[ANN] UNIVERSA | Blockchain Protocol for Business - page 125.

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Quote from: prometheus2020 on August 17, 2018, 07:48:40 AM

well, after Universa will be fully implemented by several banks and transportation companies (I think, it will take a year or so) - the company will have similar resources with TON.

And it will be much harder stage.
It's not so hard for a cryptostart-up to "take off", but it's really hard to survive and do not stall in development.

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Quote from: Myerna29 on August 17, 2018, 07:44:18 AM

I don't think so.
"To do something with small resources" and "to use vast resources efficiently" - are quite different skills.

well, after Universa will be fully implemented by several banks and transportation companies (I think, it will take a year or so) - the company will have similar resources with TON.

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Quote from: prometheus2020 on August 17, 2018, 06:08:42 AM

I think if Universa had this much money they will made something waaaaaaay much better.

I don't think so.
"To do something with small resources" and "to use vast resources efficiently" - are quite different skills.

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Quote from: joiloi on August 17, 2018, 07:05:32 AM

Guys, I don't really think that such a direct comparison is appropriate. It's OK to compare their marketing strategies, but these projects do not compete with each other. And we are now saying that "That one is good, that one is bad".

Yep. They are different projects with different goals in mind.
But they have really a lot in common - both have a potential to revolutionize their respective fields, both have some delays and troubles, both has some bad press from former employees.
So I think it's quite interesting to compare their ways of doing business.

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Quote from: bitcoinbastard on August 17, 2018, 06:50:10 AM

So, basically, you're saying that TON is "cryptoheaven", while Universa is "just a tool".

Guys, I don't really think that such a direct comparison is appropriate. It's OK to compare their marketing strategies, but these projects do not compete with each other. And we are now saying that "That one is good, that one is bad".

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Quote from: bitcoinbastard on August 17, 2018, 06:50:10 AM

So, basically, you're saying that TON is "cryptoheaven", while Universa is "just a tool".

A very, very potent tool.
Remember - steamengine also was "just a tool".

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Quote from: Whelming on August 17, 2018, 06:42:29 AM

It doesn't come only to money.
Audience expectaions of TON are so high, that any fail will doom its popularity for a very long time.
Universa is perceived as "just" a utility network. And it will be considered OK, if they'd have to tweak it a bit every so often.

So, basically, you're saying that TON is "cryptoheaven", while Universa is "just a tool".
When you put it that way, I can't really argue - a tool has a right to be not perfect.

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Quote from: bitcoinbastard on August 17, 2018, 06:28:49 AM

It doesn't work that way.
Large businesses put too much money into TON. If it fails - they won't just "let it go". Developers have to screw up really spectacularly to lose investors' support.

It doesn't come only to money.
Audience expectaions of TON are so high, that any fail will doom its popularity for a very long time.
Universa is perceived as "just" a utility network. And it will be considered OK, if they'd have to tweak it a bit every so often.

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Quote from: Whelming on August 17, 2018, 06:09:16 AM

The higher you grow the longer you fall. If TON will make any mistake they will crush at onse, but if Universa made something wrong during their work - they just have to update their platform and continue growing

It doesn't work that way.
Large businesses put too much money into TON. If it fails - they won't just "let it go". Developers have to screw up really spectacularly to lose investors' support.

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Quote from: bitcoinbastard on August 17, 2018, 06:15:06 AM

It's "high risk - high return game". "Exploding" releases are much more impressive.
And about waiting - how many times Casper was delayed. But still in Vitalik we trust

Crypto in general is "high risk game". There is no point in worsening the odds. So Universa's careful approach is much more appealing to me.
Ethereum, prior to delays in changes, already become successful and innovative network. TON, to date, showed nothing.

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Quote from: joiloi on August 17, 2018, 06:07:45 AM

Well, I can't say anything good about the first method - if you don't show anything for a long time, it generally means that something went wrong. Community doen't like to wait. At all.

It's "high risk - high return game". "Exploding" releases are much more impressive.
And about waiting - how many times Casper was delayed. But still in Vitalik we trust

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Quote from: bitcoinbastard on August 17, 2018, 06:03:27 AM

Quote from: Marica12 on August 17, 2018, 05:32:19 AM

Yes, I compared the plan of TON and UNIVERSA, as well as the achievements that were made. Somehow a billion does not really help to develop the project. For all this time only online passport has been made, while Universa is already implementing the platform.

Their approach is different.
Durov's team try to achieve "everything at once", create some kind of a "supernova" on the market.
Universa chose to act "slowly but steadily" - implement the platform on a lesser scale, and than gradually gain more and more support and adoption.

The higher you grow the longer you fall. If TON will make any mistake they will crush at onse, but if Universa made something wrong during their work - they just have to update their platform and continue growing

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Quote from: joiloi on August 17, 2018, 05:58:35 AM

Quote from: prometheus2020 on August 17, 2018, 05:24:24 AM

Guys do the same thing as TON, only they don't need a billion dollars to do it.

I REALLY hope that they don't follow TON footsteps. For now TON team only make promises. And not even public promises

True, bro)

I think if Universa had this much money they will made something waaaaaaay much better.

Also they choose different implement strategy, so i don't think Universa will follow anyone.

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Quote from: bitcoinbastard on August 17, 2018, 06:03:27 AM

Their approach is different.
Durov's team try to achieve "everything at once", create some kind of a "supernova" on the market.
Universa chose to act "slowly but steadily" - implement the platform on a lesser scale, and than gradually gain more and more support and adoption.

Well, I can't say anything good about the first method - if you don't show anything for a long time, it generally means that something went wrong. Community doen't like to wait. At all.
I don't wanna say that TON is scam, but project that spend so much time in "secret development" usually are not so impressive as the audience hope them to be.

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Quote from: Marica12 on August 17, 2018, 05:32:19 AM

Yes, I compared the plan of TON and UNIVERSA, as well as the achievements that were made. Somehow a billion does not really help to develop the project. For all this time only online passport has been made, while Universa is already implementing the platform.

Their approach is different.
Durov's team try to achieve "everything at once", create some kind of a "supernova" on the market.
Universa chose to act "slowly but steadily" - implement the platform on a lesser scale, and than gradually gain more and more support and adoption.

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Quote from: prometheus2020 on August 17, 2018, 05:24:24 AM

Guys do the same thing as TON, only they don't need a billion dollars to do it.

I REALLY hope that they don't follow TON footsteps. For now TON team only make promises. And not even public promises

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Quote from: XCNP on August 14, 2018, 08:09:57 AM

Recently have looked at the nest 100 days plan. I still remember at the time of first similar plan's announcement it was looking far now those days are over. Universa team has achieved many things and already few days are gone from second phase. While market is down opportunity will remain available to pick up more tokens.

Yes, I compared the plan of TON and UNIVERSA, as well as the achievements that were made. Somehow a billion does not really help to develop the project. For all this time only online passport has been made, while Universa is already implementing the platform.

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Quote from: Marica12 on August 17, 2018, 05:03:36 AM

I am very interested in the life of this project, because it seems to me that this is the way to implement blockchain in large structures that do not want to lose their positions. Cryptocurrencies are good, but they regularly face resistance from the authorities. But if we show the state and banking institutions what advantages this technology actually has, then they can think about it. It's nice that there are people like Borodich, who feel the same and are actively working in this direction.

Yes, it is a very advanced technology. Pay attention to the speed of transactions and an interesting solution in the architecture. It was especially interesting to analyze the consensus algorithm, but I still do not understand it to the end. But nothing, I'm a user, not a programmer. Guys do the same thing as TON, only they don't need a billion dollars to do it.

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I am very interested in the life of this project, because it seems to me that this is the way to implement blockchain in large structures that do not want to lose their positions. Cryptocurrencies are good, but they regularly face resistance from the authorities. But if we show the state and banking institutions what advantages this technology actually has, then they can think about it. It's nice that there are people like Borodich, who feel the same and are actively working in this direction.

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Quote from: prometheus2020 on August 17, 2018, 04:45:01 AM

For me it is important that the head of the project is constantly involved in various forums and conferences. This attracts attention to the project and allows you to find new partners. So already 6 countries are going to introduce Universal in the work for the needs of the state

yeah, it's fun to read people complaining about him being around all the time. In this task, and the Director, do you think that Borodich just sits and writing code? Don't be so naive, there are programmers for that. The main goal of the Manager is to organize the work of others and attract public attention, which is happening.

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