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can this be done as some kind of crowd-fund
Yes, exactly, that is what I am trying with this asset. By selling shares of my future profit now, I want to crowd-fund the current situation that I have to get the message out before I will create considerable revenue. The win-win situation is: Those who have imagination, and trust in me ... can crowdfund this initial entering-the-market, and -if all this goes well- they can expect to be part of a considerable income stream later.

using HZ or Counterparty?  
yes, exactly.  Here is the list of existing platforms, here is the idea to split between them, and here and here some analyses of assets on them. It looks as if the overwhelming majority (in terms of number and volume) of blockchain assets is using NXT, and that HZ has prospects of being the "next big thing". As their technology is ~identical, for sheer curiosity, I would also like to look into another platform solution (perhaps later).
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How much dividends to pay out, in the first 3 (few), 6 (much more!), 12 months (many!!)(!*!)
How much the traders of the assets shall earn so that it is an attractive gambling opportunity (traders buy supercheap initially, and later sell all their shares at an X-fold price - what is X ?)
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I am very much interested in opinions about (!*!) the dividends expectations of possible long-term investors. What is an attractive -yet realistic- expectation of dividends on the profits of an "young and emerging" software family?

maybe try to keep it simple since this is so new...
stick to HZ or other well-known coin, avoid using different coins.  it would complicate it for you and future buyers of your shares would want accountability-at-a-glance.  everything done blockchain, 1 coin allows that.  i would choose HZ because i personally own a half-mil and am interested (disclaimer).  i would need wallet addresses for income/expense to be posted and current because math is accountable.  idk what average dividends should be, i can ask my bro who has experience with non-inet start-ups.  i think starting price maybe lower, but only for year 1.  if you are successful raise the price after that, it would help yourself and your initial investors.  if less successful keep at the same rate.  your decision as majority share-holder.  just do not drop the rate, it would hurt confidence.  the beauty of open-source is on everybody's side.

mind808crime

edit:  my brother said that there is no set answer on dividends, but that the company (dev) announces at the start of each quarter.  he said that non-inet (his exp.) non-utility companies usually do not offer dividends the first year, but an inet company could very well be different because of possibility of explosive growth.  maybe a moderate dividend promise after 6 months?  or tie the promise to # of subscriptions?   just a thought......

Thanks a lot for your feedback!

maybe try to keep it simple since this is so new...
stick to HZ or other well-known coin
Yes, definitely. I am often an early adopter, but I really don't want to get stranded on an asset platform that no one else but me is using.

, avoid using different coins.  
I probably still will.

HZ has too little total volume (#11) to be the best choice right now - but still I want to support that HZ platform. And it is cheap to launch an asset there.
NXT seems to definitely be where most of the action is (#13).
And also see my second (#12) assessment of the other platforms.

it would complicate it for you and future buyers of your shares would want accountability-at-a-glance.

I mainly complicates it for me, because dividends have to be shared on both platforms. But fortunately NXT and HZ both go back to the same code, so I hope what I implement in one will work in both.


everything done blockchain, 1 coin allows that.
True - but then the only choice would simply be NXT ... not HZ.


i would choose HZ because i personally own a half-mil and am interested (disclaimer).
Happy to hear that.
I really like HZ, and probably launch there first.

i would need wallet addresses for income/expense to be posted and current because math is accountable.  
Sure. Perhaps the dividens software provides that, too?
I was thinking ... with all my crypto income now it probably makes sense ... to also always record the exact value in USD on the day of payment?
The rates asset-to-HZ and HZ-to-BTC and BTC-to-USD are fluctuating so much, so that it is probably a necessary step for me to always record the fiat value of incoming payments?


idk what average dividends should be,

Me neither - but I am getting there. The main factors are mentioned in #25. And I am parsing the asset markets (NXT = nxtforum topic 8580; bitcointalk HZ thread = #1132 and #1137and #1147) to understand better the choices of the other participants.

Thanks a lot for involving your brother.  Very valuable information! Has he also seen my product? Happy to get feedback:
i can ask my bro who has experience with non-inet start-ups.  i think starting price maybe lower, but only for year 1.  if you are successful raise the price after that, it would help yourself and your initial investors.  if less successful keep at the same rate.  your decision as majority share-holder.  just do not drop the rate, it would hurt confidence.  the beauty of open-source is on everybody's side. mind808crime

Yes, that makes sense - sell in phases, with each time rising sell prices.

edit:  my brother said that there is no set answer on dividends, but that the company (dev) announces at the start of each quarter.  he said that non-inet (his exp.) non-utility companies usually do not offer dividends the first year, but an inet company could very well be different because of possibility of explosive growth.  maybe a moderate dividend promise after 6 months?  or tie the promise to # of subscriptions?   just a thought......
Yes. My original idea (#1) had been 4 times a year. But then I studied the other successful assets (#18), and some of them pay even weekly.
Probably very different from non-inet companies because the dividens-software makes it so easy to do it?

But with a weekly payment the sums are so little, how does that look? Feels more like "crypto mining" then.

I will do a quick overview about compound interest, below (#34). Stay tuned :-)

Thanks, mind808crime, for your work, time, attention, ideas - very much appreciated!

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can this be done as some kind of crowd-fund
Yes, exactly, that is what I am trying with this asset.

By selling shares of my future profit now, I want to crowd-fund the current situation
that I have to get the message out before I will create considerable revenue.

The win-win situation is:
Those who have imagination, and trust in me ... can crowdfund this initial entering-the-market,
and -if all this goes well- they can expect to be part of a considerable income stream later.



using HZ or Counterparty?  
yes, exactly.  Here is the list of existing platforms, here is the idea to split between them, and here and here some analyses of assets on them.

It looks as if the overwhelming majority (in terms of number and volume) of blockchain assets
is using NXT, and that HZ has prospects of being the "next big thing". As their technology is ~identical,
for sheer curiosity, I would also like to look into another platform solution (perhaps later).


and what is the end-goal of $?
It is a "the more the better" situation.

Still, let me try to answer with the variables that enter this equation:

It depends on realistic expectations, how many paying customers
  • I will have after 3 months (few?)
  • I will have after 6 months (much more!)
  • I will have after 12 months (many!!)
  • will be with me when the expansion stagnates (?) after how many months (?)

Moreover
  • which average price (per time unit) will maximize the profit?
    (expensive licenses = enough users? cheaper licenses = not much more users? )

  • How much dividends to pay out, in the first 3 (few), 6 (much more!), 12 months (many!!)
    (!*!)

  • How much the traders of the assets shall earn so that it is an attractive gambling opportunity
    (traders buy supercheap initially, and later sell all their shares at an X-fold price - what is X ?)

That last point speaks about those for whom the dividends are not the reason to buy my shares, they are not a crowdfunding crowd, but traders - they buy my shares because they expect them to go up in price X-fold, and then sell them off completely (to others who only later will discover me). Then after that unrealistic rally the price will plummet - and stabilize on a higher level than at initial price. I cannot really predict the numbers in the complexity of such markets, it's impossible to plan such short term trades. I guess for them the main thing has to be: My initial price must be very low, so that after not too much waiting the price will start climbing; and all that on a crypto-timescale. Traders are important, but investors are important, too - so:


I am very much interested in opinions about (!*!) the dividends expectations of possible long-term investors.
What is an attractive -yet realistic- expectation of dividends on the profits of an "young and emerging" software family?

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The announcement looks good,

Thanks. But whatever comes to your mind, please mention now, the initial settings can later not be changed anymore.

but the price is going to be trickier. How much revenue do you expect?

I am trying to guestimate that, I am in that process - with a spreadsheet, of course :-) But that will still take a while.

How can I find out ALL initial prices of ALL the other assets on the HZ platform?
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I am dedicated to my software, and want to be able to sell it better, and improve it continuously. The intention of the asset is to generate some of the money already now, that will only later be earned as software licence profits when many paying users will have been found. This is not a HYIP crypto crazy Ponzi scheme. It is more like a classical share in a company, paying out regular dividends from the sales profits:

Altcoin Portfolio Overview Sheets- profit sharing:
AltSheets Altfolio ASSET [AAA]


--> Preliminary HZ asset description: posting #22


My plan:

  • I am selling 15% of ALL FUTURE PROFITS with my software "AltSheets Altfolio" (*).
  • the payout happens in form of dividends, __ times per year.
  • to all those who are owning my tradeable ASSET
  • on a to-be-chosen platform (see below).

(*) The software is this ALTCOINS PORTFOLIO OVERVIEW platform:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/altsheets-altfolio-altcoin-portfolio-auto-updating-spreadsheet-dataserver-978804 Get your free trial now.


Please comment on this plan. What would you do differently? What else do I have to think about?

Thx!



can this be done as some kind of crowd-fund using HZ or Counterparty?  and what is the end-goal of $?
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My most important question:
  • You, yourself, what do you think? Would you buy some of this?
  • If not, why?
  • If yes, what got your attention?

preliminary HZ asset description

name:       _____
platform:   HZ
number:     5 million
decimals:   2

description:


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5,000,000 _____ asset shares will be issued on the HZ platform, representing 5% of all future profits of the Altsheets Altfolio Software Family, processed as regular dividends to the HZ accounts of all asset holders. Similar assets will be launched on other platforms. The three goals of this asset are to pay for development and improvement of the software, to finance marketing and increase sales activities, and to reward investors by sharing 5% of all profits of the software license sales as dividends. Check the asset ID and issuer ID before trading, there may be copycat assets! All buyers please convey your email address for updates. More infos at altsheets.ddns.net/assets

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Do you like this?

What else is good to include into the (immutable!) description?
Native speakers, I am not: Please check this for strange language.

What is a good starting price?

legendary
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The announcement looks good, but the price is going to be trickier. How much revenue do you expect?
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Asset planning ...

ASSET NUMERIC PROPERTIES

To design my own asset, I am studying the existing assets (only those that are successful).

First HZ, because it is the smaller system, easier to get an overview; and it is newer, so I hope to catch the newest ideas more easily.


_Quantity_______________________Decimals_______Trades_____fractionOfAllHZAssetTrades_____
count105105105105
count if > zero105367272
sumtotal19551.0000
mean 1,102,205,994,084,300 1.3118.6
median 1,500,000 01
max100,000,000,000,000,00084440.2271
min100000.0000
from here on only those assets which had at least 3 trades:
count44444444
count if > zero44234444
sumtotal19220.9831
mean 2,573,445,270,205,060 2.1843.7
median 17,500,000 1.09.5
max100,000,000,000,000,00084440.2271
min100030.0015
weighted with importance of asset = number of trades of this asset:
weightedMean = (sum (value * fractionOfAllHZTrades) ) 349,982,995,555,115 1.65 207


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Asset planning ...

ASSET DESCRIPTIONS

To design my own description, I am studying the existing assets (those that are successful).

First HZ, because it is the smaller system, easier to get an overview; and it is newer, so I hope to catch the newest ideas more easily.

The following are all DESCRIPTIONS of HZ assets for which at least 20 trades happened, sorted in decreasing number of trades (asset in first quotation had 444 trades already, last one 28 trades):

92,000,000 nhzKARM asset shares will be issued. 23,000,000 at an IPO of 10:1 or 10 nhzKARM assets for every NHZ coin; Second phase of IPO of 19,000,000 of 1:1, and a 3,000,000 giveaway as bounty to those who will help the promotion of nhzKARM asset, Karma donors will also receive their giveaway, nhzKARM will pay weekly dividends, weekly to your KARMA account on the first month; on the 2nd-4th month, pay out will be every 2 weeks; on the 5th to 6th month pay out will be paid every 30th of the month; on the 7th month onwards pay out will be paid every 3 months, on the 30th of the 3rd month. Dividend period will start after 1 week of IPO announcement on Bitcointalk and NHZ forums. 920,000 nhzKARM assets is eligible for 1% of nhzKARM profits.

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This asset represents 100% of the fees generated by the different HZx assets. Payouts are processed weekly. Visit the official Horizon forum or join HZxchange on facebook for more information

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This asset provides investors a share of a large, private mining operation. Asset shareholders can expect a weekly profit payout of the BTC income (converted to HZ for payouts). The funds will be managed to provide an efficient system of reinvestment and profit payouts, so that the operation can steadily grow, without sacrificing shareholders' ROI time frame. Detailed info can be found in the official thread: http://nhzcrypto.org/threads/hz-mint-new-asset-on-horizon-asset-exchange.795/

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This is a 500 MH/s Mining Operations Asset. The Asset will Constist of 500.000 Parts each Part is equal to 1Kh/s mining Power. The Mining Income will be distributed weekly. The Income from the Mininig Operation will be paid as follow: 5% Asset Operation and handling Cost will be deducted from weekly Income. 30% will be reinvested to keep up with the Diff. 65% will be paid in NHZ to the Asset Holder. Sunday is the Payday for Asset Income. Assets will be automaticaly Distributed via Dividens+ Thread for Questions: http://nhzcrypto.org/threads/horizon-mining-500-mh-s-scrypt-asset-weekly-payouts.790/ The Mining Operations will be run for 12 Month. Disclaimer: Cryto Currencys and Asset Trading in General are a risky Business. Don't

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NHZ NxtHorizonCrypto Group Asset This asset will be given out amongst the NHZ community and NHZ NxtHorizonCrypto Group! Total quantity of 100,000,000 with 90% given out to members and 10% kept in the NHZ Group wallet! These asset shares have no limits and are virtually worth the value we attach to them! Happy trading!!

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Adult club, high return. Every week at least 10%

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1,000,000 Shares off this asset is sold! 1,000,000 shares of this assets holds 100% lifetime profit of a cloud hashing account! Every 10,000 shares is 1%. Shareholders will be paid dividends to their btc account! Daily profit will be accumulated and paid bi-weekly for the lifetime of the hashing account. After purchasing this share, please send asset issuer your btc address for dividend payments.

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This asset will not pay dividends. It will contain portions of other top assets that I find to be suitable for LONG TERM investment. Among them, top performing NHZ assets, NXT assets and non-NXT assets.

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NHZCryptolizations join now
(no description but 50 trades!)

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This is the official DACx LTS asset, representing Lottoshares. To deposit, get the LTS address connected to your NHZ account at our website. To withdraw, transfer your assets to the issuer and add your withdrawal address to the comment field. Always check the asset and the issuer ID before trading, there may be copycat assets! Visit the website for more information - http://dacx.nhzcrypto.org

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Welcome to the official Anomalous Event 2014 FIFA World Cup Betting Pool! Purchasing shares of this asset represents a bet that Germany will win the final match of the 2014 FIFA World Cup. Betting Pool Mechanics: At the conclusion of the final match on July 13, 2014, the asset issuer will cancel all open ask orders for the winning team. Then, using 90% of the total revenue from bets, the issuer will buy back all outstanding shares of the winning team. This means that if Germany wins, Germany shareholders will be paid 90% of the bet revenue proportionally to their holdings. To make things a little more fun, the first shares are much cheaper than shares in the future. Early bets are risky, but they offer more reward! Forum Announcement: http://forum.nhzcrypto.org/index.php?topic=167.0 Escrow Account: NHZ-QFAM-CDPP-4SYF-BXUST Check your local gambling regulations. If you are not sure if participation is legal where you live, please consult a lawyer.


source is https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=assets
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How to launch an asset?

Which are the most important sites to register a new asset with?

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May I recommend Opal's colored coins

Thx. Interesting. Just looked over the ANN: "Colored Coins. Assets on the blockchain."

Where can I find a list of Opal assets, trading volume, etc.?  

Thx!



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NXT seems to be the platform. Wrong? True?

It's the most established, but HZ is the up-and-comer.
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NXT is really THE platform for assets!
NAS is dead
at msc/xcp i wasnt able to fetch the data right now. didnt had time for it thats why its zero

Thx xchris! Thanks for your answer.

And thanks a lot for your superb website, I am using it often. Very valuable addition to our world!

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NXT is really THE platform for assets!
NAS is dead
at msc/xcp i wasnt able to fetch the data right now. didnt had time for it thats why its zero
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I have just found another data source about asset platforms ... coinmarketcap.com
Small total number of assets (only 51), but XCP & MSC assets data, and new platforms (BitShares, NuBits).


Here's my analysis-by-platform:

coinmarketcap.com/assets_all________Mastercoin(Omni)_BitShares______Nxt__________Counterparty__NuBits_______Horizon____
$-Volume24:__________5822827032192706977387610730
count:_______________513535611
count if nonzero vol:___392525610

With a $ conversion rate of $ 281.12 / BTC.


Remarks:
* The 4 of the 5 BitShares have quite some volume, but they don't look as if I can emit my own asset - true?
* The only 1 MSC asset really is MaidSafeCoin (Tether & Apicoin are only 31$ volume).
* Of the 6 counterparty assets, only Storjcoin X has considerable volume.
* NuShares has only NuBits mentioned.
* Horizon has only NHZSPHERE mentioned but with "?" volume.


So same result here ? !  

NXT seems to be the platform. Wrong? True?
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cryptoassetcharts.info (CAC) gives an overview about several asset platforms:

There I found other platforms, NAS & MSC & NFD, ... but ...

... ouch, I guess the case ("which asset platform?")  is already decided?
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Indexing 619 assets with a total 30 days volume of 1,243.11 BTC!
http://www.cryptoassetcharts.info/assets/info

... and only NXT seems to have considerable volume, is that true?


I did a tiny little bit of excel magic, and dissected that table into this comparison:

__cryptoassetcharts.info___all________NXT______NHZ_____Counterparty__NAS____
Volume30d(BTC):1243.21234.98.20.00.0
Count:6194771052314
Count If non-zero Vol:136129700

Is that a true picture of what is going on with cryptoassets right now?


EDIT: See below
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Which other assets do you know
which have done something similar
to what I am planning to do?

I would like to study examples.
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Thx!

Yes, I already thought HZ to be the most active platform right now - in terms of current development.
However, the total market volume (i.e. liquidity) of NXT assets is much much higher - right?

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I am selling 15% of ALL FUTURE PROFITS with my software "AltSheets Altfolio" (*)

Idea: What if I split into two or three assets? i.e.:

5% as a HZ asset,
5% as a NXT asset,
5% in a new and emerging asset platform (e.g. XAI ?)

That would balance risks & chances. But is that overkill perhaps?

What do you think?

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It will be an asset, not a coin.

Choice of platform

criteria

* How liquid is the marketplace? How man users? How much volume?
* Which are the software solutions for automatic dividends payments?
* Are there already similar software profit assets on that platform? Which ones?

What else is important?


platforms

* hz
* counterparty
* dogeparty
* (startcoin?)
* nem
* nxt

which others?
which one is the best for my purposes?


thx.


HZ is the best choise I think.
theres more action will be done
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