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Topic: [ANN] TRESTOR - The Most Efficient Money, Payment And Market System In The World (Read 3972 times)

legendary
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Nice promo work there Trestor team. Can I assume those 2000 Euros worth of Trests aren't going to Greeks now?
lol if you send me the 650euros, I will consider Greece has paid what it owes me personally through their numerous loan.
thanks a lot in advance
legendary
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Trestor Foundation isn't found in either the Canadian or Indian business registry. What a joke.


No need to disclose salaries or expenses that way. At least the Ethereum Foundation disclosed that...not that I think they have been wise with their use of the proceeds raised.
legendary
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No surrender, no retreat, no regret.
Trestor Foundation isn't found in either the Canadian or Indian business registry. What a joke.
stv
newbie
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Read the white paper, have a few questions. Would greatly appreciate if the team could clarify.

Section 2) Tnet) please further explain the need and role of Forwarding nodes.
                        Can wallet nodes directly communicate with Validator nodes?

Forwarding nodes help to balance the load. If you want to have a client that does not have a full ledger on its own, like a phone app, you need a service to consult for account information. This is equivalent to services like Blockchain.info in the Bitcoin world. We think that a full client is not the right solution for most users, so made this part of the protocol. This has the advantage that in the future, app users can freely configure which forwarding node to consult, because they are all using the same protocol.

tl;dr: In Bitcoin language, a forwarding node would be a full node (having full ledger copy) which is not mining (in our case voting).

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Section 3.1) Sync) Is the ledger public or only shared by Validator nodes?
                            Do all the Validator nodes have a complete copy of the ledger?
Everybody can run validator and forwarding nodes, which have a full copy of the ledger.

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Section 3.2) Deposits) If i'm an attacker with resources, is it possible to create multiple Validator nodes at the same time, wait 6 hours and then attack the system?
Yes. But you need a lot of resources, because validator nodes require deposit. It is analogous to buying a lot of mining hardware and overtake Bitcoin mining.
                                 
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Section 3.3) Redeem) Would this result in the formation of independent clusters of Validator nodes or a network where all the nodes are not directly connected but are connected at different levels to each other? Kind of like six degrees of Kevin (https://oracleofbacon.org/Grin Grin Grin
Random here does not mean “connect to any node”, but select nodes in a mathematically random way from the full list of nodes. The full list of nodes is literally public, because deposit accounts are listed in the ledger.



If anything remains unclear, feel free to ask more specific questions. Note that the project is under active development and more detailed documentation will be released over time, of course.
newbie
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Read the white paper, have a few questions. Would greatly appreciate if the team could clarify.

Section 2) Tnet) please further explain the need and role of Forwarding nodes.
                        Can wallet nodes directly communicate with Validator nodes?

Section 3.1) Sync) Is the ledger public or only shared by Validator nodes?
                            Do all the Validator nodes have a complete copy of the ledger?

Section 3.2) Deposits) If i'm an attacker with resources, is it possible to create multiple Validator nodes at the same time, wait 6 hours and then attack the system?
                                 
Section 3.3) Redeem) Would this result in the formation of independent clusters of Validator nodes or a network where all the nodes are not directly connected but are connected at different levels to each other? Kind of like six degrees of Kevin (https://oracleofbacon.org/Grin Grin Grin
newbie
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Dear Coinking,

Banks won't open till Monday and capital controls will not be lifted anytime soon. 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-07-14/will-more-austerity-jump-start-the-greek-economy-

Our offer is open to all credit-worthy Greek citizens.

legendary
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Nice promo work there Trestor team. Can I assume those 2000 Euros worth of Trests aren't going to Greeks now?
newbie
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https://i.imgur.com/TD6eVLv.jpg
Picture taken from the "Deccan Chronicle"

Another series of news on our offer to help Greek people while capital controls are in place.

legendary
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newbie
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You can get Trests at a Trestor Retail Partners location (trestor.org/locate-retail-partners) or online (trestor.org/get-trests).
sr. member
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sr. member
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Nice work. Definitely going to keep an eye on this one   Wink
newbie
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I predict losses of Bitcoin for any one to invest in it. I feel no security with the photos such a team that has no name.

Thank you for the feedback. They are group pictures it would be hard to add the name of each team member depicted to the OP.
But you can see all of our core team members on our website with their names and LinkedIn profiles: https://trestor.org/about-us.
full member
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I predict losses of Bitcoin for any one to invest in it. I feel no security with the photos such a team that has no name.
newbie
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Dear canth,

It's very refreshing to answer your logical questions, most people don't care about doing their homework, we really respect the time you have spent in digging out the legal facts here.

1. Sub section (b) is not applicable to our RPs or Trestor Foundation because of 2 reasons:
 
   a. There is no administrator
   b. RPs don't qualify as receiving financial institution

Reference: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/1010.100

2. Sub section (c) is not applicable to our RPs, but may be applicable to Trestor Foundation, however,  we are very confident that our compliance   narrative is bullet-proof

Most important thing to understand here is what FinCEN thinks about its own guidance: 

This guidance explains only how FinCEN characterizes certain activities involving virtual currencies under the Bank Secrecy Act and FinCEN regulations. It should not be interpreted as a statement by FinCEN about the extent to which those activities comport with other federal or state statutes, rules, regulations, or orders.

FinCEN recognizes that the actual indictment probability arising from these guidance is low, not only because of overlapping laws but also because of definition complexity.

Trestor Team
@trestorconnect
www.trestor.org


 
legendary
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Dear mmm01: We have notified Stephan, he will answer your question shortly.

Dear canth,

Trestor Retail Partners (RPs) are simply trading a 'token of subjective value', other businesses are able to trade various other similar tokens like old coins, artwork, stamps, etc. without any special trading license. In case of Trestor RPs, token happens to be 'Trests'

The fundamental difference between Trestor RPs and MSBs is that while Trestor RPs are traders of tokens, MSBs lets a user deposit money and assign it to another person for withdrawal, therefore they are participating in money transmission and generally charge a transmission fee.    


Trestor Team
@trestorconnect
www.trestor.org


I don't want to argue and I'm sure that you've vetted this with some lawyer, but suffice to say that I don't think this will stick.

I suggest you peruse sections B and C of the following document.

http://fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html

Your RPs are selling cryptocurrencies, full stop. As a firm that does this at a retail level, I'm certain that MSB/MTL state regulations apply as does the BSA. Best of luck if you think that your stores can do this without getting regulated and without filing necessary reporting at a state and federal level. It doesn't matter that you want to make a comparison to old coins, artwork, etc - FinCEN doesn't give a damn about those things or stamps but they do care about virtual currencies, which Trests clearly are. Hell - check the subject in this thread where you reference it as money. Smiley
newbie
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Dear mmm01: We have notified Stephan, he will answer your question shortly.

Dear canth,

Trestor Retail Partners (RPs) are simply trading a 'token of subjective value', other businesses are able to trade various other similar tokens like old coins, artwork, stamps, etc. without any special trading license. In case of Trestor RPs, token happens to be 'Trests'

The fundamental difference between Trestor RPs and MSBs is that while Trestor RPs are traders of tokens, MSBs lets a user deposit money and assign it to another person for withdrawal, therefore they are participating in money transmission and generally charge a transmission fee.    


Trestor Team
@trestorconnect
www.trestor.org
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1001

Our Retail Partners allow you to buy and sell Trests in locations all over the world.


Please provide one example of a retail partner that advertises their prices on their website, transparently.


With Trests there are no transaction fees, all the coins you mentioned do have transaction fees. Transactions take an average of 10 seconds to confirm, which is also a +.
Furthermore, with Trestor there is no mining required to protect the network which is a big waste of energy, and possibly unsustainable.

There are no transaction fees because there is no security in ensuring that the digital ledger stays the same. What would you do if law enforcement told you to reverse a transaction since 'terrorists' owned trests and were using them?

When you skip that big waste of energy you refer to, there are tradeoffs. I'll pass thanks.

I think you are misunderstanding how trestor works exactly. Since anyone can run a node, a transaction cant simply be reversed without the majority of the network agreeing on it

OK, but there's no incentive to run a node unless perhaps you are a business that buys and sells Trests. Since any such business depends upon Trestor (owner of ~all Trests currently) then it's in their best interest to support anything Trestor does. If Trestor is served with an order to reverse or suppress a transaction, they'll have no choice but to obey.

I didn't see the reversibility of transactions in the Trestor whitepaper, they're using a Proof of Stake blockchain which like any blockchain creates a permanent record of transactions.

If Trestor was 'served with an order to reverse or suppress a transaction' then this is no different than Ripple - which currently owns all the nodes.

There is no monetary incentive to set up a node, but according to the TNet documentation it would seem that a university would be interested in setting up a node so they can be a relay point to pass messages to other nodes.

Yes, I would say atleast Trestor is currently better than Ripple where now you need to fill out AML and KYC and they can just reverse transactions. Its basically paypal at this point

You will need to do AML and KYC to buy Trests or else the firms selling them will be breaking MSB/MTL laws, at least in the USA. There are minimal thresholds, but there is no fully exempting AML and KYC - firms will need to file SARs just the same as Ripple Labs needs to do when they sell XRP to customers.
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