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Topic: [ANN] Zcoin (XZC) - Implementing ZKP privacy without trusted setup - page 322. (Read 663504 times)

legendary
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No reason for this coin to be so highly priced, set some buys between 10 - 30K, don't hold all the way down.
Start buying when the early bag holders dump out of desperation.

Highly priced? Snakeoil Navcoin with Soopy the photoshop "cryptographer" is worth 5x more than working zerocoin tech, it's crazy really. This is why we need to get on Polo, even the scam coins prosper over there with its daily volume.
legendary
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Dunno what is happening.

Zcash: +300% from 0.6 to 3 btc each
Zcoin: -50% from 0.008 to 0.003

Why this massive dump last 48 hours for zcoin?

Zcash is goint to the moon and zcoin to the hell.

No reason for this coin to be so highly priced, set some buys between 10 - 30K, don't hold all the way down.
Start buying when the early bag holders dump out of desperation.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
Dunno what is happening.

Zcash: +300% from 0.6 to 3 btc each
Zcoin: -50% from 0.008 to 0.003

Why this massive dump last 48 hours for zcoin?

Zcash is goint to the moon and zcoin to the hell.

I think you just have to give it time. thousands of new coins are being mined every day. It seems that a lot of these are being sold in the market.

It's a simple matter of supply and demand. At the moment there are more sellers than buyers so the price is going down.
In the short term this has little to do with whether the tech is good or bad.

We need to find a price where there are enough buyers to soak up the supply.

The technology may be amazing but it is impossible for Zcoin to go up until there are more buyers than sellers.
hero member
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Waiting for polo, and more news....This could be a real competitor for zec
hero member
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Thanks for answer.
I heard on slack, dev are going to talk with coinpayment gateway and poramin is goin to meet a professor about mtp tomorrow.
ready for pump?
full member
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@trapsy

many ways you can interpret it. But there's a lot of FUD out there about Zcoin being a fork of Zcash even from people who should know better. I think this has been dealt with in the OP and many times in this thread too.

There's also a lot of AWS miners who are using cheap AWS credits to mine these and it's still profitable to sell for them thus creating negative price pressure in the short term though there are indications that many of their AWS instances are being terminated (yet to be confirmed).

You have to also realize that Zcash also massively dumped from the beginning Cheesy.

I think we have yet to determine the price correlation of Zcash vs Zcoin but i think the simple fact is that there's still not enough exposure of what Zcoin represents and how it offers benefits over Zcash. Zcash is indeed the hot item right now with huge volatility and with BTC's price rise, it's not beyond the realm of imagination that XZC's price will suffer.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Dunno what is happening.

Zcash: +300% from 0.6 to 3 btc each
Zcoin: -50% from 0.008 to 0.003

Why this massive dump last 48 hours for zcoin?

Zcash is goint to the moon and zcoin to the hell.
hero member
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true, i forgot about that. But that really wasn't a problem for me because i mine directly to bittrex Smiley
sr. member
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Firo (FIRO)
zcoin is so underpriced, and that zcrash so overpriced...
Zcoin wallet and everything is stable from day one.

There was the reindex issue but that had been fixed very quickly.
hero member
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i'm mining on pool.mn, and i found a block, so i guess i should get a reward which is 40 xzc ?
Block found 10/31/2016 02:55:40 but still no coins for me, is that normal ?
hero member
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zcoin is so underpriced, and that zcrash so overpriced...
Zcoin wallet and everything is stable from day one.

I think all xzc coins trading underpriced have been controlled by the whales. They are collecting all coins with cheap price
the price will increase quickly in next weeks I'm sure.
hero member
Activity: 2548
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zcoin is so underpriced, and that zcrash so overpriced...
Zcoin wallet and everything is stable from day one.
newbie
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zcoin so good!But we need poloniex!Still exchange for bittrex,zcoin must be goes down soon!
sr. member
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Firo (FIRO)
They're quite different in cryptographic principles but both used Zero knowledge proof and are anonymous.

https://zcoin.io/zcoin-and-zcash/

Check this out for more details
full member
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Zcoin or zcash, who will win? arent both similar?
sr. member
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Firo (FIRO)

2. This is a new coin, and really untested, but the market cap of all 21 million coins is $50 M
No wonder the sellers are crushing the price.
Does anyone really think this coin is cheap?


Well if we're going to calculate present marketcaps based on coin supply years down the road then how do we calculate Monero with its infinite supply?
I'm pretty sure Monero has a cap of 18 million coins, but I'm interested if you have any evidence to the contrary. thanks

Let's focus more on Zcoin but just for accuracy:

From wikipedia:

They have a tail emission.

Its main emission curve will issue about 18.4 Million coins to be mined in approximately 8 years.[8] [9] (more precisely 18.132 Million coins by ca. end of May 2022[10] [11]) After that, a constant "tail emission" of 0.6 XMR per 2-minutes block (modified from initially equivalent 0.3 XMR per 1-minute block) will create a sub-1% perpetual inflation (more precisely [see ref. above] starting with 0.87% yearly inflation around May 2022) to prevent the lack of incentives for miners once a currency is not mineable anymore.[12] The emission uses a smoothly decreasing reward with no block halving (any block generates a bit less monero than the previous one, formula: Emission per 2-minutes block = max(0.6, floor((M − A)×2−19)×10−12) XMR, with M = 264 − 1 and A = 1012 times the amount of XMR already emitted).
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
Notice a few questions coming up:

"Loads of new coins are being issued each day"

Zcoin follows the same release schedule as Bitcoin's.
And Bitcoins market cap was very tiny at that point, . But we are both comparing apples with oranges to some extent.

But my point was replying to someone who was suggesting people buy. 

I really like the project and own a few, and want to buy more. But I just wanted to add my thoughts when someone suggested people buy now.

But who knows they may be right. I've been wrong plenty of times before
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000

2. This is a new coin, and really untested, but the market cap of all 21 million coins is $50 M
No wonder the sellers are crushing the price.
Does anyone really think this coin is cheap?


Well if we're going to calculate present marketcaps based on coin supply years down the road then how do we calculate Monero with its infinite supply?
I'm pretty sure Monero has a cap of 18 million coins, but I'm interested if you have any evidence to the contrary. thanks
sr. member
Activity: 1004
Merit: 268
Firo (FIRO)
Notice a few questions coming up:

"Loads of new coins are being issued each day"

Zcoin follows the same release schedule as Bitcoin's.

"Why another privacy and anonymity coin? What additional benefit does Zcoin offer over existing anonymity solutions?"

Bitcoin and preceding alternative cryptocurrencies have attempted to solve this problem through the use of transaction mixers or ring signatures. However existing methods do not score that well on the traceability set. The traceability set is a key metric to understanding how private a cryptocurrency is. The traceability set in formerly proposed solutions is limited by the size of the mixing cycle or ring signature. Each mixing cycle or ring signature is limited by the number of transactions per cycle, which is transitively limited by the the block size of the cryptocurrency. Thus, the traceability set in previous attempts at privacy tends to only be a few hundred.

With ZCoin, the traceability set is on a dramatically higher magnitude. Instead of having a traceability set limited to the few hundreds, ZCoin has a traceability set that encompasses all minted coins in the ZCoin system. Thus, the magnitude of the traceability could be in the order of millions, rather than hundreds. So its privacy level is magnitudes higher than all previous cryptocurrency.

The other problem is that tumbling methods are only secure under the assumption of a lack of topological analysis and pre-existing network data, which is an incorrect threat model. There are multiple research papers demonstrating that taking a separate network topology like Facebook can be used to de-anonymize a cryptocurrency as long as a long chain of transaction history exists. With all previous cryptocurrencies, a long chain of transactions is publicly viewable on the blockchain and prone to topological analysis.

With ZCoin, this long chain of transaction history simply does not exist, and there is zero information leakage about the sender and receiver of a transaction, so it is not prone to topological analysis and so the link between the sender and receiver disappears.

ZCoin uses zero-knowledge cryptographic proofs. A zero-knowledge proof  is a method in which one person can prove to another person that a given statement is true, without conveying any information apart from the fact that the statement is indeed true.

"Where are the bounties going to?"

The great majority of the coins being spent from the founder's reward is going towards bounties, some of which may be cashed out. We are considering releasing general categorization of how the bounties are spent.

Of the bounties we're looking at right now that are open to the public:
  • Get a top DNM to accept Zcoin: 1000-5000 XZC (depending on size of DNM)
  • Assistance with implementation of MTP mining algo: Contact us.

"Your coin is being mined by botnets!"

Our Lyra variant is meant to be CPU friendly until we can implement the MTP protocol which is more RAM intensive and therefore less friendly on botnets. From information on the pools and in fact many of the largest miners are public and open about their mining, the vast majority of them are using AWS via cheap AWS credits (https://aws.amazon.com/awscredits/) which can be obtained from attending certain events, webinars, or using some Quick Starts or buying from other people who have the AWS credits. They are not mining 'for free' but are spending their money and time to get a return. Although we haven't looked at the AWS TOS in detail, this may or may not be a breach of their TOS and there are some early indications that some of them are having their credits removed.
sr. member
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But XZC is a new untested coin with loads of coins being issued each day it appears and dumped.


I dont see the reason why it is dumped. It's not even profitable to mine and sell with current price.
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