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Nothing new, proof of burn has been described long ago.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_burn

This is not proof of burn:

The wiki you gave says:
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Proof of burn is a method for distributed consensus and an alternative to Proof of Work and Proof of Stake. It can also be used for bootstrapping one cryptocurrency off of another.

The idea is that miners should show proof that they burned some coins - that is, sent them to a verifiably unspendable address. This is expensive from their individual point of view, just like proof of work; but it consumes no resources other than the burned underlying asset. To date, all proof of burn cryptocurrencies work by burning proof-of-work-mined cryptocurrencies, so the ultimate source of scarcity remains the proof-of-work-mined "fuel".

There are likely many possible variants of proof of burn. This page currently describes Iain Stewart's version. Other people can add variant versions that still belong to the broad proof of burn idea.

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By "burning" a tranche of bitcoins I just mean sending them to an address which is unspendable. The precise technical details of this will vary from cryptocurrency to cryptocurrency. With Bitcoin, any address which is [the RIPEMD160/SHA256 hash of] a script that evaluates to false will do. So, the script should do a "deliberately silly" thing - instead of things like "check such-and-such signature, and put the validity result on the stack", it should do something like "add 2 and 2, and now check if what's on top of the stack is equal to 5". (Or just "push 4, and check if it's equal to 5". Anything of that sort.) There are thus an unbounded number of such scripts, with entropy saturating RIPEMD160 since you can choose big numbers to taste. So, bitcoins sent to such a txout can never be redeemed on a future txin. (Barring the cracking of RIPEMD160 and the finding of an alternative matching script, that is. If that happens, the cryptocurrency is in big trouble anyway!)

With this definition of burning, it's not obvious to blockchain-watchers that some bitcoins have been burnt, at the time of burning. They've been sent to an address which doesn't stand out from any other. It's only later, when a miner who burned them earlier now wants to exhibit proof that "yes, these coins are burnt", that blockchain-watchers get their proof. (Which basically consists of exhibiting the script that manifestly always evaluates to false, and hashes to the address.) If it's thought desirable that the act of burning should be obvious right away, rather than later, then this can be achieved: burning merely needs to be defined as sending to some fixed unspendable address, with no variation - e.g. we could settle on the hash of "push 4, and check if it's equal to 5".

So, miners are creating candidate winning blocks by saying to the listening world, not "Look! I've done this many trillion hashes! [or struck lucky with fewer: you, the listening world, wouldn't know the difference... but this doesn't matter...]", but rather "Look! Two months ago I burned this many bitcoins!". In both cases, "this many" means an adjustable difficulty parameter, which the network adjusts from time to time (fortnightly, in today's Bitcoin) to squeeze out marginal miners (and keep more-efficient-than-marginal ones in profit) to just the extent needed to regulate block creation to a preferred pace (one per 10 minutes, in today's Bitcoin).


What I am doing is transferring the monetary value from one blockchain to the other:

An altcoin blockchain that creates money based on the destruction of money on another blockchain.

I am also adding additional features to the coin while limiting the number of coins that can be produced [Low Capping]; thereby creating a ICO that if implemented correctly, should entice users to burn their coins [hostile takeover].

I can add features that Bitcoin does not have like complete untracability during the conversion process.  An inspector might find that the coins were sent to an alternative blockchain but that would be all he would find.  He could inspect no further.
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Will the information you sell be enough for a novice (like me) to earn something on this "flaw" or "exploit" or whatever you call it?

If you are so sure about this, why not keep it quiet and exploit it yourself (with or without a team)?





I get the feeling that you are really onto something, and that a lot of money (coins) could be gained... but it would take a lot of knowledge and perhaps a team.
I have money to spend/invest, but I'm sure your info wouldn't give me something in return.

I agree he has to prove it first,it's just a theory and he is selling that for 50 Bitcoin,anyone who knows coding a crypto currency can come out a theory,but that doesn't mean that it's effective and can be done 100% he has to prove it himself.
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Nothing new, proof of burn has been described long ago.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_burn
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Will the information you sell be enough for a novice (like me) to earn something on this "flaw" or "exploit" or whatever you call it?

If you are so sure about this, why not keep it quiet and exploit it yourself (with or without a team)?





I get the feeling that you are really onto something, and that a lot of money (coins) could be gained... but it would take a lot of knowledge and perhaps a team.
I have money to spend/invest, but I'm sure your info wouldn't give me something in return.
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The long term threat to Bitcoin [or whatever coin is targeted] would be if multiple altcoin ICOs were attacking bitcoin consecutively.

There are over 800 "shitcoins" on the market right now.  What would happen if there were 800 "altcoin ICOs" attacking bitcoin?:

Each altcoin ICO could attempt a "hostile takeover" of Bitcoin.  Just think about it:

If each ICO just got a small percentage of the bitcoin it would erode the bitcoin ecosystem because most if not all of the coins would be destroyed.

The remaining coins would be highly valuable because of limited supply; however, bitcoin would have to compete against it's former coins that used to be in it own blockchain.


 
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Hmmm i am sorry but i really do not understand anything from what you saying . But i can a sure you one thing fall of BTC will bring the whole crypto world to ground that is a fact . tell me any store / vendor that will accept any crypto currencies after they lose that kinda of lost with BTC  . they will lose faith in the whole crypto world all together . so the coin you gonna make the new coin that will bring BTC to its knee will prob be useless too Smiley .

Not quite.

Remember If it is done right there would be a cap.  

Only a portion of the coins would be generated.  

If the percentage is small enough people who have a good reason to convert their coins would do so.

People who are highly motivated to convert their bitcoins would find these coins extremely valuable - especially if the new coins are untraceable.

Here's why:

With a cap on the new coins and a limited supply an ICO would be the only window of opportunity they would have to get rid of their coins.

An ICO if done right, should generate coins that are more valuable than bitcoin or whatever coin is targeted.  

Then if you add in new and additional features the converted coins become even more valuable.
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Conversion fees can be added to support transaction nodes.

OK I am giving out too much information now.

So how much BTC is this worth to you?

PM me

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Hmmm i am sorry but i really do not understand anything from what you saying . But i can a sure you one thing fall of BTC will bring the whole crypto world to ground that is a fact . tell me any store / vendor that will accept any crypto currencies after they lose that kinda of lost with BTC  . they will lose faith in the whole crypto world all together . so the coin you gonna make the new coin that will bring BTC to its knee will prob be useless too Smiley .

Not quite.

Remember If it is done right there would be a cap.  

Only a portion of the coins would be generated.  

If the percentage is small enough people who have a good reason to convert their coins would do so.

People who are highly motivated to convert their bitcoins would find these coins extremely valuable - especially if the new coins are untraceable.

Here's why:

With a cap on the new coins and a limited supply an ICO would be the only window of opportunity they would have to get rid of their coins.

An ICO if done right, should generate coins that are more valuable than bitcoin or whatever coin is targeted.  
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Hmmm i am sorry but i really do not understand anything from what you saying . But i can a sure you one thing fall of BTC will bring the whole crypto world to ground that is a fact . tell me any store / vendor that will accept any crypto currencies after they lose that kinda of lost with BTC  . they will lose faith in the whole crypto world all together . so the coin you gonna make the new coin that will bring BTC to its knee will prob be useless too Smiley .
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people are asking me for this info.

If I cant find a buyer I may just sell this info to whomever send me crypto.

How much do you think people would be willing to pay for it?

1.5 BTC or best offer for a copy?

how much are you willing to pay?
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Finally I am starting to get PM's for this
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I wish I could help out, but I lack the knowledge.
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If bitcoin users converted their coins the value should start at or close to the same price - just as long as there are no other coins generated by any other method.

If hackers stole bitcoins and converted the coins the price might actually jump.

Not that I am condoning stealing.

I would make this coin myself if I had a team to work with.  I would but I am not a developer.  

I would like to put a team together.  Anyone want to work with me on this?

PM me.
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If bitcoin users converted their coins the value should start at or close to the same price - just as long as there are no other coins generated by any other method.

If hackers stole bitcoins and converted the coins the price might actually jump.

Not that I am condoning stealing.
legendary
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so its like we created one coins that will accepted all coins including bitcoin? the coins will receive whatever coins, but my question is how this coins will be survive if all coins has receive in that new coins? because that new coins will be like one big place that can collect all coins that have wrong destination wallet. and beside that, this coins have another function to search all coins that have been destroyed. its sounds really interesting and i think it could be happen and i think if this new coins can do receive all crypto currency and then can convert it into each of coins with no problem, then this coins is really superior because its not depend with one source blockchain. am i right?

There is a specific way to do this.  If it is done right the coin WILL dominate whatever coin is targeted.

Without going into too much detail, the coin would not accept all coins just a percentage of the targeted coin.  You would have to put a cap on the number of coin generated - this in effect would create a type of ICO - if hyped and pumped right a sizable chunk of the targeted coin could be lost in minutes.  

but the coins will need other coins to supply this coins and it makes this new coins unlimited and without having mining process because this coins doesn't need that. and if this coins is getting the big pump, i can not imagine what will happen. but i wonder, how much the price will be? will it defeat bitcoin price?

I cant give out too much details until the sale is expired.  But there are all kinds of things that can be done with this.

If I can't find a buyer then I will post on here how to make an altcoin that WILL dominate and takeover whatever coin is targeted and how to make transfers and conversions completely untraceable - just so long as my instructions are completely followed to the letter.

I will definitely going to support this kind of coin,but I also recommend that you do not post the whole information and just create this coin  this could become a big hit in the market,who knows it might surpass all the other altcoin's price and you can gain 100 times of the price you are selling this information.
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If bitcoin users converted their coins the value should start at or close to the same price - just as long as there are no other coins generated by any other method.

If hackers stole bitcoins and converted the coins the price might actually jump.
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so its like we created one coins that will accepted all coins including bitcoin? the coins will receive whatever coins, but my question is how this coins will be survive if all coins has receive in that new coins? because that new coins will be like one big place that can collect all coins that have wrong destination wallet. and beside that, this coins have another function to search all coins that have been destroyed. its sounds really interesting and i think it could be happen and i think if this new coins can do receive all crypto currency and then can convert it into each of coins with no problem, then this coins is really superior because its not depend with one source blockchain. am i right?

There is a specific way to do this.  If it is done right the coin WILL dominate whatever coin is targeted.

Without going into too much detail, the coin would not accept all coins just a percentage of the targeted coin.  You would have to put a cap on the number of coin generated - this in effect would create a type of ICO - if hyped and pumped right a sizable chunk of the targeted coin could be lost in minutes.  

but the coins will need other coins to supply this coins and it makes this new coins unlimited and without having mining process because this coins doesn't need that. and if this coins is getting the big pump, i can not imagine what will happen. but i wonder, how much the price will be? will it defeat bitcoin price?

I cant give out too much details until the sale is expired.  But there are all kinds of things that can be done with this.

If I can't find a buyer then I will post on here how to make an altcoin that WILL dominate and takeover whatever coin is targeted and how to make transfers and conversions completely untraceable - just so long as my instructions are completely followed to the letter.
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so its like we created one coins that will accepted all coins including bitcoin? the coins will receive whatever coins, but my question is how this coins will be survive if all coins has receive in that new coins? because that new coins will be like one big place that can collect all coins that have wrong destination wallet. and beside that, this coins have another function to search all coins that have been destroyed. its sounds really interesting and i think it could be happen and i think if this new coins can do receive all crypto currency and then can convert it into each of coins with no problem, then this coins is really superior because its not depend with one source blockchain. am i right?

There is a specific way to do this.  If it is done right the coin WILL dominate whatever coin is targeted.

Without going into too much detail, the coin would not accept all coins just a percentage of the targeted coin.  You would have to put a cap on the number of coin generated - this in effect would create a type of ICO - if hyped and pumped right a sizable chunk of the targeted coin could be lost in minutes.  

but the coins will need other coins to supply this coins and it makes this new coins unlimited and without having mining process because this coins doesn't need that. and if this coins is getting the big pump, i can not imagine what will happen. but i wonder, how much the price will be? will it defeat bitcoin price?
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Activity: 252
Merit: 105
ALTCOIN KING
so its like we created one coins that will accepted all coins including bitcoin? the coins will receive whatever coins, but my question is how this coins will be survive if all coins has receive in that new coins? because that new coins will be like one big place that can collect all coins that have wrong destination wallet. and beside that, this coins have another function to search all coins that have been destroyed. its sounds really interesting and i think it could be happen and i think if this new coins can do receive all crypto currency and then can convert it into each of coins with no problem, then this coins is really superior because its not depend with one source blockchain. am i right?

There is a specific way to do this.  If it is done right the coin WILL dominate whatever coin is targeted.

Without going into too much detail, the coin would not accept all other coins just a percentage of the targeted coin.  You would have to put a cap on the number of coins generated - this in effect would create a type of ICO - if hyped and pumped right a sizable chunk of the targeted coin could be lost in minutes.  
newbie
Activity: 280
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so its like we created one coins that will accepted all coins including bitcoin? the coins will receive whatever coins, but my question is how this coins will be survive if all coins has receive in that new coins? because that new coins will be like one big place that can collect all coins that have wrong destination wallet. and beside that, this coins have another function to search all coins that have been destroyed. its sounds really interesting and i think it could be happen and i think if this new coins can do receive all crypto currency and then can convert it into each of coins with no problem, then this coins is really superior because its not depend with one source blockchain. am i right?
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