Topic: [ANN] Whirlwind.money | ⚡No Fee⚡ | Ultimate Privacy | Anonymity Mining 12% APR🔥 - page 35. (Read 12468 times)

If your clearnet website has been under almost continuous DDoS then most probably the only beneficiaries from would be competitors. You have only recently launched your business and it has already been coming under sustained DDoS.

From a business perspective, having any donation based as a sole source of income at the core is something not recommended, while many have succeeded many have not ( and I am not referring to wider business not mixers).

As you have increased the optional fee to 0% it should act as a mechanism for users to increase anonymity as they mix in greater numbers increasing deposits but with that being said I would expect the subsequent 3 months of trading to bring you very little (if any) income via transaction fees.

Thank you so much.

I pasted in an address in my clipboard for a withdrawal without checking (I know I know!) and it was not the address I thought it was. Emailed the owner and he sorted it out for me so I did not lose my coins, even though the issue was all my fault. Lesson to everyone to make sure you save the guarantee letter in case you make a stupid mistake like me!

Update completed - everything is back online working in normal conditions | Please keep in mind that if you experience issues with the Clearnet version it's most likely because of our DDoS protection system, I am still tweaking it while we are under attack continuously. I'll sort it out without a doubt but it takes some time to do that, so until everything is set please use the Tor version if you experience any issues on Clearnet, that will most likely work without any issues at all.

I am working on displaying the anonymity set on the main page for each one of your selected outputs (number of deposits it could have originated from), so users know exactly how anonymous their bitcoin really is after using our service. I still feel like most users are not yet aware of how Whirlwind actually works and why it's the superior choice from a privacy perspective, so understanding what anonymity set means and seeing it grow each time you enter the website should make it easier for everyone to grasp the concept. It's just a matter of time until everyone gets used to the system and understands the undeniable advantages it offers.

I believe the decision to make the fees optional is wise for 2 reasons:
1. The only disadvantage of Whirlwind's mechanism is that at the start of the service the privacy set is weak due to the fact that there are few deposits. Making the fees optional should encourage more users to give the service a try, and by doing this they are helping all future users by increasing the anonymity set, making everything more secure.
2. A donation based business model was already proven to work before

The current plan is to leave the fees optional indefinitely, but if we won't generate enough revenue to be sustainable after the first 3 months we will have to implement a minimum fee again.

I'll answer any question or concern you might have!

You don't need to create an account to mix your bitcoins. Hence no sign up option or something like that.
It works like this for any mixer...


uh. A teennager can use it. There is nothing complicated and everything is explained in the FAQ. As for this question on what to do:

To use the "Fast" option



To use the "Notes" option




and if you trully need more
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/whirlwindmoney-review-campaign-write-a-review-earn-up-to-100-5447322

I'm working on a big update that will be live sometimes in the next 24 hours. During this time the service may experience some downtime, but you can safely use it whenever it's working. I apologise in advance for any withdrawal delays that may happen.

I will update the changelog as soon as I'm done and I will explain the decision I made, for now I only have 1 thing to say, 0% fees are on the way!

After the update the FAQ should contain answers to most of the questions you may have, but if you're still unsure contact me in DM or email and I'll guide you.

I have not used any mixer to mix coin but I have been seen them in the forum since from Chipmixer campaign. So when Whirlwind.money (bitcoin mixer), I tried to mix coins and at first the site was not opening in the browser and from other users direction I used Tor Network (onion browser) to access the site and when I visited the site, I was thinking that I would signed up and login to process the mixing but little did I know, there was no such of sign up and sign in. All what I saw was deposit and withdraw, and I became wondering what to do. When I click the deposit, there were two options. Fast and Note. It became more complicated.

Therefore, I would want OP to guide me in a simple way to mix coin. And I believed this guide will help a lot of people who are new like me in the mixing sites to start mixing.

...Just crossposting...

For information, it's a very very low percentage. To make a comparison, Chipmixer was at ~30% IIRC

 
With the Fast option

This feature was there from day one, it's actually one of the strongest selling points of Whirlwind. You could deposit 1BTC today and get a Note, withdraw 0.1BTC tomorrow and the rest during the next 3 months in 0.01BTC increments daily. There are no time limitations/ maximum number of withdrawals from a Note or anything really, so you are in full control over the process. This makes it impossible for outside observers to link your transactions beyond any doubt.

It's also very important to keep in mind that since Fast and Note outputs are identical, Fast mode is as secure as the Notes from a privacy standpoint. Even if for example you deposit 0.1BTC using Fast mode, and withdraw everything (0.1BTC - fee) to a single address 1 hour later, it might seem like it's easy to link the 2 transactions, but it's merely an illusion. That output could have originated from any deposit.

The fact that you didn't know these things is definitely not your fault, I'm guessing most people in here are not yet aware. I should have done a better job explaining all these details, but everything will become clear after some more time of receiving and answering questions and concerns.

Update
-Clearnet is back online with improved DDoS protection and stability
-Added "You can withdraw as many times as you want from a single Note." on the Withdraw Note page
-Added "All deposits made within 24 hours will be considered valid, regardless if they are still pending or confirmed." on the Deposit page

I have no idea how I managed to overlook this when I tested the Whirlwind website for my review.

There is no mention of this in the changelog so was that feature always there from day one since the Whirlwind website went live? I cannot understand how I missed that part of the functionality where multiple withdrawals of varying amounts can be made from a single Note. This was one of two recommendations I made in my review but it was there and somehow I missed it during my testing for my review.

There is no issue in case you deposit during a DDoS attack or at any other point really. If you made it to the step where you receive the deposit address from us you have nothing to worry about. Even if the the whole backend goes offline after you deposited, the system will automatically process the withdrawals afterwards, so worst case scenario there might be a 1-2 hours delay in case we are doing maintenance.

Also a few other things I've seen on the forum that I want to address, I will make it clear on the website too when I update the FAQ:

-You can withdraw as many times as you want from a single Note, you don't have to spend its whole balance at once.
-The 24 hour limit for deposit addresses is only valid if you didn't send any transaction to it yet. If you sent it during the first 24 hours, but it's stuck because of congestion, it will still be processed automatically whenever it's confirmed.
-We do not use Cloudflare or any 3rd party for ddos protection, it's our own proprietary system.

I see this as a very good sign, very early indeed. I was expecting it though so no issues from my side, I just need a bit more time to arrive at a more permanent setup but it will be done.

If you have other questions let me know! I think that after about 500-1000 deposits it will already be close to impossible to link transactions (beyond any doubt), just consider how challenging it would be to do it after we have 10,000 deposits or more for example.

Consider the existing services that offer this: you send them the funds -> they send you funds back from centralized exchanges. In our case it would look like this: you deposit the funds using Note/Fast -> they get sent to the same pool as all other deposits so you benefit from exactly the same privacy-> when you withdraw you receive funds back from centralized exchanges instead of the normal pool. So it's the same but you'd have the added privacy benefits of using our system.

I gave this a good thought and I don't think it's worth it to even attempt to offer this service, even though it's definitely possible and it would bring a lot of users. I believe that in the current form Whirlwind does nothing illegal, and if we were to offer that service this won't be valid anymore and I don't think this risk is worth it.

Thanks for the explanation. I got your point and things are clear now. We just need to use the mixer in a little complicated way so it becomes harder to trace the link. Once a lot of people will start using whirlwind, it will be harder for someone to trace. Thanks a lot.

If you are using Fast mode and have assigned/set everything accordingly, you have nothing to worry about. Your BTC will arrive at your desired address at your pre-set desired time/delay time. This means the mixing process will continue for sure.

In an event when I deposit already money on the mixing address provided while the Ddos attack occur. Will the mixing process continue or the service will temporarily pause and resume once the update completed. I successfully mix already in the fast. I just notice that my deposit needs to have 2 confirmation before mixing will commence based on the set time and a problem like this might occur on this period. Clearnet version is always available whenever I’m visiting the mixer.

After only 1 week! That's was fast  

I'm joking, but I know it's not funny.
I guess some tumblers are not happy to see you in the industry. The positive is they're "afraid" and you're on the right road.

Update -

Clearnet server is getting DDoS'd and is now down for maintenance. Tor version works as usual, so for the next hours please use that instead!

Since we are at the beginning I don't worry too much about the uptime for the Clearnet service, I'd rather take the time and make multiple adjustments to the proprietary DDoS protection until I get it right instead of using Cloudflare or any 3rd party.

I made the following changes today, please let me know if you encounter any other issues. FAQ will be updated to include most questions a new user might have about the service.



It may appear that this is the case at first glance, but thanks to how the system works both Fast mode and Note mode benefit from being in the same privacy set since no outside observer could tell which mode a user chose. I'll quote again from a different discussion I had in the other thread:


For any questions I'm always here.

Well, I got your point. If I'm not mistaken, Notes are very much helpful in breaking the link, and as much time as we delay to withdraw from Notes along with the option to combine Notes and withdraw different amounts. Otherwise, using fast mode with almost instant payout, the process isn't that helpful I think since they can be identified with little effort with some explorer check, as it limits the address, and output to check.
Now, it also makes sense why having different fee would add a little bit extra privacy.

I checked the clearnet today morning for a different purpose but i wasn't able to access the site.

I replied to your email a few minutes ago - please check.

I also enabled DMs from newbies, wasn't aware that was an option.

It's hard to have a stable build on clearnet considering our setup, but I think I'll be able to get it to be decent enough after some more changes. I prefer security and privacy over reliability though so that's why it's taking a few iterations until I get it right

I have emailed twice about an issue with no response. I can't PM cause whirlwindmoney has disabled PMs from newbies. Help please.

By any chance, Are you trying to access the onion link in your Chrome browser? I am sorry if I am wrong. The Onion domain is not supposed to work with regular browsers. You may want to install the Tor browser to access the Onion domain. The Onion Domain works every time I try with the Tor Browser.

For the Clearnet domain, Yes, they have had some issues with clearnet domain. Your browser needs JS enabled to work correctly. The Clearnet domain is supposed to show you a five-second countdown before you get access to the website. If it shows you a blank page without showing the countdown. Clear your browser and try again. If their server is not down, Everything should work perfectly. For some reason, I still cannot access the clearnet domain. The whirlwind team may want to work on those issues.

@Whirlwindmoney, it's Nice to see you guys prioritizing fixing every possible issue. As you may know, Users still have issues accessing the clearnet domain. That would be great if you could fix it asap.

Thank you for the question - it's intended to work this way

I will quote a previous message of mine from another thread where I explained the advantages of this setup: