened.
The LocalBitcoins Transaction service is not enforced in any way. You are free to create any kind of deal with the customer, use smartphone clients, laptops, whatever. We just recommend to use the transaction feature when the customer requests it - it should make the process much easier for the buyer.
Edit: and sorry about the confusion/hassle caused by the name.
Other definitions:
"Transaction verify code": this is generated for the buyer. When the seller shows this code to the buyer, buyer can be 100% that funds have been released. The buyer should check that the code shown by the seller matches the code shown by localbitcoins.com
"Transaction release code": the seller can release the escrow by sending this code to the number +16466994674 . This releases the funds to the buyer, and the seller should receive the verify code promptly, which he/she can show to the buyer.
The benefits of the service are:
- No internet connection needed - only one SMS-enabled phone required to make the transaction on the spot
- Quick process - the buyer does neet any devices, just memorize/write down the transaction verify code
- Allows the users to gain reputation via confirmed trades. If users use this service, we have a way to confirm that trade actually happened.
The LocalBitcoins Transaction service is not enforced in any way. You are free to create any kind of deal with the customer, use smartphone clients, laptops, whatever. We just recommend to use the transaction feature when the customer requests it - it should make the process much easier for the buyer.
Edit: and sorry about the confusion/hassle caused by the name.
"Transaction" is also a term that has already been reserved by the Bitcoin system itself unfortunately.
I always have trouble explaining folks that there is something like an escrow which actually isn't but used to be termed that way on that site but now isn't anymore and it's not the same escrow for online trading etc...
So I lately use the term "mediation" or "mediation process" or "transaction mediation process". It's the least ambiguous.
June 16, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
It would very convenient if Javascript wasn't required to create an ad. When one tries to submit the form, it says that Javascript is required for the location.
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