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Topic: [ANN]ARIZN TOKENIZED CROWDFUNDING $2M PRIVATE SALE SOLD OUT - page 8. (Read 7580 times)

newbie
Activity: 126
Merit: 0
Website is very good now, https://arizn.network/

it looks better and work faster now.

39 days - 05 hours - 27 minutes still remain until ICO ends.

I noticed that too, Thanks for the update, Arizn crowdfunding project has good reputation,I believe on that,that's why they already raised $2 million as their project funds. They raised that amount because investors already know that Arizn project was good and become successful crowdfunding platform.

Thanks for the update,im very satisfied on the development of arizn I’ve been monitoring their progress and it seems that they are in the right path,besides they already sold $2 million dollars in their private sale thats one great thing I’ve notice since the first time I saw this project i hope they succeed.
Well, I think the ARIZN team just want to surprise us about the new face of their website. It is true that the website is faster and more professional looking I guess. It is more user-friendly than before so I think ARIZN is ready for the launch of the platform. We will just continue supporting the project and encourage all investors to join us on our success.

It was a long wait for them to up and finish the website,
there are too many investors who attempted investing in the project and didn't get in because of the issues before.
I hope those people will back and can see how great the website now and how convenient to send investment now.

Is it ok now? I hope the maintenance is over already because I am waiting for their announcement last week and until now, I don't recieve any information. I took several days to go at their website but I failed so I stopped it. I think I will proceed when they have proper announcement about their website.
Just wait sir! Everything will be settled by arizn. I know that many investors are waiting for their website and I think 1 day is enough just to be backed their website in work. I hope also that they will make any announcement regarding with the development of their site so that an investors like will not upset to arizn. I think if this problem will continuously go, many people will become mad in arizn.
Yes, I agree! Investors and supporters are skeptical and cautious that is why they do a close monitoring on what they see is a good or potential project to invest with. Perhaps an announcement should have been made so they won't get disappointed and being left wondering  what's going-on with its website. But basing on Arizn's success history in their projects, I guess, they will not risk their reputation just like that. Let's give Arizn sometime as they work on developing their website, I'm sure they'll be back in no time for their supporters and investors.
True and if they already back on the track for sure their website is better than before, this will benefit both supporters and investors of Arizn platform... The newer version is always the good ones, i hope the updates have a great results...
newbie
Activity: 62
Merit: 0
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
Yes. Agree with you. Buyback will guarantee investors more security and i believe all ICOs must have this or must do this. Imagine there’s a lot of successful ICOs out there but then some of their tokens loses value and some values drop lower than the ICO price so investors instead of earning they are losing. With buyback, may not earn but at least they are recovering the money they’ve taken out for the tokens.

      I believe more investors will have more interest for this Crowdfunding poject because of buyback. Investors wants to invest in secured and has a future kind of project that they can earn a lot of profit and of course they want to assured that they will not loss their money on investing. Arizn did a great strategy to convince investors not just to give them profit for short term but also for long term  investment. Also it makes the Arizn crowdfunding project successfull.
Yes buyback will give the investors more security to their funds, It will give the guarantee for the tokens or for the ICO to have its value in the future, and besides crowdfunding is one of the most exclusive way of a treating your funds right and to have a securely platform that will also help the young investors and developers to start their project in time and have a high success rate on it.
member
Activity: 1041
Merit: 25
Trident Protocol | Simple «buy-hold-earn» system!
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
Yes. Agree with you. Buyback will guarantee investors more security and i believe all ICOs must have this or must do this. Imagine there’s a lot of successful ICOs out there but then some of their tokens loses value and some values drop lower than the ICO price so investors instead of earning they are losing. With buyback, may not earn but at least they are recovering the money they’ve taken out for the tokens.

      I believe more investors will have more interest for this Crowdfunding poject because of buyback. Investors wants to invest in secured and has a future kind of project that they can earn a lot of profit and of course they want to assured that they will not loss their money on investing. Arizn did a great strategy to convince investors not just to give them profit for short term but also for long term  investment. Also it makes the Arizn crowdfunding project successfull.
newbie
Activity: 16
Merit: 0
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
well this is interesting, ARIZN already sold a whopping $4 million dollars now hitting their hard cap will not be a problem they already gained so many investors and supporters to reach their hard cap their supporters just need to spread the word.by the way, the buy back idea is pretty clever i hope this project reach the hard so that many could benefit with this project.

How much is their target Hard Cap? We can say that most of the budget will go to the Development of the project and the next is for the marketing, sales, merchant acquisition and partnership. This shows that there will really be money in marketing ARIZN.
jr. member
Activity: 44
Merit: 1
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
well this is interesting, ARIZN already sold a whopping $4 million dollars now hitting their hard cap will not be a problem they already gained so many investors and supporters to reach their hard cap their supporters just need to spread the word.by the way, the buy back idea is pretty clever i hope this project reach the hard so that many could benefit with this project.
newbie
Activity: 168
Merit: 0
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
Yes. Agree with you. Buyback will guarantee investors more security and i believe all ICOs must have this or must do this. Imagine there’s a lot of successful ICOs out there but then some of their tokens loses value and some values drop lower than the ICO price so investors instead of earning they are losing. With buyback, may not earn but at least they are recovering the money they’ve taken out for the tokens.
That is a brilliant idea on my opinion. Well, the important thing well just for the meantime though is that, they will.not.loose what they have invested. It is a consolation for the investors that although they haven't earn but they can still get back what they have invested. That is really fsit enough, but with this thing, i believe, investors will be more interested. Go, Arizn, i know you will soon be operating your tokenized crowdfunding.
full member
Activity: 392
Merit: 123
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
Yes. Agree with you. Buyback will guarantee investors more security and i believe all ICOs must have this or must do this. Imagine there’s a lot of successful ICOs out there but then some of their tokens loses value and some values drop lower than the ICO price so investors instead of earning they are losing. With buyback, may not earn but at least they are recovering the money they’ve taken out for the tokens.
newbie
Activity: 133
Merit: 0
https://arizn.network/

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they are down again, this is not healthy for the ICO...

Yes, they should have a stable website hosting and a good  website technical support so that their system will not be down at all times. There server should also be able to accommodate many users. We are talking of handling finances or funds coming from different people here and they can't even maintain their website. Well I hope they can improve this.
I must agree with you. The availability and stability of a website is really a  must for a good project and company like ARIZN. We are glad that their website is already up and running. The good thing about this is that it is much better than before and ready for the launch. I guess they have just fixed some things on the website to prepare it for the launch.
member
Activity: 252
Merit: 10
Token-sale going on in good direction even bear market too this project getting nice attention from investors I hope in the end the team will get succeed to raise huge funds to make the development process much faster.

Yeah, I think so, Arizn already collected > 2 million dollars. That means many investors believe this project is a good choice for investment. I think the team will have enough funds to develop the project. Let's wait for the good news

The team has already collected more than 4 millions USD on their ICO...

but in August 17, 2018 the team wrote this to their telegram...

Those are equivalent calculators. We have disabled them.
We have made no secret of the fact that we have raised 0 crypto.
With this in mind we have a big announcement coming up. Stay tuned.

They have huge announcement? Hopefully, it is good in our community. I know that they reach their soft cap because of private sale and not in terms of crypto, but as of now they collected an amount of 4M dollars and counting. Therefore, they have already gained cryptocurrency from the crypto investors. How it will add up if there is no portal of the investment. Better to reconstruct first the website so that, we can access in arizn.


Wow that's a great news if, actually the Arizn project had reached softcap. so like what other said this project can be successful just wait for a minute until the sale will complete. for us to see the progress of this project.
member
Activity: 252
Merit: 10
Website is very good now, https://arizn.network/

it looks better and work faster now.

39 days - 05 hours - 27 minutes still remain until ICO ends.

I noticed that too, Thanks for the update, Arizn crowdfunding project has good reputation,I believe on that,that's why they already raised $2 million as their project funds. They raised that amount because investors already know that Arizn project was good and become successful crowdfunding platform.

Thanks for the update,im very satisfied on the development of arizn I’ve been monitoring their progress and it seems that they are in the right path,besides they already sold $2 million dollars in their private sale thats one great thing I’ve notice since the first time I saw this project i hope they succeed.
Well, I think the ARIZN team just want to surprise us about the new face of their website. It is true that the website is faster and more professional looking I guess. It is more user-friendly than before so I think ARIZN is ready for the launch of the platform. We will just continue supporting the project and encourage all investors to join us on our success.

It was a long wait for them to up and finish the website,
there are too many investors who attempted investing in the project and didn't get in because of the issues before.
I hope those people will back and can see how great the website now and how convenient to send investment now.

Is it ok now? I hope the maintenance is over already because I am waiting for their announcement last week and until now, I don't recieve any information. I took several days to go at their website but I failed so I stopped it. I think I will proceed when they have proper announcement about their website.


that's right, but also it is nice if this project have more supporters in that ways the investors will encourage and if they encourage there is the big chance that they will join in this project.
member
Activity: 252
Merit: 10
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
I think its possible to reach the hardcap because many potenial investor  here will be  partnership of arizn so that the success of this project will be achieve,therefore  I would like also share to my friend who does also potenial to invest at Arizn project.


It is looks amazing, if the hardcap will hit more, there is the big chance that the all investors will success and the chance that they can be achieve their wanted. I hope the success of this project.
newbie
Activity: 115
Merit: 0
Token-sale going on in good direction even bear market too this project getting nice attention from investors I hope in the end the team will get succeed to raise huge funds to make the development process much faster.

Yeah, I think so, Arizn already collected > 2 million dollars. That means many investors believe this project is a good choice for investment. I think the team will have enough funds to develop the project. Let's wait for the good news
thats right, we all know that arizn had sold over a whopping $2 million dollars in their private sale which is great for the development of the project.as of now they are still having an ICO which can help make the development of arizn much more better.

I love Tuna belly. Anyway, the ICO of ARIZN is more likely to be successful with the initial 2 Million dollars that is already a great help to start their platform. I believe that they will not need to spend that much on a digital crowdfunding platform to succeed.

   ICO of Arizn crowdfunding is still on going but they already raised $2 million from their private sale. It means the flow of this project is really great.  Arizn still attracting investors to invest on their crowdfunding platform not only for the sake of the project and investors but also for the development of this project to become more useful in funding small businesses.
Your right, there are lot of investors now who attracted to invest as they read and know how this project flow, even a small businesses have a chance to be success on their part once they try the crowdfunding platform through the blockchain technology.
newbie
Activity: 56
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I found the project very good. There are many people interested because the content is very interesting and attract the viewer. I think this project of the team will succeed. I will follow the project. Good luck and work well
newbie
Activity: 140
Merit: 0
Website is very good now, https://arizn.network/

it looks better and work faster now.

39 days - 05 hours - 27 minutes still remain until ICO ends.

I noticed that too, Thanks for the update, Arizn crowdfunding project has good reputation,I believe on that,that's why they already raised $2 million as their project funds. They raised that amount because investors already know that Arizn project was good and become successful crowdfunding platform.

Thanks for the update,im very satisfied on the development of arizn I’ve been monitoring their progress and it seems that they are in the right path,besides they already sold $2 million dollars in their private sale thats one great thing I’ve notice since the first time I saw this project i hope they succeed.
Well, I think the ARIZN team just want to surprise us about the new face of their website. It is true that the website is faster and more professional looking I guess. It is more user-friendly than before so I think ARIZN is ready for the launch of the platform. We will just continue supporting the project and encourage all investors to join us on our success.

It was a long wait for them to up and finish the website,
there are too many investors who attempted investing in the project and didn't get in because of the issues before.
I hope those people will back and can see how great the website now and how convenient to send investment now.

Is it ok now? I hope the maintenance is over already because I am waiting for their announcement last week and until now, I don't recieve any information. I took several days to go at their website but I failed so I stopped it. I think I will proceed when they have proper announcement about their website.
Just wait sir! Everything will be settled by arizn. I know that many investors are waiting for their website and I think 1 day is enough just to be backed their website in work. I hope also that they will make any announcement regarding with the development of their site so that an investors like will not upset to arizn. I think if this problem will continuously go, many people will become mad in arizn.
Yes, I agree! Investors and supporters are skeptical and cautious that is why they do a close monitoring on what they see is a good or potential project to invest with. Perhaps an announcement should have been made so they won't get disappointed and being left wondering  what's going-on with its website. But basing on Arizn's success history in their projects, I guess, they will not risk their reputation just like that. Let's give Arizn sometime as they work on developing their website, I'm sure they'll be back in no time for their supporters and investors.
newbie
Activity: 112
Merit: 0
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
I think its possible to reach the hardcap because many potenial investor  here will be  partnership of arizn so that the success of this project will be achieve,therefore  I would like also share to my friend who does also potenial to invest at Arizn project.
jr. member
Activity: 140
Merit: 1
I can see no one from the team in this thread attending people’s queries and posting updates, i just hope the team are not ghost just like most of the scam ICOs out there. Its not easy to trust ICOs nowadays, sometimes your would spot the difference between the legit and the fake. Sometimes the fakes are acting too good to convince investors they are legit.

Lovelybitz, where are you? I've thought that he will moderate also this thead. Besides there are many supporters like you that can also help the team to promote and answer some querries about the project. You wear their signature, probably you know something about it. A supporter like you should be updated in the project and of course, you know what the backbone of Arizn already.

Hello good day to Gracechen17 and Lazeta, my apology if I late replied to your queries. Now regarding about posting updates in this thread

section, actually most of the updates of this project of Arizn all can be found at their telegram https://t.me/CryptowingzBountyGroup or

https://t.me/ariznnetwork and all of your concerns about this project you can ask everything in the telegram as well also their latest update too.

Thank you and have a good day Smiley
Nice working moderator! Hope that every question and suggestions here will be answered by any of your team. This project is really nice and I think cooperation of team members are important for the project to reach its goal. There are many things to be developed in arizn and I think it should be reposted here when updates will because most of the investors are looking in ANN thread rather than in social media site.
It sounds too good to be true. Any investment that sounds too good to be true probably is.
Compare any promised return with the returns on well-known stock indexes. Any investment
opportunity that claims you’ll receive substantially more than that could be highly risky –
or be an outright fraud.
member
Activity: 546
Merit: 24
Token-sale going on in good direction even bear market too this project getting nice attention from investors I hope in the end the team will get succeed to raise huge funds to make the development process much faster.

Yeah, I think so, Arizn already collected > 2 million dollars. That means many investors believe this project is a good choice for investment. I think the team will have enough funds to develop the project. Let's wait for the good news

The team has already collected more than 4 millions USD on their ICO...

but in August 17, 2018 the team wrote this to their telegram...

Those are equivalent calculators. We have disabled them.
We have made no secret of the fact that we have raised 0 crypto.
With this in mind we have a big announcement coming up. Stay tuned.

They have huge announcement? Hopefully, it is good in our community. I know that they reach their soft cap because of private sale and not in terms of crypto, but as of now they collected an amount of 4M dollars and counting. Therefore, they have already gained cryptocurrency from the crypto investors. How it will add up if there is no portal of the investment. Better to reconstruct first the website so that, we can access in arizn.
newbie
Activity: 266
Merit: 0
Website is very good now, https://arizn.network/

it looks better and work faster now.

39 days - 05 hours - 27 minutes still remain until ICO ends.

I noticed that too, Thanks for the update, Arizn crowdfunding project has good reputation,I believe on that,that's why they already raised $2 million as their project funds. They raised that amount because investors already know that Arizn project was good and become successful crowdfunding platform.

Thanks for the update,im very satisfied on the development of arizn I’ve been monitoring their progress and it seems that they are in the right path,besides they already sold $2 million dollars in their private sale thats one great thing I’ve notice since the first time I saw this project i hope they succeed.
Well, I think the ARIZN team just want to surprise us about the new face of their website. It is true that the website is faster and more professional looking I guess. It is more user-friendly than before so I think ARIZN is ready for the launch of the platform. We will just continue supporting the project and encourage all investors to join us on our success.

It was a long wait for them to up and finish the website,
there are too many investors who attempted investing in the project and didn't get in because of the issues before.
I hope those people will back and can see how great the website now and how convenient to send investment now.

Is it ok now? I hope the maintenance is over already because I am waiting for their announcement last week and until now, I don't recieve any information. I took several days to go at their website but I failed so I stopped it. I think I will proceed when they have proper announcement about their website.
Just wait sir! Everything will be settled by arizn. I know that many investors are waiting for their website and I think 1 day is enough just to be backed their website in work. I hope also that they will make any announcement regarding with the development of their site so that an investors like will not upset to arizn. I think if this problem will continuously go, many people will become mad in arizn.
member
Activity: 560
Merit: 13
Website is very good now, https://arizn.network/

it looks better and work faster now.

39 days - 05 hours - 27 minutes still remain until ICO ends.

I noticed that too, Thanks for the update, Arizn crowdfunding project has good reputation,I believe on that,that's why they already raised $2 million as their project funds. They raised that amount because investors already know that Arizn project was good and become successful crowdfunding platform.

Thanks for the update,im very satisfied on the development of arizn I’ve been monitoring their progress and it seems that they are in the right path,besides they already sold $2 million dollars in their private sale thats one great thing I’ve notice since the first time I saw this project i hope they succeed.
Well, I think the ARIZN team just want to surprise us about the new face of their website. It is true that the website is faster and more professional looking I guess. It is more user-friendly than before so I think ARIZN is ready for the launch of the platform. We will just continue supporting the project and encourage all investors to join us on our success.

It was a long wait for them to up and finish the website,
there are too many investors who attempted investing in the project and didn't get in because of the issues before.
I hope those people will back and can see how great the website now and how convenient to send investment now.

Is it ok now? I hope the maintenance is over already because I am waiting for their announcement last week and until now, I don't recieve any information. I took several days to go at their website but I failed so I stopped it. I think I will proceed when they have proper announcement about their website.
newbie
Activity: 126
Merit: 0
Hardcap Allocation
27% Product Development
19% Marketing, sales, merchant acquisition & partnerships
12% Operations
6% Business Development
10% Management
6% External Legal
20% Buyback Rounds and Exchange liquidity

Their plan to buy back to gain the price they want before the year ends is a great thing for investors and holders.

I think that buyback will help the ICO price will retain. There is an ICO I have joined that make this trick after they have gone their token sale. It helps for the price also to grow in the exchange where the coin is listed. Hopefully, arizn will reach the hardcap so that there is a buy back of tokens. But I think is is possible for arizn because this project has huge participants.
You mean when Arizn platform reach the hard cap that's only the time they'll have buy back round? This is something really important for everyone of us here, supporters and investors need it so much... I hope arizn will hit the hard cap so everyone will have the success they wanted...
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