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Topic: [ANN] [USDbitfnx]The first dividend paying USD asset (~60% p.a.)Auditor=Damelon! (Read 8893 times)

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Recap:

Asset ID:10294386916428132892

The USDbitfnx asset ran successfully for over 100 days and has achieved a compounded 9.15% interest in those 107 days and 833$ paid out and 52$ pending dividend.

Now we can calculate the average yearly return, that we can expect with this asset:   1.0915^(365/107) = 1.348 = 34,8% yearly interest!



Reminder: USDbitfnx is a USD backed asset, that has deposits on Bitfinex and uses that USD to participate in the swap market on that site. This currently yields 34.8% yearly with USDbitfnx's swapping strategy. The balance is always 100% and this was/is audited by Damelon.

There are two ways to get USDbitfnx:

- Send NXT or BTC to me, those will be sent to Bitfinex and exchanged for USD, you will get USDbitfnx tokens into your account.
- Buy them on the exchange.

(Both ways are also open for selling/redeeming the asset)

Why would you buy USDbitfnx?

- With USDbitfnx, you can speculate on falling BTC and NXT prices
- Gain more interest than on a bank account via dividends
- Trading gains (this asset was once sold for 17 NXT, now it is worth over 50 NXT, so much volatility)

Update: I have placed a sell order with the issuer account. Once someone buys USDbitfnx from that offer, the NXT will be immediately sold and transferred to Bitfinex.

Thread: https://nxtforum.org/assets-board/(ann)-(usdbitfnx)-the-first-dividend-paying-usd-asset-(~60-per-anno)/
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I have just successfully paid out 205.32 USDbitfnx in dividend.

Message attached to the dividend payment:
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This is the Week 2+3 Dividend Payment!                   
This round, the 1 NXT will be deducted from the dividends.                  
If the dividend amount is below 0.1 USDbitfnx, the dividend will be noted for that account and accumulated.                  
Dividend total: $205,32                  
Total outstanding USDbitfnx not in the issuer account: $15393,11                  
Dividend per USDbitfnx 0.01314 USDbitfnx                   
Please leave some feedback here:                   
Main thread: https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=3884.0                  
Post rating here: https://coinist.co/nxt/nxt-assets/USDbitfnx-nxtbqk9udgp2q9749h3l                  

If you have not received your payment, contact me please.

Next dividend payment will be in exactly 14 days!
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Thanks for always being on top of this and having integrity to support the AE.

No problems.

Dividends will be a bit delayed because I need to figure out how to calculate the stakeholder distribution without the Nxtreporting.com site. It is currently not updating.

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=85.msg81112#msg81112
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Thanks for always being on top of this and having integrity to support the AE.
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Don't forget today is dividend day Smiley
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TOMORROW IS DIVIDEND DAY!

Interest, Week 2-3:

Day 1: $15.44
Day 2: $15.57
Day 3: $15.82
Day 4: $15.44
Day 5: $15.37
Day 6: $14.81
Day 7: $14.20
Day 8: $14.16
Day 9: $14.53
Day 10: $14.07
Day 11: $14.17
Day 12: $12.60
Day 13: $13.46
Day 14: $13.53

Accumulated: $203.17

Projected total payout on day 14/15: $216
Projected payout per USDbitfnx on day 14/15: 0.0138USDbitfnx/USD   (13.8 USDbitfnx per 1000 USDbitfnx)




Details can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bSej427-QIqm3ls-r3pIwV8XWWEm1aul9I2ToDIzHzA/pubhtml

Regards
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Interest, Week 2-3:

Day 1: $15.44
Day 2: $15.57
Day 3: $15.82
Day 4: $15.44
Day 5: $15.37
Day 6: $14.81
Day 7: $14.20
Day 8: $14.16
Day 9: $14.53
Day 10: $14.07

Accumulated: $149.41

Projected total payout on day 14/15: $210
Projected payout per USDbitfnx on day 14/15: 0.01346USDbitfnx/USD   (13.46 USDbitfnx per 1000 USDbitfnx)




Details can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bSej427-QIqm3ls-r3pIwV8XWWEm1aul9I2ToDIzHzA/pubhtml

Regards
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Interest, Week 2-3:

Day 1: $15.44
Day 2: $15.57
Day 3: $15.82
Day 4: $15.44
Day 5: $15.37


Accumulated: $77.64

Projected total payout on day 14/15: $217
Projected payout per USDbitfnx on day 14/15: 0.01496USDbitfnx/USD   (14.96 USDbitfnx per 1000 USDbitfnx)

The actual payout per 1000 USDbitfinx will eventually even out at around 15-20USDbitfnx (every 2 weeks)



Details can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bSej427-QIqm3ls-r3pIwV8XWWEm1aul9I2ToDIzHzA/pubhtml



Regards
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Interest, Week 2-3:

Day 1: $15.44
Day 2: $15.57


Accumulated: $31.01

Projected total payout on day 14/15: $226.8
Projected payout per USDbitfnx on day 14/15: 0.01512USDbitfnx/USD   (15.12 USDbitfnx per 1000 USDbitfnx)

The actual payout per 1000 USDbitfinx will eventually even out at around 15-20USDbitfnx (every 2 weeks)



Details can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bSej427-QIqm3ls-r3pIwV8XWWEm1aul9I2ToDIzHzA/pubhtml



Regards
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- simplicity: Several steps of work are not neccessary when using USDbitfnx instead of own account. E.g.: No managing of swaps, security concerns, everything is in the NXT AE account in one place.
I'm not sure I agree that having all the assets in one place is necessarily a good thing, but I can't say that I've got any manageable alternative suggestions, in other words, while I agree with your choice of having them in one account, I'm a bit concerned that the balance of your account alone might attract too much unwanted attention for my preference.

- tradebility: When using the own account to provide USD for swaps you are bound to the lending time. To get good rates, one has to offer +15 day terms. This makes the funds stuck for a longer period and also never all funds are available at the same time. Once this asset takes off, the tradebility will be very good, with enough liquidity in the market for this asset.
This makes sense. Thank you for clarifying this.

- competibility: When using this service, the funds are actively managed, thus resulting in an average higher lending rate and shorter downtimes (funds not lent, this is a big problem). The time alone that is needed to do this would only be worth it for larger accounts!
Edit 2: No funds will be lent out with FRR, as this is not the most profitable way to lend.
Thanks to the edit, this makes sense as well.

- profitability: Given the points "tradebility, simplicity and competibility" you have to calculate with opportunity costs. Will the saved time, the higher lending rates, the shorter downtime, the higher liquidity be worth the fees, that I am charging for this? If yes: then you would be adviced to use this. If not: well, then you should actively manage your own portfolio!
Point taken. And I agree with your logic.

As for the ID thing. The real account of mine is strongly connected to my identity. This seperation is stricly because of regulatory reasons. I can have Damelon confirm that he indeed knows my real identity, if that would be preferable.


I might have exaggerated my concerns regarding your identity. I fully understand you do not wish to expose your identity, and get phone calls in the middle of the night 365 days a year.
My only excuse is some recent news articles that awakens paranoia, specifically the article from a couple of weeks back about the fraud at btcjam


That being said, your detailed explanations are very much appreciated
To me, the purpose and business model of this asset is clear now.

Thank you.
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Dividend Payment was successfully sent!

A total of 82 USDbitfnx assets (incl. 5% fee) were distributed to all asset holders. This time the 1 NXT transaction fee was NOT deducted from the amount, thus resulting in <10 USDbitfnx holders also getting a dividend! This was a one time gift from me, so please don't expect this in the future!

Day 1: $2.12
Day 2: $8.90
Day 3: $12.54
Day 4: $14.77
Day 5: $15.28
Day 6: $15.94
Day 7: $15.98

Accumulated: $85.53

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bSej427-QIqm3ls-r3pIwV8XWWEm1aul9I2ToDIzHzA/pubhtml

The next dividend will be paid in exactly 2 weeks!
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I feel I must be missing something..
What's the benefit of adding you as a middle hand in this?

From the looks of it, the interest you offer follows the bitfinex FRR to the decimal.
And if I read your announcement right, the risks are exactly the same as if we would all offer our funds as liquidity directly from our accounts on bitfinex, except for the uncertainties regarding you.

We don't know who you are. The good thing about this, I guess, is that (hopefully), this makes hijacking your account harder for potential attackers.
Problem is that - aside from your word, your personal view of how security aware you are - we have no way of knowing if what passes as safe to you, would pass as safe to us.

Additionally, Damelon, who I was not previously familiar with, but who is indeed administrator on nxtforum.org, and who did confirm your statement regarding knowledge of your identity, kinda...

I want to confirm that this account is an alt-account of a senior member of the BTT and NXT community.
He contacted me on PM and confirmed his identity in Skype.

I might be going at this a bit too aggressively, but stating to have proven your identity to someone by sending a PM (even if it was in fact from a senior account, and even if there was an obvious, non-disputable link between those accounts (which we - as potential investors - so far know nothing about)), and a skype call, is what I personally would call an overstatement.

What kind of verification was done using skype? ID?
IDs are easy enough to forge, and if they are only needed to look legit when held up in front of a webcam, scanning an ID, manipulating the details, printing it and laminating it could be done in an hour or two.


For me to willingly invest the suggested (or example, if you prefer) amount of $1000 into an account that is out of my control, and get a divend once every two weeks at the same rate that I would receive if I were to offer the same amount for liquidity on the same exchange, from my own account, I would need some sort of benefit that I wouldn't get if I were to just use bitfinex' autorenew feature at FRR rates on my own account.



So, again.. What am I missing?

(this is a repost from the nxtforum thread)

I will try to structure my answer:

So, why is it better to have USDbitfnx than managing the own bitfinex account?

- simplicity: Several steps of work are not neccessary when using USDbitfnx instead of own account. E.g.: No managing of swaps, security concerns, everything is in the NXT AE account in one place.
- tradebility: When using the own account to provide USD for swaps you are bound to the lending time. To get good rates, one has to offer +15 day terms. This makes the funds stuck for a longer period and also never all funds are available at the same time. Once this asset takes off, the tradebility will be very good, with enough liquidity in the market for this asset.
- competibility: When using this service, the funds are actively managed, thus resulting in an average higher lending rate and shorter downtimes (funds not lent, this is a big problem). The time alone that is needed to do this would only be worth it for larger accounts!
- profitability: Given the points "tradebility, simplicity and competibility" you have to calculate with opportunity costs. Will the saved time, the higher lending rates, the shorter downtime, the higher liquidity be worth the fees, that I am charging for this? If yes: then you would be adviced to use this. If not: well, then you should actively manage your own portfolio!

As for the ID thing. The real account of mine is strongly connected to my identity. This seperation is stricly because of regulatory reasons. I can have Damelon confirm that he indeed knows my real identity, if that would be preferable.

Edit: I didn't just send a PM to Damelon to confirm his identity, he knew me already for quite some time. Also we are in close contact to each other, because he is also doing the monthly audits to prove the liquidity.

Edit 2: No funds will be lent out with FRR, as this is not the most profitable way to lend.
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I feel I must be missing something..
What's the benefit of adding you as a middle hand in this?

+1, hope dev can clarify this?
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interesting, will watch this.
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I feel I must be missing something..
What's the benefit of adding you as a middle hand in this?

From the looks of it, the interest you offer follows the bitfinex FRR to the decimal.
And if I read your announcement right, the risks are exactly the same as if we would all offer our funds as liquidity directly from our accounts on bitfinex, except for the uncertainties regarding you.

We don't know who you are. The good thing about this, I guess, is that (hopefully), this makes hijacking your account harder for potential attackers.
Problem is that - aside from your word, your personal view of how security aware you are - we have no way of knowing if what passes as safe to you, would pass as safe to us.

Additionally, Damelon, who I was not previously familiar with, but who is indeed administrator on nxtforum.org, and who did confirm your statement regarding knowledge of your identity, kinda...

I want to confirm that this account is an alt-account of a senior member of the BTT and NXT community.
He contacted me on PM and confirmed his identity in Skype.

I might be going at this a bit too aggressively, but stating to have proven your identity to someone by sending a PM (even if it was in fact from a senior account, and even if there was an obvious, non-disputable link between those accounts (which we - as potential investors - so far know nothing about)), and a skype call, is what I personally would call an overstatement.

What kind of verification was done using skype? ID?
IDs are easy enough to forge, and if they are only needed to look legit when held up in front of a webcam, scanning an ID, manipulating the details, printing it and laminating it could be done in an hour or two.


For me to willingly invest the suggested (or example, if you prefer) amount of $1000 into an account that is out of my control, and get a divend once every two weeks at the same rate that I would receive if I were to offer the same amount for liquidity on the same exchange, from my own account, I would need some sort of benefit that I wouldn't get if I were to just use bitfinex' autorenew feature at FRR rates on my own account.



So, again.. What am I missing?
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how are you able to afford interest 0.16% per day? looks like hyip

I am not paying that amount, but the traders on bitfinex.com are! You can check the current rate here: http://www.bfxdata.com/swapstats/usd.php
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Daily Interest Update:

Only 1 more day till the first dividend will be paid!

Day 1: $2.12
Day 2: $8.90
Day 3: $12.54
Day 4: $14.77
Day 5: $15.28
Day 6: $15.94

Accumulated: $69.55



Details can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bSej427-QIqm3ls-r3pIwV8XWWEm1aul9I2ToDIzHzA/pubhtml

Projected total payout on day 7/8: $85.61
Projected payout per USDbitfnx on day 7/8: 0.0068USDbitfnx/USD   (6.8 USDbitfnx per 1000 USDbitfnx)

The actual payout per 1000 USDbitfinx will eventually even out at around 0.8-1% (per week)

Regards


SO if I own an asset, you just pay the dividend to my NXT wallet address?

Yes, but the dividend won't be in NXT but in USDbitfnx, so that you get the compounding interest effect.

we all do not like ae system

Why do you dislike the NXT asset exchange?
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we all do not like ae system

Why are you reading this thread then?
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