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I really tried to understand your whitepaper, but I didn't get it  Huh
I am not so familiar with this risk stuff, but if you want to make a good ICO, maybe you should make a little section or video for dummies, like me.
Wish you all the best.
Yes unfortunatelly whitepaper of paypie is very technical. I am an accountant even i hardly understand it. Lots of user (me neither) asked for a eaiser, less technical whitepaper or something but to this time they didn't act on it. But it doesn't mean that they won't do it. Just continue to watch project, there is too much time for ico. Maybe they post something for average joe Smiley
I think a lot of people will invest in this project not knowing all the detailed about the platform. Are you planing to use it to help you with your accounting or just for a chance to gain  some profit?
I think most of us are here because we see the potential in earning an extra buck. Thats how investments work.

I still think that it is important as an investor to understand what you're investing in. They are working on explaining things in the whitepaper in simpler language.

Of course, it is imperative for every investor to know what kind of business they would be investing in and since PAYPIE offers the first accounting platform on the blockchain, investors would eventually realize an opportunity in it. Smiley

Ye dummies version is definitely needed for this project.

And the very reason why I might not invest in this project is, because I don't fully understand it. I sense that there is profit to be made, in the long run, but I forbid myself  to invest in business I dont understand.
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I am thrilled to see a company that is addressing an industry which is ripe for disruption: accounting.

PAYPIE offers the first accounting platform on the blockchain!
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Its true that paypie offer us a great opportunity. Its the first accounting and risk analysis project build with blockchain. Its really innovative and constitue a real chance for an investors. The market application of paypie are very huge and different.
The pre sale is soon and we will have a lot of information about it, im impatient to see the minimum and the maximum cap. It Think a lot of people want to Join paypie, the pre sale will be a sucess and ico too !
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When is the presale due and will it be min capped? thanks Smiley

There is written : Token Crowdsale Opens on Oct 15, 2017

But no information about the presale, or is it the date of the presale ?
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I really tried to understand your whitepaper, but I didn't get it  Huh
I am not so familiar with this risk stuff, but if you want to make a good ICO, maybe you should make a little section or video for dummies, like me.
Wish you all the best.
Yes unfortunatelly whitepaper of paypie is very technical. I am an accountant even i hardly understand it. Lots of user (me neither) asked for a eaiser, less technical whitepaper or something but to this time they didn't act on it. But it doesn't mean that they won't do it. Just continue to watch project, there is too much time for ico. Maybe they post something for average joe Smiley
I think a lot of people will invest in this project not knowing all the detailed about the platform. Are you planing to use it to help you with your accounting or just for a chance to gain  some profit?
I think most of us are here because we see the potential in earning an extra buck. Thats how investments work.

I still think that it is important as an investor to understand what you're investing in. They are working on explaining things in the whitepaper in simpler language.

Of course, it is imperative for every investor to know what kind of business they would be investing in and since PAYPIE offers the first accounting platform on the blockchain, investors would eventually realize an opportunity in it. Smiley
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I really tried to understand your whitepaper, but I didn't get it  Huh
I am not so familiar with this risk stuff, but if you want to make a good ICO, maybe you should make a little section or video for dummies, like me.
Wish you all the best.
Yes unfortunatelly whitepaper of paypie is very technical. I am an accountant even i hardly understand it. Lots of user (me neither) asked for a eaiser, less technical whitepaper or something but to this time they didn't act on it. But it doesn't mean that they won't do it. Just continue to watch project, there is too much time for ico. Maybe they post something for average joe Smiley
I think a lot of people will invest in this project not knowing all the detailed about the platform. Are you planing to use it to help you with your accounting or just for a chance to gain  some profit?
I think most of us are here because we see the potential in earning an extra buck. Thats how investments work.

I still think that it is important as an investor to understand what you're investing in. They are working on explaining things in the whitepaper in simpler language.

I also think it is important to understand the projects in which you invest at all. Otherwise you are not able to estimate the value of it for yourself and you can just follow others which could lead into a bad direction.

Well studying this Threat is also a good help to understand more of the project.
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When is the presale due and will it be min capped? thanks Smiley

Hello, Details about the presale (date, Min cap etc) are yet to be finalized. Once It is finalised, The information will be shared here.

In the meantime, You should subscribe to the PayPie Newsletter on the website: https://paypie.com or Join the Slack Channel: https://paypie.herokuapp.com/

Thanks for a Quick response. This is a part sometimes overseen. Threads are created but to little interaction from the team, this doesnt seem to be the case here. Will give the whitepaper a try although a few persons states it is not an easy read.

The whitepaper might be a bit complex but It sure contains all the details about PayPie's  accounting platform. So It's definitely worth the read. The Paypie team will soon launch their blog where information on the whitepaper will be explained in ELI5.
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When is the presale due and will it be min capped? thanks Smiley

Hello, Details about the presale (date, Min cap etc) are yet to be finalized. Once It is finalised, The information will be shared here.

In the meantime, You should subscribe to the PayPie Newsletter on the website: https://paypie.com or Join the Slack Channel: https://paypie.herokuapp.com/

Thanks for a Quick response. This is a part sometimes overseen. Threads are created but to little interaction from the team, this doesnt seem to be the case here. Will give the whitepaper a try although a few persons states it is not an easy read.
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Also how are companies incentivized to add their companies financials to the platform? Do they receive tokens in exchange for providing their data? Finally, is there a similar credit score rating contemplated for individuals?
On the slack, a similar questions were asked and got these responses which were quite insightful.
"Initially we will be attracting established companies to the marketplace by enabling east and fast lending process from anywhere, anytime. Current process with banks is cumbersome, time consuming and very expensive and can eat up to 25-30% of the invoice value in agreement cost, interest and fees. This exposes them to the benefits of blockchain accounting and create wider awareness among them. We already have and will build more relationship with organized groups like accounting and bookkeeping firms who usually advise businesses on what platform to use. The benefits like ending duplicate data entry, automated reconciliation and automatic audits are some of the huge benefits that are simply too hard to ignore because they impact your profits."

Finally, is there a similar credit score rating contemplated for individuals? What I mean is are you proposing a score that would compete with FICO for rating consumers? If so, this could have promise as well.    
"Only if person is self employed like a contractor or web developer. We will be able to build a risk score based their income, expenses  and other historical data."

Hello dev team, this is really promising IMHO and will consider an allocation as I learn more about the project and possible valuation. Is this product intended to compete with the oligopoly of S&P, Fitch, and Moodys for credit rating services? Or are you primarily targeting smaller businesses that are outside of the purview of the large rating services? It seems to me to be the latter. Either way there should be room for growth.  
They are actually targeting the big players and offering a lot of incentives to use the paypie platform
"Yes, we are not building an accounting software but an accounting platform that exposes to the many benefits of blockchain to the SMEs. It's a mix of accounting software and credit scoring companies....you can think this way because we use the blockchain to solve their cashflow problem."

you should join the slack to communicate directly with members of the team. https://paypie.herokuapp.com/

This is very good answers, and I was already aware of the accounting platform, but not the credit scoring, I thought they had an algorithm to give credit risk predictions, but it appears that it will be integrated fully in the platform, together with a complex ledger to act upon it, so that scoring algorithm is just one part of the product the project is offering to the market, this is getting good by the day Cheesy.

Yes, PayPie is not building an accounting software but an accounting platform that exposes to the many benefits of blockchain to the SMEs. It's a mix of accounting software and credit scoring companies....you can think this way because we use the blockchain to solve their cashflow problem.
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How will this project actually get off the ground? You are targeting the SME space, but the SME space isn't actually the space that is most eager to adopt blockchain technology. If you want to provide a 100% accurate risk assessment, you need a 100% transparent picture of the company. And therefore you need 100% of all assets and liabilities being accessible for you. And therefore you need a double layer accounting system with a data feed infrastructure between the double entry and the triple entry layer. And that again is adding complexity in the first place, which many of those companies will not want. Are you actually targeting companies that are about to be newly incepted or established companies that you want to get to transfer their double entry data into triple entry accounting infrastructure?
You might actually be surprised that a lot of SME will appreciate this service. As I aforementioned, if this service becomes the norm, it will break down barriers and encourage universal lending. So a SME in South Africa might not be able to apply for a loan with a bank in Australia. Because the bank has no way to prove their credit worthiness, with Paypie, the bank can easily verify their assets and liabilities. Thus enabling a process that was priorly deemed impossible.
As for does complaining about companies with shady paperwork, well Paypie is not meant for them and honestly, those shady companies shouldn't get funds that could be allocated to another company operating in an honest fashion

But that does not fully answer my question. How are you making sure that all assets and liabilities are correctly captured on the blockchain in order to reliably assess credit worthiness? Does that only work for companies that start their business more or less newly and completely on the blockchain?

Oh! I see what you mean. But I do anticipate that there will be kinks to work out in the beginning. They might enforce that liquidity/liabilities be completely verifiable but this will require governmental assistance to enforce. That's why i believe this platform will gain a stronghold in first world countries where the supplemental needs are already in place, and as other partsof the world embrace growth/ blockchain, their government might consider adopting the platform cos ultimately it helps guarantee that basic citizens and businesss are paying the required amount of tax

First off, PayPie will build direct integrations that fetches "Journal Entry" data, the basic DNA of business finances. Once an SME would like to access marketplace, they will do a quick setup in their preferred accounting system and data will be automatically fetched into PayPie and will be hashed on the blockchain. The concept of Single Ledger is a step further because paypie will be able to better manage the element of verification at the source of the data.
PayPie will have some KYC process in place to ensure SMEs are legit.
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I really tried to understand your whitepaper, but I didn't get it  Huh
I am not so familiar with this risk stuff, but if you want to make a good ICO, maybe you should make a little section or video for dummies, like me.
Wish you all the best.
Yes unfortunatelly whitepaper of paypie is very technical. I am an accountant even i hardly understand it. Lots of user (me neither) asked for a eaiser, less technical whitepaper or something but to this time they didn't act on it. But it doesn't mean that they won't do it. Just continue to watch project, there is too much time for ico. Maybe they post something for average joe Smiley
I think a lot of people will invest in this project not knowing all the detailed about the platform. Are you planing to use it to help you with your accounting or just for a chance to gain  some profit?
I think most of us are here because we see the potential in earning an extra buck. Thats how investments work.

Yes, the whitepaper is quite technical but for me the video on the website helped and there is this thread. Just ask your questions here, that's what it is for. You should know the project you are investing in. And an other thing you could do is to join their slack channel. Maybe they can answer your questions there.
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Also how are companies incentivized to add their companies financials to the platform? Do they receive tokens in exchange for providing their data? Finally, is there a similar credit score rating contemplated for individuals?
On the slack, a similar questions were asked and got these responses which were quite insightful.
"Initially we will be attracting established companies to the marketplace by enabling east and fast lending process from anywhere, anytime. Current process with banks is cumbersome, time consuming and very expensive and can eat up to 25-30% of the invoice value in agreement cost, interest and fees. This exposes them to the benefits of blockchain accounting and create wider awareness among them. We already have and will build more relationship with organized groups like accounting and bookkeeping firms who usually advise businesses on what platform to use. The benefits like ending duplicate data entry, automated reconciliation and automatic audits are some of the huge benefits that are simply too hard to ignore because they impact your profits."

Finally, is there a similar credit score rating contemplated for individuals? What I mean is are you proposing a score that would compete with FICO for rating consumers? If so, this could have promise as well.    
"Only if person is self employed like a contractor or web developer. We will be able to build a risk score based their income, expenses  and other historical data."

Hello dev team, this is really promising IMHO and will consider an allocation as I learn more about the project and possible valuation. Is this product intended to compete with the oligopoly of S&P, Fitch, and Moodys for credit rating services? Or are you primarily targeting smaller businesses that are outside of the purview of the large rating services? It seems to me to be the latter. Either way there should be room for growth.  
They are actually targeting the big players and offering a lot of incentives to use the paypie platform
"Yes, we are not building an accounting software but an accounting platform that exposes to the many benefits of blockchain to the SMEs. It's a mix of accounting software and credit scoring companies....you can think this way because we use the blockchain to solve their cashflow problem."

you should join the slack to communicate directly with members of the team. https://paypie.herokuapp.com/

This is very good answers, and I was already aware of the accounting platform, but not the credit scoring, I thought they had an algorithm to give credit risk predictions, but it appears that it will be integrated fully in the platform, together with a complex ledger to act upon it, so that scoring algorithm is just one part of the product the project is offering to the market, this is getting good by the day Cheesy.
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When is the presale due and will it be min capped? thanks Smiley

Hello, Details about the presale (date, Min cap etc) are yet to be finalized. Once It is finalised, The information will be shared here.

In the meantime, You should subscribe to the PayPie Newsletter on the website: https://paypie.com or Join the Slack Channel: https://paypie.herokuapp.com/
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I really tried to understand your whitepaper, but I didn't get it  Huh
I am not so familiar with this risk stuff, but if you want to make a good ICO, maybe you should make a little section or video for dummies, like me.
Wish you all the best.
Yes unfortunatelly whitepaper of paypie is very technical. I am an accountant even i hardly understand it. Lots of user (me neither) asked for a eaiser, less technical whitepaper or something but to this time they didn't act on it. But it doesn't mean that they won't do it. Just continue to watch project, there is too much time for ico. Maybe they post something for average joe Smiley
I think a lot of people will invest in this project not knowing all the detailed about the platform. Are you planing to use it to help you with your accounting or just for a chance to gain  some profit?
I think most of us are here because we see the potential in earning an extra buck. Thats how investments work.

I still think that it is important as an investor to understand what you're investing in. They are working on explaining things in the whitepaper in simpler language.
full member
Activity: 532
Merit: 102

Also how are companies incentivized to add their companies financials to the platform? Do they receive tokens in exchange for providing their data? Finally, is there a similar credit score rating contemplated for individuals?
On the slack, a similar questions were asked and got these responses which were quite insightful.
"Initially we will be attracting established companies to the marketplace by enabling east and fast lending process from anywhere, anytime. Current process with banks is cumbersome, time consuming and very expensive and can eat up to 25-30% of the invoice value in agreement cost, interest and fees. This exposes them to the benefits of blockchain accounting and create wider awareness among them. We already have and will build more relationship with organized groups like accounting and bookkeeping firms who usually advise businesses on what platform to use. The benefits like ending duplicate data entry, automated reconciliation and automatic audits are some of the huge benefits that are simply too hard to ignore because they impact your profits."

Finally, is there a similar credit score rating contemplated for individuals? What I mean is are you proposing a score that would compete with FICO for rating consumers? If so, this could have promise as well.    
"Only if person is self employed like a contractor or web developer. We will be able to build a risk score based their income, expenses  and other historical data."

Hello dev team, this is really promising IMHO and will consider an allocation as I learn more about the project and possible valuation. Is this product intended to compete with the oligopoly of S&P, Fitch, and Moodys for credit rating services? Or are you primarily targeting smaller businesses that are outside of the purview of the large rating services? It seems to me to be the latter. Either way there should be room for growth.  
They are actually targeting the big players and offering a lot of incentives to use the paypie platform
"Yes, we are not building an accounting software but an accounting platform that exposes to the many benefits of blockchain to the SMEs. It's a mix of accounting software and credit scoring companies....you can think this way because we use the blockchain to solve their cashflow problem."

you should join the slack to communicate directly with members of the team. https://paypie.herokuapp.com/
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I really tried to understand your whitepaper, but I didn't get it  Huh
I am not so familiar with this risk stuff, but if you want to make a good ICO, maybe you should make a little section or video for dummies, like me.
Wish you all the best.
Yes unfortunatelly whitepaper of paypie is very technical. I am an accountant even i hardly understand it. Lots of user (me neither) asked for a eaiser, less technical whitepaper or something but to this time they didn't act on it. But it doesn't mean that they won't do it. Just continue to watch project, there is too much time for ico. Maybe they post something for average joe Smiley
I think a lot of people will invest in this project not knowing all the detailed about the platform. Are you planing to use it to help you with your accounting or just for a chance to gain  some profit?
I think most of us are here because we see the potential in earning an extra buck. Thats how investments work.
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I really tried to understand your whitepaper, but I didn't get it  Huh
I am not so familiar with this risk stuff, but if you want to make a good ICO, maybe you should make a little section or video for dummies, like me.
Wish you all the best.

Yes unfortunatelly whitepaper of paypie is very technical. I am an accountant even i hardly understand it. Lots of user (me neither) asked for a eaiser, less technical whitepaper or something but to this time they didn't act on it. But it doesn't mean that they won't do it. Just continue to watch project, there is too much time for ico. Maybe they post something for average joe Smiley

On first page you have FAQ where it is more clear than in whitepaper, but If I can advice I would say that something like ELI5 use case would help to attract more people.
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When is the presale due and will it be min capped? thanks Smiley
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of course bonus will be there or, as an investor, why would I join pre sale if I can buy same amount of tokens with the same amount of ether in ICO ?
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is ICO or pre-ICO price announce?

Price per token: 1 PPP = 0.0011 ETH
But things like discounts or bonuses have not been announced yet.

Probably there will be some bonuses at presale stage and first weeks (or days) of main ICO stage as usual. Just be patient and wait for official announcements and news  Smiley

Yes, it would be weird to have a presale without any bonus. Even some big projects which tried to so finally changed their minds and put a bonus on the presale.

I think there will be a bonus. Or they should really lower the price comparing to the ICO price Smiley.
Really hope this will be a succes. Good luck devs!
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