Topic: [ANN] Spells of Genesis - Innovating the Game Economy with BitCrystals (BCY) - page 196. (Read 676667 times)

Quote from: Febo on March 23, 2016, 05:14:55 PM

Thing is you dont need 49 cards. you can have only 4 cards in hand at one time. yes you probably will need few sets, but for sure no one will need 49 cards to be able to play well.

This doesn't matter if you expect this game to get popular and for millions of people to download it and play the barrier to entry is much too high. And someone looking from the outside will most likely associate this with a scam when the average price for 1Card is $130 USD based on the prices mentioned earlier. So a deck of 4 avg. priced cards would set you back a mere $500. I am a huge gammer and stream on twitch daily. I don't know anyone who pays $500 for in game items or let alone for the entire game. If the price of the "unique" cards were cheaper then it would be much more inviting to join.

Ok so as I was typing this message I had an idea which may or may not work. If the unique cards could be "split" meaning the owner of a card would get 2 and could sell 1 based on the number of active players in the game or something like that. This would allow early adopters to sell cards for a small profit and grow the ecosystem. This way a "unique" card could cost say $5 but the "uniqueness" will be determined by the number of active users or something of the sort. Obviously this need more thought but I think lower priced cards while remaining some sense or uniqueness or rarity would allow the game and ecosystem to grow beyond the crypto community.

There cant be split. if there were 1000 cards issued, you cant get 1001th card.

I think a way around will be that new cards will have lower value ( i think it is already happening with last issued cards), and since will be same strength as old ones, but few times cheaper, people will just ignore old to expensive cards. they will of course ignore buying them from spellsofgenesis swapbot, not from people that already bought and will need to put them on sale at lover price if wanted to get rid off.

you can certainly make gaming rules that make a percent of a satoshi card playable. You own a whole satoshi card, but lets say you only needed .01 satoshi card to play it.... now you can sell your playable percentage and have basically 100 collectible assets instead of one.

I think that also needs to be decided before cards are issued. actually satoshi card is a divisible asset, so you can move only a part from your counterparty vallet. Most other cards you can move only as whole.
You can learn more if you go check about counterparty asset.

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Thing is you dont need 49 cards. you can have only 4 cards in hand at one time. yes you probably will need few sets, but for sure no one will need 49 cards to be able to play well.

This doesn't matter if you expect this game to get popular and for millions of people to download it and play the barrier to entry is much too high. And someone looking from the outside will most likely associate this with a scam when the average price for 1Card is $130 USD based on the prices mentioned earlier. So a deck of 4 avg. priced cards would set you back a mere $500. I am a huge gammer and stream on twitch daily. I don't know anyone who pays $500 for in game items or let alone for the entire game. If the price of the "unique" cards were cheaper then it would be much more inviting to join.

Ok so as I was typing this message I had an idea which may or may not work. If the unique cards could be "split" meaning the owner of a card would get 2 and could sell 1 based on the number of active players in the game or something like that. This would allow early adopters to sell cards for a small profit and grow the ecosystem. This way a "unique" card could cost say $5 but the "uniqueness" will be determined by the number of active users or something of the sort. Obviously this need more thought but I think lower priced cards while remaining some sense or uniqueness or rarity would allow the game and ecosystem to grow beyond the crypto community.

There cant be split. if there were 1000 cards issued, you cant get 1001th card.

I think a way around will be that new cards will have lower value ( i think it is already happening with last issued cards), and since will be same strength as old ones, but few times cheaper, people will just ignore old to expensive cards. they will of course ignore buying them from spellsofgenesis swapbot, not from people that already bought and will need to put them on sale at lover price if wanted to get rid off.

you can certainly make gaming rules that make a percent of a satoshi card playable. You own a whole satoshi card, but lets say you only needed .01 satoshi card to play it.... now you can sell your playable percentage and have basically 100 collectible assets instead of one.

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Thing is you dont need 49 cards. you can have only 4 cards in hand at one time. yes you probably will need few sets, but for sure no one will need 49 cards to be able to play well.

This doesn't matter if you expect this game to get popular and for millions of people to download it and play the barrier to entry is much too high. And someone looking from the outside will most likely associate this with a scam when the average price for 1Card is $130 USD based on the prices mentioned earlier. So a deck of 4 avg. priced cards would set you back a mere $500. I am a huge gammer and stream on twitch daily. I don't know anyone who pays $500 for in game items or let alone for the entire game. If the price of the "unique" cards were cheaper then it would be much more inviting to join.

Ok so as I was typing this message I had an idea which may or may not work. If the unique cards could be "split" meaning the owner of a card would get 2 and could sell 1 based on the number of active players in the game or something like that. This would allow early adopters to sell cards for a small profit and grow the ecosystem. This way a "unique" card could cost say $5 but the "uniqueness" will be determined by the number of active users or something of the sort. Obviously this need more thought but I think lower priced cards while remaining some sense or uniqueness or rarity would allow the game and ecosystem to grow beyond the crypto community.

You do realize these cards being released right now are collectible cards with a limited number , for people who in the future might wish to collected sets or specific cards.

When the game is released you will be able to buy cheap card packs with multiple cards inside them. There will be thousands upon thousands of very cheap cards for sale, You have tried to give a solution to a problem that doesn;t and will not exist, on every single sale page "As these cards are collector items, it's expected that they will acquire more value in the future."

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Thing is you dont need 49 cards. you can have only 4 cards in hand at one time. yes you probably will need few sets, but for sure no one will need 49 cards to be able to play well.

This doesn't matter if you expect this game to get popular and for millions of people to download it and play the barrier to entry is much too high. And someone looking from the outside will most likely associate this with a scam when the average price for 1Card is $130 USD based on the prices mentioned earlier. So a deck of 4 avg. priced cards would set you back a mere $500. I am a huge gammer and stream on twitch daily. I don't know anyone who pays $500 for in game items or let alone for the entire game. If the price of the "unique" cards were cheaper then it would be much more inviting to join.

Ok so as I was typing this message I had an idea which may or may not work. If the unique cards could be "split" meaning the owner of a card would get 2 and could sell 1 based on the number of active players in the game or something like that. This would allow early adopters to sell cards for a small profit and grow the ecosystem. This way a "unique" card could cost say $5 but the "uniqueness" will be determined by the number of active users or something of the sort. Obviously this need more thought but I think lower priced cards while remaining some sense or uniqueness or rarity would allow the game and ecosystem to grow beyond the crypto community.

There cant be split. if there were 1000 cards issued, you cant get 1001th card.

I think a way around will be that new cards will have lower value ( i think it is already happening with last issued cards), and since will be same strength as old ones, but few times cheaper, people will just ignore old to expensive cards. they will of course ignore buying them from spellsofgenesis swapbot, not from people that already bought and will need to put them on sale at lover price if wanted to get rid off.

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Quote from: TimBit on March 22, 2016, 11:52:33 PM

Thing is you dont need 49 cards. you can have only 4 cards in hand at one time. yes you probably will need few sets, but for sure no one will need 49 cards to be able to play well.

This doesn't matter if you expect this game to get popular and for millions of people to download it and play the barrier to entry is much too high. And someone looking from the outside will most likely associate this with a scam when the average price for 1Card is $130 USD based on the prices mentioned earlier. So a deck of 4 avg. priced cards would set you back a mere $500. I am a huge gammer and stream on twitch daily. I don't know anyone who pays $500 for in game items or let alone for the entire game. If the price of the "unique" cards were cheaper then it would be much more inviting to join.

Ok so as I was typing this message I had an idea which may or may not work. If the unique cards could be "split" meaning the owner of a card would get 2 and could sell 1 based on the number of active players in the game or something like that. This would allow early adopters to sell cards for a small profit and grow the ecosystem. This way a "unique" card could cost say $5 but the "uniqueness" will be determined by the number of active users or something of the sort. Obviously this need more thought but I think lower priced cards while remaining some sense or uniqueness or rarity would allow the game and ecosystem to grow beyond the crypto community.

Febo

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So I've been playing the beta game and its really cool. It's quite fun and I can see how it would be even better on a mobile device. GREAT JOB!!!

I looked into getting some bitcrystals and they are around 20 thousand Satoshis at todays price if I am correct. https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bcy

Here's the problem:

Quote from: flayway on March 22, 2016, 11:06:41 PM

1x Full deck with all 49 cards. Price 85 000 BCY.

When someone start selling decks of virtual cards in a game that is still in the beta phase for $6400 USD equivalent... This is just insanity.

I don't care if the cards are "out of stock", they allow me to shoot little balls of light in a video game, not worth the price of all included family vacation!!!

With that being said, best of luck with the development of the game and I guess I hope when it's finally released I'll generate and fuze cards some moron will pay thousands of dollars for.

Thing is you dont need 49 cards. you can have only 4 cards in hand at one time. yes you probably will need few sets, but for sure no one will need 49 cards to be able to play well.

Now that bcy worth 19.000sat (7,8 cent. $) i think that we have some problem with many old card price.

For example
https://swapbot.tokenly.com/bot/spellsofgenesis/bearwhalecd#choose

Bearwhale Card: 1200bcy is 93.6$

This price is Insane expecialy for a 3000 pcs. issued card.

At this price tag I think that it is almost impossible to sell any other card.

I have to proposal to fix this:

1) cut the price

or

2) Burn some Bearwhale Card not alreadybsold so the curent price will be more in line with the card rarity.

The second solution probably is the best. A win win.
Win for who own the card
Win for EDS, probably a deflated card is more attractive for customers.

For example, actually :
https://counterpartychain.io/asset/BEARWHALECD

2830 Bearwhale cd are still in EDS stock,

2830x1200Bcy is 3.396.000bcy, that is: 264.888$ @19.000satxbcy and @416$xbtc

Are we kidding?

At 1200bcy price tag, probably the MAX reasonable number of card in circulation is 500pcs , so 2500 berawhalecd sholud be burned

This is a big problem that was statued few months ago in this thread.
And BearWhale card is a perfect sample of it. As i remember BearWhale card come to swapbots right at time when crowdsale ended and everyone was full of BitCrystals. And price raised sky high by numbers of cards sold. So many including me bought few of them at expensive price. Later that was changed. I guess i can call buing few of those as a bad investment. BearWhale emission should be reduced to 1200 cards as the others are.
Other problem of cards i see, that strength of card is not perfectly correlated with its rareness and price.
Lets take a look at Aji-Jaspaar , there are 1000 cards, stats are not that bad 18\3\3 price is already at 1000 Bitcrsytals ($70), but card is only a common one.
I did not played Monga so have no experience, but please be carefull if people will pay $70+ for a common card.

How will be dealt with high price of cards I really dont know.

1) cut the price

in not an option without scamming those that bought them at higher price in past. Altho it was clearly stated that price will be only higher.

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Now that bcy worth 19.000sat (7,8 cent. $) i think that we have some problem with many old card price.

For example
https://swapbot.tokenly.com/bot/spellsofgenesis/bearwhalecd#choose

Bearwhale Card: 1200bcy is 93.6$

This price is Insane expecialy for a 3000 pcs. issued card.

At this price tag I think that it is almost impossible to sell any other card.

I have to proposal to fix this:

1) cut the price

or

2) Burn some Bearwhale Card not alreadybsold so the curent price will be more in line with the card rarity.

The second solution probably is the best. A win win.
Win for who own the card
Win for EDS, probably a deflated card is more attractive for customers.

For example, actually :
https://counterpartychain.io/asset/BEARWHALECD

2830 Bearwhale cd are still in EDS stock,

2830x1200Bcy is 3.396.000bcy, that is: 264.888$ @19.000satxbcy and @416$xbtc

Are we kidding?

At 1200bcy price tag, probably the MAX reasonable number of card in circulation is 500pcs , so 2500 berawhalecd sholud be burned

Supply and demand on the open market will take care of this, no need to burn any cards. There are already resale offers for Bearwhalecd on swapbot for 1000 BCY and on the DEX starting from 910 BCY (equivalent in XCP). If noone buys at that price, I am sure price will naturally adjust to whatever people are willing to pay. Same goes for the other cards that were the first to be issued when 1 BCY was worth a lot less than it is now. BCY price relative to other cryptos and USD or EUR can fluctuate up or down. Burning cards is a way too drastic and unnecessary response; IMHO.

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