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Topic: [ANN] Lottocoin as a SCAM - page 3. (Read 9049 times)

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February 01, 2014, 02:51:30 PM
#53
I have a mathematical background
Having 15 times RED when you put on black .. and having that happening many cycles, THE MATHEMATICAL chance to happen in your first 100 consecutive games. If you say it is possible then PROVE IT ..

What kind of fucked mathematical background do you have if you say things like that. Chances are small for that to happen but it definitely is possible.
Even if I would be guessing wrong 15000 times in a row that would still be possible.

Then try lotwin casino and see for yourself. There is not a feeling, but a CERTAINITY that it is rigged.

no.

Sorry, but things you say just make it a CERTAINITY for me that you don't have a mathematical background Cheesy
sr. member
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February 01, 2014, 01:37:44 PM
#52
Like i told u plenty of times Just because u dont Like 1 Casino Doesnt mean the Whole Coins is Bad
i Announced plenty of times that we Got loads of Games incoming this Month Including a Casino wich im 100% u would think is Fair
Just stay away From Lotwin if u Dont like it and wait for the Others Casinos

+1

I bet some of these people thinks Vegas is a scam too!
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February 01, 2014, 09:40:52 AM
#51

If you guys really did lose like you say post your IDs and i will  post your play history

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February 01, 2014, 09:40:32 AM
#50

Hello mate.

Casinos are profitable based on maths. So I want to prove you that you are vary wrong.
Just to mention that I dont know that website nor the devs of lotocoin or website owners.

As I checked on website they use American roulette, which mean have dubble zero.

The chances for a Double-Zero Roulette is 47.37% on Red or Black and 5.26% on greens (2.63% on each)  (source)

So I wrote a little javascript code to take for example 100000 spins (with that odds) and count how many times the same color picked in a row.

And here are the results:

Code:
Picks Percentage Same in a row
Red 47.508 12
Black 47.242 17
Zero 2.673 2
DZero 2.577 1

Of course  you can check my code and run tests here: http://jsfiddle.net/4Q65v/1/

So, giving you 15 times in a row Black, its normal! Its simple maths and chances.
You probably used Martingale strategy to earn some easy cash, but those strategies in long term fail cause of the edge on roulette. (thats why they have zero(s))
If you had more money to afford to double your bets on every lose then you can win that edge, but its impossible.

I dont know if you have gambling problems, you know better, but get a pen and do some simple maths. Then accept it. Smiley

My 2 satoshis.

another +1 for anther person that understands what it means to gamble
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February 01, 2014, 09:36:41 AM
#49

Indeed.

It also goes on to say "The gambler's fallacy is the erroneous belief that a win in a game of pure chance is "due" after a string of losses."



A place I part ways with some of the human race. Maybe having worked in a casino as a kid or watching markets forever or both. But how or why do people gamble against fixed odds against them and think they are not going to lose?

To me it is like jumping off bridge thinking you will fly. It's math dude. It isn't going to change for you.

Strange.

+1
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February 01, 2014, 09:32:48 AM
#48
I am not sure you quite understand 99% returns. Just because you played 333 hands does not mean that you will get back 99% of what you bet. There will be people that win big jackpots and walk away. That is part of the 99% returns. I have played hundreds and hundreds of games there, usually I do pretty good on the poker and BJ, but when I play the slots overall I lose. Guess what it is like when I go to Vegas? I do OK on BJ and poker but not so well on slots. I played reel mob for over half an hour the other day on 10K LOT I was up as high as 25% in some of the plays I won several of the gambles 50/50 and I lost a bunch of them it is a 50/50 chance. I could have walked away many times while I was ahead, but I was having fun so I played until my LOT was gone. I do not play 50 lines I usually play 5-20 lines per spin when I play it. You should try going to Vegas and play slots and see how long you last. And as I always say do not gamble if you do not have money to play. Gambling as I see it is just entertainment and nothing more, I do not expect to walk away with any money when I am done gambling, but sometimes I do.

I certainly think your comment about mr lotto is completely wrong, he is not in cahoots to scam people with the casinos that use LOT are you out of your mind? There was 380M LOT (2%) premine on the coin. He could have cashed out early and walked away, but no he has spent it on bounty rewards to get games going using the coin, giveaways to get people involved and interested in the coin, sure the devs kept plenty of coins 50M I think was the number I saw on the thread but do you expect someone to spend months of their life developing something and not expecting to make something off of it for free? He has been busy developing a new multiplayer poker game, guess how much time that takes. He has been busy trying to get the website in order. I run a small web based business and you would not believe how much time you have to spend doing little mop ups all of the time, it takes a lot of time out of your day just trying to keep up.
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February 01, 2014, 09:07:48 AM
#47
deptechs stats

http://www.lotwincasino.com/1/drepteck.jpg

YOu lost 100k in 300 hands, ok. but also your biggest win was 60,000, maybe some others also? and theres some big bets in there. you only need to lose 18 6k bets to lose 100k

You should of tried different games, if you win big on a machine, or its paying shit move to a different machine.

some pay small wins more frequently and less big wins, while others pay big wins more often and less small wins.
and of corse luck is involved

This proves the scam though. 260,000 lost, 160,000 won in 333 hands. You are lieing by saying it's 99% returns in your games. If it was really 99% returns and the deposit was 100,000 coins, then the win/loss should looks something like 10,000,000 lost 9,900,000 won and the game would have lasted MUCH longer than it did, before I finally succumbed to the 1% house edge. I've been to real casinos so it was pretty easy for me to see something was not right with your casino. 400,000 total points won/lost before I get emptied of 100,000 coins is not a 1% house edge AT ALL. To add insult to injury I won the mega jackpot. If I hadn't won that, then I would have lost my entire 100,000 coins in about 5 minutes. Also telling someone to move to a different machine if it's paying shit is such an idiotic thing to say.

Runs the bitwin casino which is rigged such that the casino is guaranteed to win when its bankroll is low. Left me negative trust rating saying:

"Posts slander against bitwin, in a effort to drive traffic to his own site"

It's only slander if it is untrue, whereas he has admitted that bitwin will deliberately cheat players when it is low on funds. And I didn't (and still don't) even mention my own site. People understand what's fair and what isn't. Provable fairness trumps admitted cheating every time.


Yup I knew it, read this guys trust feedback.

Runs a bitcoin and alternate coin casino that is a scam. Documented proof is in the reference link.

Runs a casino which you cant win we should call that a scam

Runs a rigged casino (see link) and slanders provably fair casinos.


Oldminer, who is always constantly in the Lottocoin thread is also involved with bitwin. I am almost willing to bet the Mrlotto is an altcoin sock puppet account for either Oldminer or Redcoin, or maybe even both.

Here is the feedback for this user:

Involved in a cheating casino

Is involved with the bitwin casino, which he admits is rigged such that it deliberately makes player bets lose when it is short of bankroll.

Deletes all posts pointing this out from his self-moderated thread.

Refuses to acknowledge that provable fairness is a proof of fairness. Somehow thinks his rigged casino is more fair than the majority of Bitcoin games which offer truly provably fair games.


Involved in a gambling scam. Do not trust.

A scammer that runs a bitcoin casino should not be trusted.

Runs a rigged casino, deletes all criticism. Slightly above the scammer level.


Conclusion: AVOID LOTTOCOIN AND ALL CRYPTO GAMBLING
Wait for an established casino like Royal Ace first! Chances are they will use BTC.
sr. member
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February 01, 2014, 08:56:47 AM
#46
deptechs stats



YOu lost 100k in 300 hands, ok. but also your biggest win was 60,000, maybe some others also? and theres some big bets in there. you only need to lose 18 6k bets to lose 100k

You should of tried different games, if you win big on a machine, or its paying shit move to a different machine.

some pay small wins more frequently and less big wins, while others pay big wins more often and less small wins.
and of corse luck is involved
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February 01, 2014, 08:28:57 AM
#45
I agree, if the dev had any balls then he would have left the old thread open and unmoderated and said "Lotwincasino is being called out as a scam by a bunch of people? Ok I'll remove it from the first post, sorry about that guys, we have a new poker game coming out!" That would have ended the dispute and saved face. Instead the douchebag DOESN'T address the concern, likely because he runs the scam casino himself, locks the thread, opens a new moderated one and deletes EVERY negative post forcing this one to be created. And even in the new thread still touts the scam casino as if everything that was posted was completely ignored. Is the dev a clueless idiot that doesn't care about his coin? Or is he the scammer behind it all, you decide, but I am leaning towards the latter.

The Casino is Operated by Redcoin only

And you know this as an absolute 100% fact, and you also know for a fact that mrlotto has no alternate accounts at all, or that he didn't create the coin solely for the purpose of spamming rigged games? Yeah right, pull the other one. Also this still doesn't make up for 1. locking the thread and policing the new one, 2. never addressing the complaints, 3. still touting the scam casino, 4. calling all of us idiots. It's too late to save face, the damage is done.

Why would he Rig the Casino himself? he has A Mining rig + Premined coins he would barely make anything on the Casino
Compared to what he has

Casino makes:




I can post pics too!



^^
full member
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February 01, 2014, 08:28:07 AM
#44
Wow how naive and gullible do you think we are to believe those stats. Give me a break. Anyways, what needed to be said was said and I'm sticking to it based solely on MY experience.
they look fine to me but anyhow thats your opinion
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February 01, 2014, 08:27:50 AM
#43
I agree, if the dev had any balls then he would have left the old thread open and unmoderated and said "Lotwincasino is being called out as a scam by a bunch of people? Ok I'll remove it from the first post, sorry about that guys, we have a new poker game coming out!" That would have ended the dispute and saved face. Instead the douchebag DOESN'T address the concern, likely because he runs the scam casino himself, locks the thread, opens a new moderated one and deletes EVERY negative post forcing this one to be created. And even in the new thread still touts the scam casino as if everything that was posted was completely ignored. Is the dev a clueless idiot that doesn't care about his coin? Or is he the scammer behind it all, you decide, but I am leaning towards the latter.

The Casino is Operated by Redcoin only

And you know this as an absolute 100% fact, and you also know for a fact that mrlotto has no alternate accounts at all, or that he didn't create the coin solely for the purpose of spamming rigged games? Yeah right, pull the other one. Also this still doesn't make up for 1. locking the thread and policing the new one, 2. never addressing the complaints, 3. still touting the scam casino, 4. calling all of us idiots. It's too late to save face, the damage is done.

Why would he Rig the Casino himself? he has A Mining rig + Premined coins he would barely make anything on the Casino
Compared to what he has

Casino makes:




I can post pics too!

newbie
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February 01, 2014, 08:26:16 AM
#42
Wow how naive and gullible do you think we are to believe those stats. Give me a break. Anyways, what needed to be said was said and I'm sticking to it based solely on MY experience.
full member
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February 01, 2014, 08:20:43 AM
#41
I agree, if the dev had any balls then he would have left the old thread open and unmoderated and said "Lotwincasino is being called out as a scam by a bunch of people? Ok I'll remove it from the first post, sorry about that guys, we have a new poker game coming out!" That would have ended the dispute and saved face. Instead the douchebag DOESN'T address the concern, likely because he runs the scam casino himself, locks the thread, opens a new moderated one and deletes EVERY negative post forcing this one to be created. And even in the new thread still touts the scam casino as if everything that was posted was completely ignored. Is the dev a clueless idiot that doesn't care about his coin? Or is he the scammer behind it all, you decide, but I am leaning towards the latter.

The Casino is Operated by Redcoin only

And you know this as an absolute 100% fact, and you also know for a fact that mrlotto has no alternate accounts at all, or that he didn't create the coin solely for the purpose of spamming rigged games? Yeah right, pull the other one. Also this still doesn't make up for 1. locking the thread and policing the new one, 2. never addressing the complaints, 3. still touting the scam casino, 4. calling all of us idiots. It's too late to save face, the damage is done.

Why would he Rig the Casino himself? he has A Mining rig + Premined coins he would barely make anything on the Casino
Compared to what he has

Casino makes:


newbie
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February 01, 2014, 08:20:08 AM
#40
Dude we aren't talking about roulette.
Post mine, I dare you. ID 807.
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February 01, 2014, 08:19:26 AM
#39
Hi everyone.
Would like to tell you that I have been with lottocoin from the start, but the sad story is that the developers are working together with online casino makers in order to rip people off.
The lotwincasino that they advertise in their starting page is a complete SCAM and rip off, giving you 15 blacks in a raw when you put red so they can harvest as many lottocoins as possible.

The developer 'MrLotto' is saying that we only say these because we are upset that we 'lost money' in that casino (clearly supporting the casino) but in fact, out of the total of 14 million lottocoins I was playing maybe 100K but in many hundreds of games to figure out if it is really a scam or not. Thus I consider 100K lottocoin a very small amount and I do not regret losing it as I found out the truth about that casino, MrLotto and all this coin.

As of now I have sold every lottocoin I had and I advise everyone to do the same as mostly probably the next BIG GAMES they scream about coming in next week are rigged as much as lotwincasino, they just announce many things every week to pump the coin again.

This is only a pump and dump coin and many on the start thread are agreeing with that even if they have been supporting lottocoin from the start.
When they tried to make creative and supporting criticizing, they were sweared at, called that they spread FUD and so on.

As a matter of fact now I am banned from the thread, because they find me 'not supporting the coin' after I have thrown many megahashes at it with the intend to hold the coin for a long long time, maybe even one year plus, with no intention to pump and dump it immediately.

I wish them luck, but people holding lottocoins should know exactly what this coin is about and research more to see that the devs and the online casino owners are somehow related.
They have even bribed one guy to forge the poll results where lottocoin would be added in some important network payment. That guy was having multiple accounts in bitcointalk.org and clicking thru proxies the lottocoin radio button.

This is their way of 'raising' the coin which you can't see in many other coins. I think it is the most rigged coin of all and I advise everyone to get rid of it as probably it has no chance of survival in the future. If you are choosing to hold this, you are choosing to support this network of people that look only into their profit and you will probably not be able to profit. This coin is dubious and I would not trust it for the future.
I would rather keep my money into BTC than buying lottocoin.

Thanks for listening and I know that some other people will come to support me regarding this matter .. also you can read by yourself all the conversations in lottocoin starting thread to see that everything I say is true and they are just sketchy ...

Lottocoin is premined crap with no open book for premined !!! Careful where you put your valuable BTC !

Hello mate.

Casinos are profitable based on maths. So I want to prove you that you are vary wrong.
Just to mention that I dont know that website nor the devs of lotocoin or website owners.

As I checked on website they use American roulette, which mean have dubble zero.

The chances for a Double-Zero Roulette is 47.37% on Red or Black and 5.26% on greens (2.63% on each)  (source)

So I wrote a little javascript code to take for example 100000 spins (with that odds) and count how many times the same color picked in a row.

And here are the results:

Code:
Picks Percentage Same in a row
Red 47.508 12
Black 47.242 17
Zero 2.673 2
DZero 2.577 1

Of course  you can check my code and run tests here: http://jsfiddle.net/4Q65v/1/

So, giving you 15 times in a row Black, its normal! Its simple maths and chances.
You probably used Martingale strategy to earn some easy cash, but those strategies in long term fail cause of the edge on roulette. (thats why they have zero(s))
If you had more money to afford to double your bets on every lose then you can win that edge, but its impossible.

I dont know if you have gambling problems, you know better, but get a pen and do some simple maths. Then accept it. Smiley

My 2 satoshis.
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February 01, 2014, 08:16:51 AM
#38
We can guess that they probably did lose.

But i think they grossly over exaggerate how they lost.

If the software has legitimate bugs, then we can fix them.

THe casino takes between 0.5 and 1% only.

Think of it this way, if you lose 10,000 LOT, then it means somone else has either won it or its in the win pool waiting to be won

If you guys really did lose like you say post your IDs and i will  post your play history
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February 01, 2014, 08:12:56 AM
#37
I agree, if the dev had any balls then he would have left the old thread open and unmoderated and said "Lotwincasino is being called out as a scam by a bunch of people? Ok I'll remove it from the first post, sorry about that guys, we have a new poker game coming out!" That would have ended the dispute and saved face. Instead the douchebag DOESN'T address the concern, likely because he runs the scam casino himself, locks the thread, opens a new moderated one and deletes EVERY negative post forcing this one to be created. And even in the new thread still touts the scam casino as if everything that was posted was completely ignored. Is the dev a clueless idiot that doesn't care about his coin? Or is he the scammer behind it all, you decide, but I am leaning towards the latter.

The Casino is Operated by Redcoin only

And you know this as an absolute 100% fact, and you also know for a fact that mrlotto has no alternate accounts at all, or that he didn't create the coin solely for the purpose of spamming rigged games? Yeah right, pull the other one. Also this still doesn't make up for 1. locking the thread and policing the new one, 2. never addressing the complaints, 3. still touting the scam casino, 4. calling all of us idiots. It's too late to save face, the damage is done.
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February 01, 2014, 08:06:42 AM
#36
I agree, if the dev had any balls then he would have left the old thread open and unmoderated and said "Lotwincasino is being called out as a scam by a bunch of people? Ok I'll remove it from the first post, sorry about that guys, we have a new poker game coming out!" That would have ended the dispute and saved face. Instead the douchebag DOESN'T address the concern, likely because he runs the scam casino himself, locks the thread, opens a new moderated one and deletes EVERY negative post forcing this one to be created. And even in the new thread still touts the scam casino as if everything that was posted was completely ignored. Is the dev a clueless idiot that doesn't care about his coin? Or is he the scammer behind it all, you decide, but I am leaning towards the latter.

The Casino is Operated by Redcoin only
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February 01, 2014, 08:05:24 AM
#35
all the same person? anything to back that up with buddy?

I assure you I work alone and think for myself. me and these other guys didnt even know each other until this shit

few guys get vocal about some corrupt shit and you go and accuse us of wrong doing? lol

they have threatened to post my personal information on here which they dont have, cause im not whoever they think I am. Held back winnings from a contest and told me via pm to stop rocking the boat.

nothing wrong with that tho right?

I expect more from people trying something like this
nah its just we had a guy Doing that a week ago so thats why they might think that way aswel now=P
and *they have threatened to post my personal information *  theres is no They
Lottocoin aint Backed by One Person or one Casino

Then do what is fucking right and get redcoin to fix the payouts and add some lower betting amounts for the slots (1,2,5,10 etc) 500 coin rolls are retarded unless your a high roller, which most are not.

end this retarded shit fest so we can have 1 unmoderated thread and all get along. I mean we all have the same goal here, right? get rich, fuck bitches?

NONE OF THIS IS HELPING ANYONE

I Fully Agree with u there This aint Helping anyone

Also 500 is indeed alot of Lot to play one Round
but its Redcoins Casino so He Chooses on those Things
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February 01, 2014, 08:03:29 AM
#34
I agree, if the dev had any balls then he would have left the old thread open and unmoderated and said "Lotwincasino is being called out as a scam by a bunch of people? Ok I'll remove it from the first post, sorry about that guys, we have a new poker game coming out!" That would have ended the dispute and saved face. Instead the douchebag DOESN'T address the concern, likely because he runs the scam casino himself, locks the thread, opens a new moderated one and deletes EVERY negative post forcing this one to be created. And even in the new thread still touts the scam casino as if everything that was posted was completely ignored. Is the dev a clueless idiot that doesn't care about his coin? Or is he the scammer behind it all, you decide, but I am leaning towards the latter.
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