Topic: [ANN]BitcoinPlus (XBC) / MANDATORY WALLET UPDATE / BIT-ADOPTION! - page 15. (Read 169673 times)

Am i the only one who would like to find seriouscoin and put his head under water for couple of minutes ?? lol

No coin-swap please. There are no other options then XBC BitcoinPlus. The name, interest, smal number, history, etc etc. XBC till death, Hope thats not soon.

Coinerz Thanks for the good job btw

Honestly think it's sort of silly to run away from this thread because someone is complaining. Actually I'm sort of amazed the response hasn't been worse. I've seen more fud/trolls/complaining in coin threads where everything was rock solid as far as dev teams go. So this is really nothing so far.

This is the part I disagree with. I don't see a whole lot of people willing to donate or buy new coins (essentially an ipo), right after losing a ton on XBC ... UNLESS they were also getting a coin swap. I mean, pretend you weren't part of the team, just a regular investor. Why would you want to give donations or be especially interested in paying even more btc, for yet another coin by whomever is remaining from the XBC team?

I think if you go the new coin route, a coin swap has to be included, or some giveaway... or something. It doesn't have to be a 1:1 swap, as if it was, there would be no extra funds at all. A partial swap could work. Otherwise I don't think any XBC people will care at all about this new coin. In my opinion, whatever coin you come up with won't be entirely separate from XBC/DCM regardless, as it'll simply be known as that 'new coin made by ex-XBC members'. Your choice is if you want that new coin to be thought of as yet another way to make money, or as a way to help those who lost money/were scammed.

You want the last two dev members to go away?

Unfortunately, Seriouscoins controls the xbcplus.com domain and despite a ridiculous number of attempts to contact him, it's been radio silence. This means that I am unable to change the DNS settings to the new server which I control.

To make matters even more complicated, I am unable to access the old site via FTP any more.


Essentially Mindfox took on the job of fixing the XBC wallet and he performed this task admirably. He never expected that two months later, he would be left 'holding the baby'.


I was speaking with Mindfox a couple of days ago and found out that Seriouscoins only paid him 0.25BTC for all the work he did. I have no idea what happened to the rest of the BTC that Seriouscoins was holding in order to relaunch the wallet, but I personally donated either 0.5 or 0.6 BTC and quite a few more people donated too.

He is understandably pissed off that Seriouscoins and others have disappeared into the ether and unless significant funds can be found, there will be no future development.



Unfortunately when Jiapetz messaged me on Skype, I was in a meeting (There's a big time difference between us as I'm in the UK). I tried messaging Jia about 30 minutes ago, but we keep missing each other. Hopefully we will be able to touch base in the next few hours (although it's already past 8pm in the UK).


Unfortunately, raising another team is easier said than done and it certainly couldn't be done in the way it was previously where Seriouscoins became team leader by default, despite any evidence of the ability to manage a project on this scale. Other people seemed to come and go as they pleased and it became clear to me very quickly that some of the team were entirely unsuitable or just plain out of their depth.

Out of everyone on the team, only Mindfox and Jiapetz actually walked the walk instead of talking the talk. Personally speaking, I did the following (all unpaid):

• Created several XBC promo videos
• Created the XBC forum site
• Redesigned the XBC subreddit
• Created the new (unlaunched XBC website)
• Created a range of XBC merchandise (keyrings, mirrors, bottle openers etc...)
• Got a major theatre show sponsored by XBC
• Created lots of XBC graphics

I can assure you that this will be a false positive. The date of the modification corresponds with Mindfox's upload to Github. There is 100% definitely NOT a virus in the XBC wallet.


The way I see it, there are two different options, one being significantly more viable than the other.

• We raise significant funds to relaunch XBC for a third time with a brand new dev team with a proper structure and the ability to pay Mindfox for his work. However the downside to this would be the fact that the FUD on XBC is now so great that I can't see it becoming a success.
• Everyone cuts their losses and sells their holdings in what is essentially now a dead project. The funds could then be moved into a dedicated BTC wallet and we could use this to pay Mindfox to develop a new coin from the XBC codebase. This would give people a small opportunity to recoup money that has been lost. A small and tight team would be created along the same veins as the excellent Vericoin - ie everyone is accountable by using their real names and everyone has defined roles.

Anyway, I'll leave people to ponder the implications of the above two choices. Constructive comments would be appreciated from hereon in - fud/gloating etc... is unproductive at this point and should be ignored.

Yeah, if you can't gather up a new team, any talk about new coins, swaps, or whatever, is meaningless. But I'm not sure you'd really need a lot of new members really, would you? What did Serious do anyway? If you, Japetz and Mindfox ran your own coin, how many more members would you need? Or is it a situation where nobody remaining wants to be part of a new coin, so you'd need an entirely new team and new coder? I can't say I'd blame anyone for leaving at this point.

And how much is Mindfox owed from his past work, and how much would it require to start a new coin?

If it's a ton, donations or whatever won't really work. If Mindfox wants to take a larger role, the ipo suggestion could in theory work. Again, with a coin swap being part of the deal. People may be willing to donate to Mindfox and/or buy a small amount of ipo coins, if they knew you'd swap their xbc for this new coin. But even then, I wouldn't expect a whole lot.

Pity that hardworking, trustworthy professionals like Mindfox get screwed over.
Lazy opportunists walk away with his pay.
To think that I even send a contribution to the wallet dev fund...
If at some point there will be a compensation fund for Mindfox I will chip in.

The fact that XBCplus and Serious amended so quickly and easily was an early sign, as well as the launch of LTCplus.

It'd need to be an entirely new coin. But if there is no coin swap, why would anyone here even care about it? Nobody would care about a new coin made using the same XBC codebase, if they weren't getting something out of it. So whatever is done, it may not be 100% entirely separate from XBC or DCM, as if it is, why would any XBC/DCM person care? The whole point would be to sort of recover what you can from this whole debacle.

People could either:

Sell their XBC at most likely an enormous loss

Or if a new coin was created with a swap in mind, simply swapover coins (ideally have an exchange handle it), with a new team in place. Funding could be done via the team's meager (I guess super meager) holdings, donations and if an ipo is held.

I'm not saying it's a great idea. Just that it's an idea. Not sure what else to even try or suggest.

Temporary Wallet Download - Windows https://db.tt/QQFm5QL2

Even if it's a false positive google won't allow the dl.

Then what is your non-OUTRAGEOUS suggestion?

That would be the route I'd go with. I suggested a coin swap earlier, and think people may go for that a bit more (DCM people too). Funding for the new coin could be either from existing team's funds from selling XBC (however meager they may be) + if you convinced Polo to run an ipo under their new ICD rules. These rules state that no funds will go to devs unless they are used for what they say they will, and supposedly they will keep strict bookkeeping.

Of course I expect only a tiny portion of people willing to invest in yet another ipo, but even if it does okay-ish, it should be enough to pay Mindfox. Instead of doing the destroyed coin thing, provide a proportional coin swap with existing holders of XBC + DCM. That way they won't take a total loss. At current prices, anyone selling XBC or DCM is getting killed.

A new coin gets around the issue of locked domains/ftp and the negative connotations with DCM/XBC. Of course all that MP voting would have gone to waste, but a dead coin getting listed probably won't do that great anyway.

I really wondered about that part too. It didn't make sense, as even scammers would normally wait until the MP pump, then vanish.

But the timing goes well with DCM. Two devs received 22btc, so they may have figured they'd call it a day and pack it in then. There were also several mini-pumps occurring with XBC previously, when XBC moved into the top 10 list for voting. So there was plenty of time for the devs to unload their coins at a much higher price than it is now. It's not necessarily an optimal way to go about it, but I'm sure they made their money.

Now if they wait a few days, and then make a miraculous return, while scooping up dirt cheap coins, they probably could profit a bit more even. I don't think that will happen, but if I put my evil thinking cap on, that would be one way to go.

It's sad but appears XBC was a scam at the beggining (dev abandoned with IPO coins if I remember right) and then these kids taken the project and went for vacation.

Any more childish team  wants to pee on that coin?   

I think with a great plan, this coin should be taken over and it will go back up where it was a month ago.

Yep it doesn't make sense for the devs to abandon now.  Why would they not wait until until MP?  They'd have made more profit that way.

you and me both.  I thought we had such momentum going

Reddcoin is catching up...

If you guys haven't noticed.

The "devs" of Bitcoinplus abandoned the coin and installed a virus in the Bitcoinplus wallet.