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Topic: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000 - page 599. (Read 2171065 times)

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guys im a big supporter of this coin and hold a few but 99% of this thread is just mining/techsupport.We need a new thread for development and PR.this thread is just endless pages of tech support to new investors Embarrassed

we have our own thread on PR here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/burstcoin-pr-discussion-thread-825644
and also look at burstforum.com we got bunch of PR thread too
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guys im a big supporter of this coin and hold a few but 99% of this thread is just mining/techsupport.We need a new thread for development and PR.this thread is just endless pages of tech support to new investors Embarrassed

Current price clearly tell us PR is missing. I am not sure what will happen to price when block reward got cut further and PR came on board later on.

Perhaps there is a PR team waiting for block reward to drop further before any actions.

Meaning now could be distribution , accumulation period
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guys im a big supporter of this coin and hold a few but 99% of this thread is just mining/techsupport.We need a new thread for development and PR.this thread is just endless pages of tech support to new investors Embarrassed
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I am trying to setup my miner, but my pc cant detect java.

What do I do?
Its installed, and I rebooted the PC so it should be ok, but it does not work.

Does anyone have a fix or can you help me set up my miner?

You only need java for the burst server, for mining and plotting there are other options.

Make sure you downloaded the correct java version (7 iirc).
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I am trying to setup my miner, but my pc cant detect java.

What do I do?
Its installed, and I rebooted the PC so it should be ok, but it does not work.

Does anyone have a fix or can you help me set up my miner?
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which is diffcult to achieve, because burst use 4098 round of hashing

Burst uses far more than 4098 rounds. 1 shabal256 hash is 32 bytes. The generated plot is 262144 bytes, made up of 8192 hashes, plus the one which is xored, so there are 8193 shabal256 hashes done. Each round of shabal uses 64 bytes of data, and if the data processed is a multiple of 64 bytes it does an extra round. Most of the hashing is done on 4096 bytes of data, so about 65 rounds per hash, so somewhere around 8193 * 65 would be about 532545 rounds.

ok, 48413 times more secure than X11 !
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the blago miner support dev2 pool?
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which is diffcult to achieve, because burst use 4098 round of hashing

Burst uses far more than 4098 rounds. 1 shabal256 hash is 32 bytes. The generated plot is 262144 bytes, made up of 8192 hashes, plus the one which is xored, so there are 8193 shabal256 hashes done. Each round of shabal uses 64 bytes of data, and if the data processed is a multiple of 64 bytes it does an extra round. Most of the hashing is done on 4096 bytes of data, so about 65 rounds per hash, so somewhere around 8193 * 65 would be about 532545 rounds.
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1TB of plots are equivalent to 1 000 000 nonces per minute. So real-time plotting for mining is useless (with current software and speed).

wrong, its 4*1024*1024 , 1 nonce = 256KB (0.25MB)
if you can hash burst algo by 4.19 MH/s , its equal to 1TB of disk capacity
which is diffcult to achieve, because burst use 4098 round of hashing, compared that to X11 algo, which use 11 round, burst in term of hashing complexity is 372 times more secure than darkcoin!
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Someone want to check my calculations?

I'm calculating that assuming Bitcoin gets 280,000,000 GH/s, then assuming it uses the most energy and cost efficient miner I could find, then it costs $2 per GH and uses 0.5W/GH.

This means that the cost to buy the equipment to power the network is $560,000,000.
Also, the Bitcoin network uses 0.5 W per GH.  In other words 280,000,000 * 0.5 = 140,000,000 W


Now I went with the most energy efficient drive after quickly looking around, I found this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/4tb-3tb-hdd,3183-15.html

The HITACHI Deskstar 5K4000:  http://www.amazon.com/HITACHI-0F14697-Deskstar-5K4000-INTERNAL/dp/B00B6TMG7O

This costs you $130 for 4TB.  So $560,000,000 will buy you ~4,300,000 4TB drives.

4,300,000 drives at 6W per drive gets you 25,800,000 W

Or in other words, ~4 times more energy efficient than Bitcoin..  which is nice but considering how much cheaper it is to forge for Nxt than mine for Bitcoin.. maybe not as much potential as I initially was thinking.  Especially if new Bitcoin mining equipment truly runs at 0.19 W instead of 0.5 W as used for the above calculation.. at which it's maybe half as energy efficient as Bitcoin.

See here: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/08/15/german-startup-says-its-new-chip-halves-bitcoin-mining-energy/

So this would use half as much energy as a similarly sized Bitcoin network.

Here is my much longer analysis of the Nxt network: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J8uhdshu9epGRrQHBaloGc4itdvuAHZDAUtNDjOhz-8/edit?usp=sharing

It's still a cool idea and hard drives are more reusable though..  idk.  I'll probably still buy a little but it's not as exciting as I was initially thinking unless he can figure out a way to use that data to store something instead of simply mine with it.


Btw, FakeAccount, you may want to read this article on RAM optimizers:
http://www.howtogeek.com/171424/why-memory-optimizers-and-ram-boosters-are-worse-than-useless/

Mining using user-submitted data would not work well. Miners would likely submit files made of deterministically generated data they could re-create when needed, and use those to mine with, turning it into POW. I noticed you linked the Permacoin paper a few pages back, which only gets around this problem by using a central authority to decide which files are able to be mined with.

Where this is more efficient, is for people mining with existing hardware they're also using for other purposes. The difference in power between 'normal usage' of a computer, and 'normal usage' + mining would be a much more interesting comparison.

i think the real question it is highlighted above!!!
this is the real difference between PoW and PoC...
and obviously, PoC is much more better!!!
 Grin Grin Grin Grin
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1TB of plots are equivalent to 1 000 000 nonces per minute. So real-time plotting for mining is useless (with current software and speed).
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I tried to generate nonces on-fly, the result is very bad 1100 nonce / min (FX6300, 6 cores), because per one scoop miner must execute 4098 Shabals.
https://github.com/Blagodarenko/miner-burst/blob/master/miner.cpp line 626

Nice! I think that is a very good thing to have, otherwise there is no proof that PoC is truly just PoC!!!

Besides, i have a much better cpu than i have hdd's, you know, help that net hash, lol, jk :/
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I tried to generate nonces on-fly, the result is very bad 1100 nonce / min (FX6300, 6 cores), because per one scoop miner must execute 4098 Shabals.
https://github.com/Blagodarenko/miner-burst/blob/master/miner.cpp line 626
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@ Blago,

Does your latest miner supports special characters in pass phrase for solo ?
If not, can you add it in the future version ?

Thanks.
Yes, support.   https://github.com/Blagodarenko/miner-burst/blob/master/miner.cpp  string #517

Oh OK that's great.
One last question, if I have say 5 rigs & all rigs are connected to the same internet connection as individual system (Not like client-server scenario),
can I mine solo with wallet running on each system & your miner running individually on each system ? or should I create client-server setup & use your latest miner with running the wallet on server (1 of the 5 rigs) & other 4 systems connected as a client to it. Thanks for your great work & prompt reply.

Yes, will work, but wallet only needs be on 1 server. Just edit nxt-default.properties
Or you can run wallet for each rigs and set
   "Mode" : "solo",
   "Server" : "127.0.0.1",
   "Port": 8125,
   "UpdaterAddr" : "127.0.0.1",
   "UpdaterPort": 8125,
   "EnableProxy": false,
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another perhaps stupid question:

What happens to the transaction Fees? In NXT the fee will spent to te people that are forging. What happens with the fee in burstcoin?

Same, the miners
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another perhaps stupid question:

What happens to the transaction Fees? In NXT the fee will spent to te people that are forging. What happens with the fee in burstcoin?
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Does this kind of mining ruin the HDD?

Am I able to delete the plotting so it will be a normal empty HDD when I dont want to mine anymore?

Please answer as fast as possible.

No, it doesn't ruin the hdd if you use a high enough stagger

Yes, you can delete plots any time, you won't lose your burst you've mined

where i can see, how many coins are minded until now?

127.0.0.1:8125/burst?requestType=getState

it's under

totalEffectiveBalanceNXT
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where i can see, how many coins are minded until now?
legendary
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Does this kind of mining ruin the HDD?

Am I able to delete the plotting so it will be a normal empty HDD when I dont want to mine anymore?

Please answer as fast as possible.
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