This is a good non tech overview of what is anon tech and how it works
http://cryptocereal.com/navs-new-white-paper-the-cheat-sheet/
the white paper is the details
http://www.navcoin.org/files/navtech-whitepaper-beta-v0.9.pdf
is there a updated one? or should it be renamed it's not beta anymore.
Topic: ★[ANN] [NAV] NAV COIN - Community Fund Live!!! - page 205. (Read 2085654 times)
There is a bounty http://navcoin.org/bounty if you can can successfully trace a transaction routed through the NAV anonymous network. To be eligible to receive the bounty, we have to be able to reproduce your findings. If you think you've cracked the code, email your results to [email protected].
send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
Can't you trace a transaction by looking at its timestamp if volume of transactions isn't that high ?send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
Show us how you do it.
. I am not a cryptographic and network expert so I can't investigate it 
. But it might be worth to think about it and whether it is possible. The problem is that I am not a network and blockchain expert so I don't know what is possible for a government. Maybe they can first make a lot of anon transactions themselves and based on that determine incoming and outgoing servers addresses. Then they could log all trafic going to this anon network and see which computer sent it. If they combine this info with timestamp and NAV blockchain info, then they know which computer sent to the anon network at that moment. And if there is only 1 outgoing transaction at the same time, and they trace that packet than they know both send and receiver ... no ? I am just trying to understand the article I read. I think if this would really be a problem, it can still be solved easily by just queueing until enough transactions arrived and then shuffle the order in which you sent them out.
But anyway, let me know if I am making sense here or if things that I assume cannot technically be realized by a government. Always interested in learning more about technology
There is a bounty http://navcoin.org/bounty if you can can successfully trace a transaction routed through the NAV anonymous network. To be eligible to receive the bounty, we have to be able to reproduce your findings. If you think you've cracked the code, email your results to [email protected].
send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
Can't you trace a transaction by looking at its timestamp if volume of transactions isn't that high ?send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
Show us how you do it.
There is a bounty http://navcoin.org/bounty if you can can successfully trace a transaction routed through the NAV anonymous network. To be eligible to receive the bounty, we have to be able to reproduce your findings. If you think you've cracked the code, email your results to [email protected].
send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
Can't you trace a transaction by looking at its timestamp if volume of transactions isn't that high ? send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
Just a reminder that NAV can be traded on Bitsquare.
You can link your offer to a % of current Poloniex price or a fixed amount
like polo price - 2% or .00005900BTC/NAV with linked price you don't need to delete and remake offers
Also this is not a central server your BTC or coins are kept in your local bitsquare app until actual trade is made. No one can 'hack' or use owner access to steal coins. TX is P2P over TOR my Bitsquare app talks to your app. With Tor ISP monitoring of usage is much harder.
You can use anontech to fund bitsquare NAV account
You can link your offer to a % of current Poloniex price or a fixed amount
like polo price - 2% or .00005900BTC/NAV with linked price you don't need to delete and remake offers
Also this is not a central server your BTC or coins are kept in your local bitsquare app until actual trade is made. No one can 'hack' or use owner access to steal coins. TX is P2P over TOR my Bitsquare app talks to your app. With Tor ISP monitoring of usage is much harder.
You can use anontech to fund bitsquare NAV account
There is a bounty http://navcoin.org/bounty if you can can successfully trace a transaction routed through the NAV anonymous network. To be eligible to receive the bounty, we have to be able to reproduce your findings. If you think you've cracked the code, email your results to [email protected].
send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
What do you mean with tracing ? Is it ok to just know which address sent to the other one or do you also need to find out the amount that was sent ? send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
There is a bounty http://navcoin.org/bounty if you can can successfully trace a transaction routed through the NAV anonymous network. To be eligible to receive the bounty, we have to be able to reproduce your findings. If you think you've cracked the code, email your results to [email protected].
send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
send NAV with anontech to faucet as an example
Can any DEV shortly explain, why NAV is better choice than Monero and Dash, when it comes to anonymous transactions? We all know that anon is good for privacy. Even Edward Snowden recommend encryption and vpn use...
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/govt-realized-bitcoin-not-shut-says-u-s-federal-prosecutor/
In further portions of the interview, Haun stated that mixers and tumblers, which aim to obfuscate transactions, “were not that great, did not tumble or mix as well as advertised” and, “some of the time” allowed investigators to “unscramble” transactions.
This is how Monero and Dash work.
Decemberish
When anon full nodes will be available. Im gonna make a script for an automatic implementation of it.
When full nodes will be available? Any dates?Can any DEV shortly explain, why NAV is better choice than Monero and Dash, when it comes to anonymous transactions? We all know that anon is good for privacy. Even Edward Snowden recommend encryption and vpn use...
Hi,
May I answer with a question? Have you taken a look at each technology and compared?
I just asked because we had many discussions about this where I had the feeling people just throw around with keywords like masternodes and ring signatures and don't really know what behind this.
Mixing service is proofen to lay a fork on the transaction. But with time and afford you can unmix.
This is a good read about Monero
http://www.trustnodes.com/is-monero-really-anonymous
And here you can see the problems they are dealing with:
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf
Also a good read when you are interested. So far we can proudly say that nobody was able to brake nav anon and gain the bounty! And we had some real good people trying it last year.
Regards
Shahim
Can any DEV shortly explain, why NAV is better choice than Monero and Dash, when it comes to anonymous transactions? We all know that anon is good for privacy. Even Edward Snowden recommend encryption and vpn use...
It's not only to hide from governments; it's to hide from neighbours, insurers, workmates. Do you want your flight to cost more because the airline can see you make more money?
Do you want your insurer to know what you buy and who you associate with? (Facebook stopped an insurance company from giving discounts for revealing one's Facebook account recently, but probably only because that's a service they want companies to pay Facebook for -- They have data scientists working on it and patents for it.)
Do you want potential employers to know how much you make in your present job? Do you want your present employer to see how much you made in your previous jobs?
Seems like it's something that would put one at a disadvantage in any kind of negotiation.
You see ... this is the first time I got a real argument that makes sense. Most of the other arguments were just fanboy arguments (not bad intended). I think it is important to stay critical and really come up with convincing arguments. People are not going to use something if they are not convinced. In theory I could care less that they know I bought coffee. But if they are going to spam my gmail or youtube accounts with coffee adds I am not interested in, well then suddenly I might be interested to keep my activities secret. And this is the kind of message that needs to reach to the people. Only then people can get convinced to use it. Do you want your insurer to know what you buy and who you associate with? (Facebook stopped an insurance company from giving discounts for revealing one's Facebook account recently, but probably only because that's a service they want companies to pay Facebook for -- They have data scientists working on it and patents for it.)
Do you want potential employers to know how much you make in your present job? Do you want your present employer to see how much you made in your previous jobs?
Seems like it's something that would put one at a disadvantage in any kind of negotiation.
Thanks for these arguments, brownman !
NAV is an anonymous coin. That is what is actually known for in the outside world. The fact that NAV has faster transactions than Bitcoin and its other advantages are not really seen as NAVs main features by the outside world. And I guess other coins out there also have faster transactions than Bitcoin. So summarized, NAVs strength is anonimity. Yes, anonimity is nice sometimes. But lets be honest here ... do you really care government knows you bought 2 bananas, 1 apple and an icecream in your local store ? Do you really care if government knows you ordered new pants in an online store ? In case of online stores ... does it really matter if Bitcoin takes 30 minutes to arrive if the delivery of the pants takes 2-5 days (the 30 minutes are actually irrelevant as your order is known immediately when you push PURCHASE button) ? I don't think that most people would have problems with that.
What is the main advantage of an anonymous coin ? To hide what you bought and from who. When are people interested in this: tax avoidance and black markets. The only exception I know is maybe people wanting to hide they bought gold/silver or if they maybe paid for sexual services.
I am not saying that I don't value privacy of my purchases, even if I buy pineapples and yoghurt. But I doubt many people really care a lot about that. Merchants will probably prefer it to hide they sold something so they don't need to pay taxes on it. I think that if you really believe that NAV will mainly be used for honest activities than I think you are not being realistic. Why would I need any other crypto other than Bitcoin to buy groceries ? People are using Bitcoin right now to buy coffee in a cafe despite Bitcoins transaction taking 30 minutes. If I read your reply I have the feeling you want to compete against Bitcoin and win the fight. But I don't think that is the right path to go. Overtaking Bitcoin is almost impossible.
I am not claiming I am right and I am always open to change my mind about this. But then I need strong arguments which at this moment I didn't come up with one yet.
What is the main advantage of an anonymous coin ? To hide what you bought and from who. When are people interested in this: tax avoidance and black markets. The only exception I know is maybe people wanting to hide they bought gold/silver or if they maybe paid for sexual services.
I am not saying that I don't value privacy of my purchases, even if I buy pineapples and yoghurt. But I doubt many people really care a lot about that. Merchants will probably prefer it to hide they sold something so they don't need to pay taxes on it. I think that if you really believe that NAV will mainly be used for honest activities than I think you are not being realistic. Why would I need any other crypto other than Bitcoin to buy groceries ? People are using Bitcoin right now to buy coffee in a cafe despite Bitcoins transaction taking 30 minutes. If I read your reply I have the feeling you want to compete against Bitcoin and win the fight. But I don't think that is the right path to go. Overtaking Bitcoin is almost impossible.
I am not claiming I am right and I am always open to change my mind about this. But then I need strong arguments which at this moment I didn't come up with one yet.
It's not only to hide from governments; it's to hide from neighbours, insurers, workmates. Do you want your flight to cost more because the airline can see you make more money?
Do you want your insurer to know what you buy and who you associate with? (Facebook stopped an insurance company from giving discounts for revealing one's Facebook account recently, but probably only because that's a service they want companies to pay Facebook for -- They have data scientists working on it and patents for it.)
Do you want potential employers to know how much you make in your present job? Do you want your present employer to see how much you made in your previous jobs?
Seems like it's something that would put one at a disadvantage in any kind of negotiation.
When anon full nodes will be available. Im gonna make a script for an automatic implementation of it.
When full nodes will be available? Any dates? 
Stop using Dollars, which is used in pedophilia drugs, weapons.
Stop using euros, which is used in pedophilia drugs, weapons.
Stop using every currency which is used in all illegal stuff.
Stop using euros, which is used in pedophilia drugs, weapons.
Stop using every currency which is used in all illegal stuff.
I would leave NAV Coin if community or Devs focus the interest in Darkmarkets. It's not the view of the team at all.
I would't like to see my name linked to a network of pedophiles, drug dealers or arm dealers...Actually Darknet looks much like the 1% that rules the world.
Nobody is talking about what Anon is bringing to table which is a DECENTRALISED PRIVATE AND SECURE system to do monetary transactions.
One of the main features of NAV Coin is the time between transactions and that's VERY VERY IMPORTANT in a cryptocurrency.
I think that instead of looking for rapid solutions into making a fast $ community should focus in helping DEV team in promoting it.
I see many complains but few ideas.
I can't believe that NAV community is talentless and only cares about a fast profit.
Come on guys bring your talents.
You do video? well... Make videos of NAV (I have seen some videos from users that help) You do Photoshop? Well..There's loads of info about NAV in the website and some infrographics that Pakage made as a guide.
As I say before... More focus in help rather than complain.
I would't like to see my name linked to a network of pedophiles, drug dealers or arm dealers...Actually Darknet looks much like the 1% that rules the world.
Nobody is talking about what Anon is bringing to table which is a DECENTRALISED PRIVATE AND SECURE system to do monetary transactions.
One of the main features of NAV Coin is the time between transactions and that's VERY VERY IMPORTANT in a cryptocurrency.
I think that instead of looking for rapid solutions into making a fast $ community should focus in helping DEV team in promoting it.
I see many complains but few ideas.
I can't believe that NAV community is talentless and only cares about a fast profit.
Come on guys bring your talents.
You do video? well... Make videos of NAV (I have seen some videos from users that help) You do Photoshop? Well..There's loads of info about NAV in the website and some infrographics that Pakage made as a guide.
As I say before... More focus in help rather than complain.
I wish I could mate.
This is why in a way I joined crypto.
I have the same vision. I think you are getting me wrong. I just think it's wrong to focus the development of NAV Coin into Darkmarkets.
And I think the DEV team thinks like me on this.
When anon full nodes will be available. Im gonna make a script for an automatic implementation of it.
How hard would it be to develop a full node wallet that only needs to be downloaded and installed. That the user does not need to do anything with the config file but the program just automatically updates the file and takes care of everything else?
I don't want to buy coffe and be tracked as a coffe buyer and be a part of any kind of database which handles people which consume coffe. And receive future coffe advertisings
I don't want to buy sex toy and be tracked as a sex toys user.
I want to be anonymous in every aspect of my life. Because i don't want nobody knows what im doing, because there is a lot of publicity campaigns, and preconceptions in this world.
Marihuana is illegal and you can buy it in dark markets. But in some countries Marihuana is legal. Then many people don't like dark markets to buy drugs, but as soon as they are illegal their thoughts will change... Then i think. In what are based all of your thoughts and preconceptions? Maybe education? experiences in your life? Maybe you smoked a big spliff when you was young and it hurted deeply and now MARIHUANA IS BAD. All preconceptions and prejudices are bad. People is free to choose whatever they want.
Many countries and intelectual people said many times, illegal drugs make MUCH more bad things to the world and the people than them legal. You can see proofs around the world, Portugal, Uruguay, Mexico, etc... Even the son of Pablo Escobar say this.
Im agree with negate the dark markets for false IDS, assasins, etc...
But what about if i want to buy marihuana for me in anonymous way? In uruguay its legal, in the rest of the world illegal... Everything in this world is CRAZY.
We are living in a world of crazy and psychopatic leaders and governments.
I want an anonymous coin for EVERYTHING, i don't want anybody knows what im buying, even a coffe, a telephone, or a bag of marihuana. This is my opinion
PD: I don't consume marihuana, i take it as an example of a soft drug, legal in some countries and illegal in others
What is the main advantage of an anonymous coin ? To hide what you bought and from who. When are people interested in this: tax avoidance and black markets. The only exception I know is maybe people wanting to hide they bought gold/silver or if they maybe paid for sexual services.
I am not saying that I don't value privacy of my purchases, even if I buy pineapples and yoghurt. But I doubt many people really care a lot about that. Merchants will probably prefer it to hide they sold something so they don't need to pay taxes on it. I think that if you really believe that NAV will mainly be used for honest activities than I think you are not being realistic. Why would I need any other crypto other than Bitcoin to buy groceries ? People are using Bitcoin right now to buy coffee in a cafe despite Bitcoins transaction taking 30 minutes. If I read your reply I have the feeling you want to compete against Bitcoin and win the fight. But I don't think that is the right path to go. Overtaking Bitcoin is almost impossible.
I am not claiming I am right and I am always open to change my mind about this. But then I need strong arguments which at this moment I didn't come up with one yet.
I don't want to buy sex toy and be tracked as a sex toys user.
I want to be anonymous in every aspect of my life. Because i don't want nobody knows what im doing, because there is a lot of publicity campaigns, and preconceptions in this world.
Marihuana is illegal and you can buy it in dark markets. But in some countries Marihuana is legal. Then many people don't like dark markets to buy drugs, but as soon as they are illegal their thoughts will change... Then i think. In what are based all of your thoughts and preconceptions? Maybe education? experiences in your life? Maybe you smoked a big spliff when you was young and it hurted deeply and now MARIHUANA IS BAD. All preconceptions and prejudices are bad. People is free to choose whatever they want.
Many countries and intelectual people said many times, illegal drugs make MUCH more bad things to the world and the people than them legal. You can see proofs around the world, Portugal, Uruguay, Mexico, etc... Even the son of Pablo Escobar say this.
Im agree with negate the dark markets for false IDS, assasins, etc...
But what about if i want to buy marihuana for me in anonymous way? In uruguay its legal, in the rest of the world illegal... Everything in this world is CRAZY.
We are living in a world of crazy and psychopatic leaders and governments.
I want an anonymous coin for EVERYTHING, i don't want anybody knows what im buying, even a coffe, a telephone, or a bag of marihuana. This is my opinion
PD: I don't consume marihuana, i take it as an example of a soft drug, legal in some countries and illegal in others
Hopefully this changes your mindset on the Benefits of a evolving Crypto Landscape and why NAVCoin does NOT need to go anywhere near the Darkweb but is a evolution in Digital Money
Maybe a late reply but I was thinking about it and this is my view. NAV is an anonymous coin. That is what is actually known for in the outside world. The fact that NAV has faster transactions than Bitcoin and its other advantages are not really seen as NAVs main features by the outside world. And I guess other coins out there also have faster transactions than Bitcoin. So summarized, NAVs strength is anonimity. Yes, anonimity is nice sometimes. But lets be honest here ... do you really care government knows you bought 2 bananas, 1 apple and an icecream in your local store ? Do you really care if government knows you ordered new pants in an online store ? In case of online stores ... does it really matter if Bitcoin takes 30 minutes to arrive if the delivery of the pants takes 2-5 days (the 30 minutes are actually irrelevant as your order is known immediately when you push PURCHASE button) ? I don't think that most people would have problems with that. What is the main advantage of an anonymous coin ? To hide what you bought and from who. When are people interested in this: tax avoidance and black markets. The only exception I know is maybe people wanting to hide they bought gold/silver or if they maybe paid for sexual services.
I am not saying that I don't value privacy of my purchases, even if I buy pineapples and yoghurt. But I doubt many people really care a lot about that. Merchants will probably prefer it to hide they sold something so they don't need to pay taxes on it. I think that if you really believe that NAV will mainly be used for honest activities than I think you are not being realistic. Why would I need any other crypto other than Bitcoin to buy groceries ? People are using Bitcoin right now to buy coffee in a cafe despite Bitcoins transaction taking 30 minutes. If I read your reply I have the feeling you want to compete against Bitcoin and win the fight. But I don't think that is the right path to go. Overtaking Bitcoin is almost impossible.
I am not claiming I am right and I am always open to change my mind about this. But then I need strong arguments which at this moment I didn't come up with one yet.
Stop using Dollars, which is used in pedophilia drugs, weapons.
Stop using euros, which is used in pedophilia drugs, weapons.
Stop using every currency which is used in all illegal stuff.
Stop using euros, which is used in pedophilia drugs, weapons.
Stop using every currency which is used in all illegal stuff.
I would leave NAV Coin if community or Devs focus the interest in Darkmarkets. It's not the view of the team at all.
I would't like to see my name linked to a network of pedophiles, drug dealers or arm dealers...Actually Darknet looks much like the 1% that rules the world.
Nobody is talking about what Anon is bringing to table which is a DECENTRALISED PRIVATE AND SECURE system to do monetary transactions.
One of the main features of NAV Coin is the time between transactions and that's VERY VERY IMPORTANT in a cryptocurrency.
I think that instead of looking for rapid solutions into making a fast $ community should focus in helping DEV team in promoting it.
I see many complains but few ideas.
I can't believe that NAV community is talentless and only cares about a fast profit.
Come on guys bring your talents.
You do video? well... Make videos of NAV (I have seen some videos from users that help) You do Photoshop? Well..There's loads of info about NAV in the website and some infrographics that Pakage made as a guide.
As I say before... More focus in help rather than complain.
I would't like to see my name linked to a network of pedophiles, drug dealers or arm dealers...Actually Darknet looks much like the 1% that rules the world.
Nobody is talking about what Anon is bringing to table which is a DECENTRALISED PRIVATE AND SECURE system to do monetary transactions.
One of the main features of NAV Coin is the time between transactions and that's VERY VERY IMPORTANT in a cryptocurrency.
I think that instead of looking for rapid solutions into making a fast $ community should focus in helping DEV team in promoting it.
I see many complains but few ideas.
I can't believe that NAV community is talentless and only cares about a fast profit.
Come on guys bring your talents.
You do video? well... Make videos of NAV (I have seen some videos from users that help) You do Photoshop? Well..There's loads of info about NAV in the website and some infrographics that Pakage made as a guide.
As I say before... More focus in help rather than complain.
Hi Nav Coiners,
We've been added to the public coin vote for coinpayments.net. Coin Payments is very similar to Bit Pay, but it allows payments in over 50 alt-coins. If we get added to this platform, Nav Coin will be instantly integrated into over 75000 online stores as a payment option. If you have any spare BTC and would like to see NAV merchant tools, please cast your votes. If we get to 1000 Votes we get automatically added.
I have personally donated 366 votes (0.366 BTC). If you have any dust lying around, please buy us some more votes! They actually give the raised funds to charity and their faucet, so its also a good cause.
Cheers,
Craig.
We've been added to the public coin vote for coinpayments.net. Coin Payments is very similar to Bit Pay, but it allows payments in over 50 alt-coins. If we get added to this platform, Nav Coin will be instantly integrated into over 75000 online stores as a payment option. If you have any spare BTC and would like to see NAV merchant tools, please cast your votes. If we get to 1000 Votes we get automatically added.
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Coin Payments
Integrated payment gateway for cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Litecoin. Over 75,500 vendors across 182 different countries
https://www.coinpayments.net/vote
Integrated payment gateway for cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Litecoin. Over 75,500 vendors across 182 different countries
https://www.coinpayments.net/vote
I have personally donated 366 votes (0.366 BTC). If you have any dust lying around, please buy us some more votes! They actually give the raised funds to charity and their faucet, so its also a good cause.
Cheers,
Craig.
HELP NAV! More action less talk!
How hard would it be to develop a full node wallet that only needs to be downloaded and installed. That the user does not need to do anything with the config file but the program just automatically updates the file and takes care of everything else?
We had this kind of installer package! Where you load an exe and just click and play... also with blockchain download option. I will talk to soopy so we can update that!
We had so much to do that this was put aside last days...
Thanx for you input!
Excellent
Can it ask is this a new install or would you like to add a existing wallet.dat file
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