Topic: [ANN] Revamped PinkCoin (PC / PINK) PoS | Multipool | Fundraiser | Anonymous - page 57. (Read 207034 times)

Barabass do yourself a favor and stick to these threads where you actually support the coin. Why do you go on other threads and write posts (I should say essays and short books) belittling the coin and developers. If you don't like a particular coin, leave it alone..why do you keep bashing it with your long sophisticated rhetoric? For anybody wondering what Im talking about, visit the VRC thread. He also did the same thing with Cinni.

In short, if you dont like some other coin, then stay away. What is your agenda of relentless negativity?
If you like and want to support a particular coin (in this case pink coin), then cool, stick this coin and thread. Like some people have mentioned here already, get your head out of your ass. Look in a mirror before you start your self righteous bashing campaigns on other threads.

Thanks for the kudos Cayce but I wanted to be a ninja too. Barabbas i believe you are a very intelligent person and could be right about all your claims. Here at pinkcoin thread we treat each other with RESPECT. I don't like the way you address the community as a whole and don't like how you do not care how you are perceived in this community. Cayce is our leader and that is because he leads by example. We are looking for other people that want to lead by example. Your ideas are great and you have added to the discussion some avenues that are very explorable. This coin cannot have a backstep you are right we are in a sea of other coins. But the leadership group has given us a clear path through the sea and it includes being completely transparent to investors and clearly avoiding a scandal (actual or perceived). The developers work hard to better the coin with no salary or compensation of any kind. This is the lead by example spirit that has excited and motivated the core team to take initiative. You have taken a much different approach and I personally am not interested in working with you. This is a very welcoming community and the fact that many in the community are so vehemently opposed to any association to you in any way has made up my mind. Pinkers let's stay positive.

A sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind. Although I'd like to see things from your point of view, I just can't seem to get my head that far up my ass. It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.

People's perceptions are not of my incumbence.

It is regrettable that your stupid considerations cannot be diminished by an attitude that reinforces their quality. To each his own.

Not only is your ego overinflated, but you do indeed seem to be a shady character. (Even your username is shady.) Instead of moving forward and taking a few steps on your own with your plan (as a show of good faith) as suggested by the dev team, the fact that you felt you had to make a withdrawal of your proposal only accentuates the fact that you cannot be trusted. The fact that you are plagued by people who don't trust you everywhere you go only solidifies my suspicions. Therefore I stand by my post and will continue to praise and give kudos to everyone that I feel deserves it and expose those whom I am skeptical of.

Anoxy, the "idea" (proposal, rather) has been withdrawn already, it is not up for consideration any longer.

After Reading and reflecting I am no longer supporting Barabbas and his plans for 20th july.
Everyone who is willing to help PINK should do it For free, and it is up to dev to decide if they want to give something for the help.
i dont think we should support Barabbas idea.

I Can if dev wants deliver t shirts USB and everything Else to people in capita log Sweden to get peoples attention for PINK for free.

Regards Anoxy

The slogan of the whole campaign was THINK BIG. THINK PINK. And that, obviously is not something everyone is capable of. You obviously are entitled to your opinion but considering that I don't know who you are and I have decades worth of international media experience, I believe I am entitled to make "predictions" -to the extent that were made- that are anything but "outrageous". As for the ability of my plan to influence politics, again, you prove to have a very small concept of what was implied in the plan and outright lack of knowledge in the matter. For your illustration, results in the US at the State level and also at the National level, are not just influenced but wholly determined by the votes of a few in the minorities... precisely the natural niche target constituency of Pink, "the good guys coin". Not to mention the obvious: Women and Gay and Lesbian communities. Most decisively, the so far practically untapped Latino market which my plan contemplated to fully and decisively target, in their own language. Again, ignorance doesn't equal criticism, just arbitrary ramblings, sorry.

I really don't want to get worked out by ignorant posts, I want to remain above such. And it is taking quite a big effort on behalf of Pink and a community and leadership that I admire and respect as repeatedly evidenced, but I have to really point out the "seems a bit shady" gratuitous consideration. In which way exactly? From the get go, I have publicly stated that I a) will not touch a cent of donations personally and b) that part of the proposal would have needed to be carried out by the trusted members of the dev team, more specifically, Cayce. What is the "shady" part of it, specifically? It seems to me quite idiotic and outright offensive to me personally to post such stupidity and, if you don't mind, I demand a retraction from you. And an apology.

You continue on to praise other efforts, including "kudos" to people who "write articles"... No one, so far, has written any articles about Pinkcoin that I know of. Those guys posting stuff about Pinkcoin on their blog, are not writing any articles, they are publishing their pandering claims instead. You surely must know what is journalism or "article writing" and plain outright pandering pleas to obtain requested donations. It is about time to really think Pink, be nice and BE TRUTHFUL. The philosophy of Pink also implies  responsibilities toward truth and honesty, otherwise we risk "seeming a bit shady".

Thank you Cayce for your answer. A simple no would have sufficed and saved quite a bit of unnecessary budgeting and considerations but I indeed appreciate the time and effort you invested in your post.

Since, obviously, without the full, generous, dedicated and enthusiastic support of the dev team, it could not possibly be carried out, the proposal is, as of right now, withdrawn.

A few considerations though, I want to make perfectly clear for future reference:

1.- I don't accept donations. When I listed Pinkcoin as the first and so far only entry in my WALL OF HONOR, you generously offered and I repeatedly declined. I also stated clearly in the interest of full disclosure, that I was not invested at the time in Pinkcoin and that I planned to buy a modest stake in the future... which I eventually did.

2.- Consequently, I will never receive donations from the community. The proposal was contingent on you, specifically, being the individual in charge of those community donations and purchase of materials and other expenses, while I wouldn't have access to a single penny, other than payment for my services.

3.- As pointed out to you in the PMs, although the math was not the final definitive numbers, the approximation called for a significant investment by the community. The % could be more (likely) or less (unlikely) than the 16+% you calculate. The scope of the project is what it is and, under ANY and ALL measures, the price tag is minimal in fact, under ANY and ALL measures, I repeat. Once again, as stated in the PM, it was a decision which called to go for having less coins in your wallets, but potentially much more valuable, or remain stagnant and continue being a nice coin but one more in a very crowded environment.

4.- I believe that to achieve results people need -and deserve- to be paid. It's a labor philosophy -I am a Union man- that through my professional life I have found it works. While volunteerism is great, you cannot rightfully expect -much less demand- dedication from people if you don't pay them for their work. In this regard it is of interest to mention that the proposed 3 million pink to be paid to every organizer in every city amounts to 1.5 BTC, at current rate around $800, which I find beyond modest consideration for what would have been, among many other things, a job of several days implicating at minimum two other people, plus transports and expenses, and photography-videography expenses, plus actual contact to local media and local merchants. That on a city-by-city basis. Like I said, I believed it is an insignificant consideration -but enough to be able to demand compliance with directions AND results-. Obviously my "selling point" to them would have been their actual investment in pinkcoin which, as a result, would rise the price of that payment AND convert them and all their friends to our culture and promotion of Pinkcoin. All in all, getting for the minimal investment spades, literally, in return. Win-win and then win, situation.

5.- As the organizer of the Hollywood event, I would have been the recipient of those 3 million coins myself, on top of the requested 15 million. Again, 15 million, at current fiat rate, would amount to 7.5 BTC or, more or less, just over $4,000. That is not just minimum payment for the work planned that would require not only to guide and organize the strategy and logistics of the WORLD PINK DAY, weeks of it, but literally many hundreds of calls, meetings, reports and many other miscellaneous activities not only for the specific worldwide event but also for the future subsequent promotional activities of Pinkcoin. Specifically it would imply, also, the creation and maintenance of a real Facebook page, which we don't have except nominally, therefore alienating and not making any use of the biggest community in the world, an Instagram account, and a PINK Channel on YouTube. That besides, of course, collecting and promoting whatever (regular) media coverage was achieved -I expected a significant amount- to include in a promotional dossier that, in future endeavors -including WORLD PINK DAY 2015, would have granted us plenty of sponsorships. In the very short run, the event was designed not only to pay for itself in spades by outright influencing the price of the coin in the market but also, and more importantly, by achieving numerous specific sponsorships going from the PinkChannel (direct advertising) to the actual banners and subsequent events by both organizations and manufacturers, never mind the actual massive inflow of new adopters, both as users/investors and, most particularly, as merchants accepting payment in Pinkcoin in the top cities of the planet.

6.- Again in my experience, the whole modest budget was a minimal necessity for any progress to be achieved. You cannot approach, for instance, the worldwide marketing director of Avon Cosmetics with a half-assed, volunteer proposal of a not funded event anywhere. Well, actually you probably can but I guarantee you  you will never pass the assistant of his/her assistant level and obtain a polite "pass". It's the difference between serious and professional and amateurish and unreliable. Serious companies don't take chances. My proposal included to expected sponsorship of pretty big companies at the international and at the local levels.

In conclusion, I believed I presented a very, very modest budget for a huge worldwide event of enormous proportions and repercussions, both in the very short term and much more so with a farther future vision. I welcome the challenge by anyone, anyone at all, to try to pull it off  in whatever measure and by whatever means and, as an investor in Pinkcoin, would be glad to support such effort with enthusiasm myself. The proposal is effectively withdrawn, but the idea and even some guidance specifics, remain there for anyone who wants to carry it out. I definitely encourage everyone in this community to THINK BIG. THINK PINK.

A good idea, and proposal, is a terrible thing to waste.

Thank you and best always.

+1

It's nice to see people taking the initiative and doing something for the benefit of the Pink community. I believe, if you have a vested interest in PINK your good work will pay for itself by the value it bestows upon the coin in the marketplace. Not only that, it's been proven time and time again, if the PINK community likes what you've done they quite often show their appreciation in the form of tips.

Conversely when someone comes to this thread saying, "hurry, act now and I need to be paid for my efforts before I will do anything" and then goes on to make outrageous predictions of how people and media will react to their plan and even it's ability to influence politics in a way that will be a deciding factor on who sits on the throne for the next 4 years is just asinine and tbh seems a bit shady. To barabbas and any other people like this I'd like to say, if you believe in PINK then by all means put forth your ideas to the community, drop the delusions of grandeur and let the community and devs decide in their own time what's the best course of action. Having said all that, I actually like the ideas you, barabbas, have put forth. I just don't like the way you have been presenting them to the community in the form of ultimatums along with the predictions made regarding the reception they would receive by the masses.

Anyways, kudos to everyone who has stepped up and contributed towards the success of PINK whether it be in form of adding new features, writing articles, presenting new ideas or just showing their appreciation and giving support towards the people involved in making PINK the better choice.

I've just PM'd CountOfMonteCrypto to offer him some help with his promotion if he needs it.

HELL NO

Not only is this such an unreasonable thing to ASK of a community and not to GIVE, but this is coming from barabbas / IE's shill, a known scammer.

HELL NO

First of all I would like to come in here an apologize for my absence in this thread, I am traveling internationally working on behalf of PINK and have had limited cpu and wifi availability. However my attention has been called to this thread, I have read all of the responses, and I feel compelled to pause and take the time to address this thread, the community, and Barabbas specifically with regard to your proposal.

We appreciate you brainstorming ways to help PINK grow on a global scale in what you perceive to be its best direction. Furthermore we appreciate you taking the time to approach us directly in IRC with your thoughts and provide us with your feedback and then following up with an elaborate and well-constructed PM to me that contained a broad scoped aggregate sample of your ideas along with a rough estimate of what you've determined is an adequate budget to achieve these goals and an example of what you feel like would be an acceptable commensurate compensation for your ideas and general oversight.

I would like to state now for the record that I will not be directly involved accepting any donations from the community on behalf of Barrabas or worldwide THINK BIG, THINK PINK. Since this is not my idea, project, nor do I have any direct involvement with the project or control over its oversight or implementation I will not be liable or responsible for any potential mishandling or misappropriations of funds whether real or perceived. It's just not my style.


In the interest of transparency I will include the totality of our PMs for the community to see so that there is no perceived deception or misinterpretation of our interactions:


I have not had the time to respond to your PM due to me having so many questions and the lack of time and resources I've had while traveling internationally However since I've had time to reflect I feel I can effectively summarize my personal opinion and stance on your proposal and in the interest of transparency I will respond in this public forum:

You have come to us with this great, wide reaching, big picture idea that has equally great costs associated with it not only from a resource costs with what you've suggested ie shirts, cards, free coins, hired talent, etc but also from a compensation standpoint for your time, effort, energy to develop and oversee this idea. If I read this correctly you are essentially asking the Pinkcoin community, well first me and the other devs directly, for:
Barrabas Compensation
   1.  15,000,000 Pinkcoin or ~4.1% of the total coin supply of PINK
   2. $5,000 FIAT
   ** tho you have referenced in this thread ur desire for 50,000,000 PINK  or ~14% of the total coin supply

EVENT FEES:
   1. 60,000,000 PINK or ~16.5% of coin supply = 3,000,000 PINK per city event organizer *~20 cities
   2. 1,000,000 PINK or 0.365% of coin supply = 1000 PINK on 1000 transparent wallet USB cards
   3. $3,700 FIAT + shipping = 1000 USB Wallet Cards
   4. ~$10,000 + shipping= 1000 tshirts

In addition to other arbitrary and vague costs that may be associated.

Essentially you've asked for between 21-34% of the total supply of Pinkcoin PLUS an estimated $16,000-$20,000 in FIAT in community donations to achieve your goal while providing nothing more than vague imaginative statements about your work experience and projects you've worked on to justify such steep compensation while openly stating, very clearly and explicitly, that you will not do this without compensation, you need to be paid to participate.

As I've already mentioned to you in IRC and have reiterated in my posts and tweets: the culture of Pinkcoin is to lead by example and act in what you believe to be Pinkcoin's best interest and share what you've done with the community. Crypto0wl, jyap, and Boxxa are al prime examples of community members donating their time, energy, and effort for the greater good of Pinkcoin and the community. Crypto0wl got 2 real world merchants to accept Pinkcoin and got us those USB card wallets, jyap wrote an unbiased and honest audit of PINK source code and blockchain and released it to the people,  while Boxxa has created wallet.pink, promoted PINK in person at satoshi square, and most recently created a bad ass SMS sending capability function for PINK.
Additionally I have expressed to you that CountOfMonteCrypto has approached me privately and has purchased nearly our entire order of 100 USB wallets and is going to Dundas Square in Toronto with prefilled USB cards and PINK tshirts with a crew of his female friends and spread the Pinkcoin message of love, all funded entirely by him, and he's doing it in silence without asking for a single donation. That is a living embodiment of the Pinkcoin culture that we have created and will continue to encourage and support.

While I think your idea is great and has a lot of valid points and could benefit PINK on its path to widespread global adoption I don't think the approach is aligned with the Pinkcoin culture. If the community wants to support your effort in making this happen that is completely cool with me however I suggest if you would like to actually see it happen that you make a gesture of good faith to the community and take the first step or two of action yourself to encourage participation of other community members who will follow suit. I know that would inspire me to participate.

This is something that is being worked on for sure. We'll all have bio's up once we can all be bothered to write one for ourselves. *cough me cough*

 For what it's worth, with exactly one exception that I can think of, anyone that follows us on twitter or has read the dailypinkcoin can find our real names, and can probably figure out who is who without much difficulty. Like I said way back in the beginning - I'm not all that careful about hiding my own identity. As it turns out, that applies to the rest of the team.

Of course we all know exactly who we are as well, and there's a very good reason that Mr. Exception hasn't yet revealed his real name, but all will be revealed soon enough.

Look at this team we are assembling here very exciting time to be PINK. And just my two cents on members of community doing projects outside of develpments control. They should be done in good taste at members expense kind of like the example Owl and Boxxa are doing. Pay it forward and the community will recognize your efforts and as we have seen you will be rewarded.

*slow clap*

great post

+1 for this post, very well written.

Yet you have some of the best graphic design and presentation I have seen in crypto. It just needs to translate into a matched degree of utility.

Anon transactions aren't actually that desirable after all it would seem, so you need to broaden the appeal of your coin instead of narrowing it down to the type of people who seem to want Anon, if you get what I mean.

Your willingness to post bios and show the community who you are speaks volumes for the likely validity of the project. So, after earning the community's trust this way, you should be able to talk freely about the planned development schedule along with inviting ideas and suggestions that can be considered. They don't all have to work, most of them might not move the market much, but your openness will allow you the time and freedom to try new things until you find the 'killer feature' that captures the market's attention.

Put it this way, I'm certainly willing to risk losing a few BTC on a dev team that might or might not succeed, if I know that they did so openly and with every intention of trying to bring this coin out of the doldrums. I think you'll find more people will give you the chance to work unencumbered by suspicion if they see that you are genuine in your good intentions.

+1 Never really thought about it that way. All the more reason to get a mini bio of all of us there in the OP 

Well.. we kinda suck at marketing imho 

This is why we need the community members to partake in actively promoting it. The performance of the coin, I believe is a reflection of the general passiveness of the community. I've never used twitter before... hated it from the start, with its character limitations and followers and what not. But I realized I needed to move out of my comfort zone and literally opened an account just to tweet and retweet pinkcoin's news and announcements. Similarly, if more people get actively involved like that, I'm pretty sure a more apt reflection of the prices would be seen.

Valid point