Topic: [ANN] $SPRTS - Download New Sprouts Wallet Release 2.2.2 - Join us on Cryptopia - page 36. (Read 75052 times)

Are you joking, I am not, he who names the conflict owns it, the argument is all yours, fact, unless you didn't write the nonsense quoted above.  

Oogone,

On a personal note, I have to say, I'm surprised to hear you've never been accused of causing trouble previously.

trouble
ˈtrʌb(ə)l/
noun
    1.
    difficulty or problems.
    2.
    public unrest or disorder.

verb
    1.
    cause distress or anxiety to.

Based on the definition of the word, you have indeed caused trouble both inside and out, of the https://Sprouts.Community forum.

Casting aspersions, the definition of which, is: 'an attack on the reputation or integrity of someone or something.' is what you've continued to do and in casting such aspersions, you have caused difficulty, problems, public unrest, disorder and distress to members of the team and community.

Oogone: "If you mention my name in your posts, I have to answer, should I not?"

Absolutely, you should defend yourself if someone casts aspersions or baseless accusations in your direction. The issue here from our perspective is that so far, we have spoken the truth and fact about you (and updated any speculation where new information has come to light), while you continue to cast aspersions and make baseless accusations towards us and our intentions.

This is unfortunate as we have better things to do than have to continue to defend ourselves against the aspersions and accusations you keep casting our way.

We'd much prefer it if you'd accept our previous offer of a degree of professional courtesy, which consisted of:

"If someone asks you about Sprouts+, the swap or anything else to do with us, we'd appreciate it if you'd simply redirect them politely to https://sprouts.community so that they have access to what we've actually said and written and what we're actually planning to do and how we will go about it.

In return, we will extend the same courtesy to anyone looking for information about you and your team."

The Sprouts & Sprouts+ Development Team

Dollux,

Really? Your argument is "Isn't this just an attempt at centralization" and "especially when a forum already exists and it is simply duplication".

So... you're suggesting that all should 'join up' and use bitcointalk and nothing else?

To put it another way, you're suggesting all crypto currencies should centralise their forums onto bitcointalk? Be dependent on a centralised system controlled by someone else?

We have our own dedicated forum for a number of reasons, and some of those are:

• It's more professional
• It's easier to follow threads
• It allows us to manage and maintain the system ourselves
• It allows greater flexibility by providing categories, topics, etc, specific to our needs and brand
• We're not beholden to some other organisation, i.e. we're decentralised

I was re-reading the Ann, and just saw your post ...

A (proven and capable) Developer was contacted , and he would be willing to do the neccessary changes to the wallet.

staking 8% annualy and all coins divided by 1k or 10k

This would require that >51% of the wallets have upgraded with this new wallet before the Fork occurs, less than that number and the Fork fails.
The current exchanges would also have to agree (coinexchange / Novaexchange) , or Sprouts would become untradeable .

Besides of that, this could be done.  Only needs backing from some whales.

/waiting

A definition of secret: "kept from the knowledge of any but the initiated or privileged:"
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/secret?s=t
so no misleading by me there, I consider it to be subscription baiting.
"Anyone can join." To become initiated or privileged.

Link spam, the posts above the one quoted and now many more
already have a link. Link saturation, aren't you simply link spamming,
all of it orchestrated just so you can spread more links and make
more noise.

Aren't my words no more misleading than: "Anyone can join."
Isn't this just an attempt at centralization, anyone can join,
joining something is a mark of support, affiliation, centralization and
not exactly open when you have to join, especially when a forum
already exists and it is simply duplication.

There is nothing winning my confidence so far.

I have been on this forum for quite a while, and has never been accused of trying to cause trouble ...it is not in my nature to do so.

If you mention my name in your posts, I have to answer, should I not?

The fact is you are taking 40% premine from the community and expect to be payed a salary by the community from that premine? You even want to sell your businesses. Who sells a successful business to support a half dead crypto, if you are not going to be compensated?

As long as the community do the coin swap (the community generate your 40%) you will take 40% (which belongs to the community). With this you expect the community to have no say in the 40%(which the community generated).

 

Oogone, has already been explained many times about the 40%, but you and some others who have not agreed insist on creating controversial comments, and thus confusing the people here in the Bitcointalk.

You know how to disagree, you do not need to be accusing team Dev of fraud, because they are not, please conduct this situation with education, because these fights and accusations do not help to sprouts.[/size][/size][/color][/b][/size][/size][/size][/color]

Oogone,

You continue to misrepresent us, continue to post things you claim we've said which we have not and continue to cast aspersions.

The swap will take place within three months from the release of the document outlining same, not within the next six weeks. Leaving plenty of time to stake.

Referring here to your comment, "You also conveniently forgot to mention that the 1,333,333.33 Sprouts+ still have to deduct your 40% which leaves 533 333,33 Sprouts+[/b][/size]"

No. False. Inaccurate.

We have not conveniently forgotten to mention anything. There is no deduction of an individual's Sprouts+ holdings. The person would indeed have 1,333,333.33 Sprouts+. If you had bothered to read properly what was written about the subject, you'd know that. But instead, you're doing what you do best... Sprouting baseless accusations, untruths and casting aspersions. Before you talk on a subject, you really need to get your facts straight! Unless of course, your intention is just to cause trouble...

Rather than continue to have to set the record straight each time you've posted something to do with us, we would appreciate it if you'd stop mentioning us.

Let's call it professional courtesy...

If someone asks you about Sprouts+, the swap or anything else to do with us, we'd appreciate it if you'd simply redirect them politely to https://sprouts.community so that they have access to what we've actually said and written and what we're actually planning to do and how we will go about it.

In return, we will extend the same courtesy to anyone looking for information about you and your team.

The Sprouts & Sprouts+ Development Team

You should also mention the 40% that is not to be discussed.

In Crypto Country public view is BTCTalk forum


"As we're getting philosophical, I feel of greater concern though, is corruption and a self serving nature."

I wonder who is expecting a salary from the Sprouts community?

Same thing - only you forgot to project to when this swap will happen - did you not mention only in six weeks time?
That will make 1:4000 (or even 1:5000) more realistic than your 1:3000 (which can only be if the swap happens during the next week or so)

You also conveniently forgot to mention that the 1,333,333.33 Sprouts+ still have to deduct your 40% which leaves 533 333,33 Sprouts+

And how would this look to someone who holds 100 000 000 or less?

Wrap your head around this: The 40% which you take from the community is the problem!

edit: If you want Sprouts to pay your salaries, you should create an application or market to generate profits, and from those profits you can further develop and get your salaries payed.
You must first give, to receive.

@Dollux,

Love the quote by Lord Action. It rings true a lot of the time.

As we're getting philosophical, I feel of greater concern though, is corruption and a self serving nature.

Regarding your comments about the secretive, locked forums: they're a little misleading aren't they, as the forum https://Sprouts.Community is open to the public. Anyone can join.

To clear up once again some false inaccuracies sprouted by Oogone:


Oogone: "We have group Sprouts+ who want to do a swap to make Sprouts+"

True.

As discussed we have called our new currency Sprouts+. A new currency is unavoidable. Even Oogone and his dev team will need to create a new currency, forked (presumably) from the existing Sprouts code-base.

Oogone: "The proposal is to swap your holding in Sprouts with a reduction of 1:4000 and then on top of that hand over another 40% to the DEV team."

False. Inaccurate.

Part 1:
The ratio voted on by the community was for a 1:1000 ratio. The exact ratio (within the 1:1000) will not be known until the swap occurs as it's dependent on the total supply at the time.

Part 2:
As discussed at length now, in order to protect the new currency, as is done regularly by many new currencies, we have opted to hold in escrow, 16% to assist in avoiding mass dumps, volatility and other vectors of attack. We have also run calculations and come to the conclusion that a 24% capital account is needed in order to fund the new organisation across a minimum of three years.

Oogone: "To ease the pain it is explained that only 24% will be handed over to the DEV team for development and salaries, and 16% will be held by the DEV team to secure the network."

False. Inaccurate.

It was explained that to ease the pain, if you continue to stake between now and the coin swap, you'd likely end up making more than 40% new holdings before the swap takes place, thus, nullifying the additional 40% we're adding to the circulation.

I.e. That you'd end up ahead, rather than behind. Meaning: as long as you keep staking, you will not lose 40%, you will gain, more than 40%!

Oogone: "This means if you have 100 000 SPRTS now, you end up wih 15 Sprouts+"

False. Inaccurate.

As mentioned above, the exact ratio within the 1:1000 will be unknown until the swap.

The calculation is as follows: Total supply divided by 300 Million (allotment for swap) = ratio

Your holding divided by ratio = Sprouts+ holdings

Let's say though, for example, that the total supply at the time is 900 Billion coins and you hold 4 Billion coins:

(900 B divided by 300 M = ratio of: 3,000) (your holding: 4 B divided by 3,000 = 1,333,333.33 Sprouts+)

Oogone: "The 40% can not be put to a vote, because as stated it is a "fact" and community input will not be considered regarding this."

True.

In order to:

a) protect the new currency from various vectors attack and;

b) to have enough capital to actually run the organisation globally and to gain real value, we calculated we would need 24% capital (based on existing market cap and projections) spread across at least three years, and within this 24% we have included everything from eight people quitting our current day jobs and a few closing down our businesses to leasing office space, hiring employees, signing multi-year contracts with third parties, insurance and indemnity, sales and marketing campaigns, a buffer should things go wrong, and the list goes on.

Three of our team own and operate companies and businesses currently and have done so for a number of years. We have based the 24% on our combined knowledge of operating such entities and so we feel confident the figures we have come up with, are indeed a good representation of what will be required.

Also as discussed at https://Sprouts.Community , if the 16% reserve is no longer required after two or more years, we would discuss with the community how best to distribute it down the track.

The Sprouts & Sprouts+ Development Team

I got something to say but Lord Acton said it better, Yhey.

Correct.

so I must have the open wallet and the pc switched on, right?

If you have not encrypted your wallet, you just open it and staking will start automatically. This will increase your Sprouts.

If you have encrypted your wallet (password protect), you need to go to "Settings" and then "Unlock Wallet for Minting Only" and insert your password to unlock your wallet.

Staking time will depend on the amount of Sprouts you are holding in your wallet.

We have group Sprouts+ who want to do a swap to make Sprouts+

The proposal is to swap your holding in Sprouts with a reduction of 1:4000 and then on top of that hand over another 40% to the DEV team.

To ease the pain it is explained that only 24% will be handed over to the DEV team for development and salaries, and 16% will be held by the DEV team to secure the network.

This means if you have 100 000 SPRTS now, you end up wih 15 Sprouts+

The 40% can not be put to a vote, because as stated it is a "fact" and community input will not be considered regarding this.



The other group was only formed yesterday and today, is against the 40% going towards the DEV team and want the community to decide how things should develop.
The way it is done in crypto communities.

We aim to improve Sprouts by reducing the reward system and addressing the high circulating supply by any means possible.

As stated earlier in this thread, we are in discussions with a new DEV to explore all possibilities.
 
It took the Sprouts+ team since Apr/May to get where we are now, we are only busy for a day and we are fully aware of the pressure to get things done and also offer a quality solution.

Community input is welcome.

Please bare with us, we will keep the community updated.

Thank you one more time!

Can you explain me also how i can increase my sprouts with the wallet?

So what is happening? We have two groups of DEV of Sprouts now...one wants to swap and make Sprouts+ and another to improve. Is that right?