[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin" - page 42.

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Quote from: criptocambio on December 18, 2018, 08:37:34 AM

Quote from: tirthraj on December 18, 2018, 03:58:18 AM

whats the staking rate of this coin .
let stake example if I have deposited 100 CLAMS then how much i will get per day or week as per staking procedure..?

The difficulty now is 228801, so you need aprox. 2000 clams to stake once a day. 100 clams will get you a coin each 20 days, give or take. But the difficulty is varying wildly in the last months, ranging from 100000 to 250000

thnx for response. any online pool or staking because i can't do staking from my own system as compatibility issue.

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Quote from: criptocambio on December 24, 2018, 06:42:56 AM

Im not sure, but i think it's affecting everyone. Here is my debug.log:

SetBestChain: new best=6bb9fa2bb3c51f7526d153307d68e9acce3e00e1033e53e73f707310$
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
receive version message: version 60014, blocks=931607, us=51.158.75.80:31174, t$
stake took 10s

10 seconds to validate a block, as there is a lot of blocks that take only 1 second or less.

Looks like every block minted by just-dice is affected, as every time i receive them, they take more than 10 seconds to validate even in the ones that do not have dust output. Blocks that dont have your addresses, stake as quick as one second or less. Right now, i had put mininput=0.001 in the config file to see if this attack ceases, and hope this does not fork the network as someone can mint a block with outputs smaller than this and my node will reject it.

I saw blocks taking several seconds to validate months before and thought this was because some other software taking resources in my machine other than clam client. Also, the elevation in the difficulty from 90000-100000 to almost 200000 at some times started at the same time i saw these blocks that take a lot of time to validate. Maybe this attack is much more older than we think

Note that the "stake took 10s" is telling you how long your client took to check through your unspent outputs to see whether you had any which were ready to stake. You should be seeing those "stake took Xs" about every 16 seconds, not once per block.

Note also that you should put "logtimestamps=1" in your clam.conf so that every line of your debug,log gets timestamped.

The "mininput" thing won't fork the network. You're not rejecting any transactions, you're just ignoring some of them. They still go into your UTXO database but your wallet doesn't recognize them as belonging to you and so it won't waste time trying to stake them.

The difficulty goes up and down wildly every day due to how it is calculated. I don't think that's anything to worry too much about. How are your "stake took ..." times looking now? Are they back to where they used to be again?

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Quote from: dooglus on December 23, 2018, 03:57:57 PM

The attacker (see here) is back:

link to example spammy block

He's spamming Just-Dice with tens of thousands of tiny outputs presumably in an attempt to disrupt staking.

If you're staking CLAMs please check whether he's attacking your wallets too. You can set "mininput=0.01" in your clam.conf to tell it to ignore UTXOs worth less than 0.01 CLAMs and that pretty much defeats the attack.

Im not sure, but i think it's affecting everyone. Here is my debug.log:

SetBestChain: new best=6bb9fa2bb3c51f7526d153307d68e9acce3e00e1033e53e73f707310$
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
receive version message: version 60014, blocks=931607, us=51.158.75.80:31174, t$
stake took 10s

10 seconds to validate a block, as there is a lot of blocks that take only 1 second or less.

Looks like every block minted by just-dice is affected, as every time i receive them, they take more than 10 seconds to validate even in the ones that do not have dust output. Blocks that dont have your addresses, stake as quick as one second or less. Right now, i had put mininput=0.001 in the config file to see if this attack ceases, and hope this does not fork the network as someone can mint a block with outputs smaller than this and my node will reject it.

I saw blocks taking several seconds to validate months before and thought this was because some other software taking resources in my machine other than clam client. Also, the elevation in the difficulty from 90000-100000 to almost 200000 at some times started at the same time i saw these blocks that take a lot of time to validate. Maybe this attack is much more older than we think

dooglus

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The attacker (see here) is back:

link to example spammy block

He's spamming Just-Dice with tens of thousands of tiny outputs presumably in an attempt to disrupt staking.

If you're staking CLAMs please check whether he's attacking your wallets too. You can set "mininput=0.01" in your clam.conf to tell it to ignore UTXOs worth less than 0.01 CLAMs and that pretty much defeats the attack.

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Invest and stake CLAM at Bit-Exo.com

We do not charge any fee on stakes! You can even only stake by setting your kelly to 0.

criptocambio

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Quote from: tirthraj on December 18, 2018, 03:58:18 AM

whats the staking rate of this coin .
let stake example if I have deposited 100 CLAMS then how much i will get per day or week as per staking procedure..?

The difficulty now is 228801, so you need aprox. 2000 clams to stake once a day. 100 clams will get you a coin each 20 days, give or take. But the difficulty is varying wildly in the last months, ranging from 100000 to 250000

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Quote from: tirthraj on December 18, 2018, 03:58:18 AM

whats the staking rate of this coin .
let stake example if I have deposited 100 CLAMS then how much i will get per day or week as per staking procedure..?

Real world on Just-Dice
An invested deposit from Jan 2018 yields ~30% (29.4)

This is the 2018 bear so .... currently a whopping USD loss and a modest BTC gain.

Can't confirm the CLAM client results at this time.
Should be slightly better if you consider site commission but JD performance will also vary on the profits from house edge.

Running your own client is definitely more erratic in rewards as you might expect. Your Keys, Your Coins.

Rule of thumb used to be (a year or so ago) 1k Clams gets you a clam a day. Likely need a few more for that same return now.

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whats the staking rate of this coin .
let stake example if I have deposited 100 CLAMS then how much i will get per day or week as per staking procedure..?

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Quote from: jota17 on December 17, 2018, 06:05:01 PM

Is this project still active?

https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/tree/2.1.0

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Is this project still active?

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Had a few problems with our trade tool this morning... Still needs a little love put into it.

We'll have it all straightened out tonight hopefully.

All good again! Everything balances.

Feel free to try it out and give me feedback <3.

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on December 17, 2018, 03:04:38 AM

FreeBitcoins.com has launched our "swap" tool that allows people to trade BTC, CLAM, and DOGE between the 3 of them.

http://swap.freebitcoins.com

The max amount of coins you can buy at once will be growing over time.

Nice service! This will make it much easier for people to trade clams these days.

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FreeBitcoins.com has launched our "swap" tool that allows people to trade BTC, CLAM, and DOGE between the 3 of them.

http://swap.freebitcoins.com

The max amount of coins you can buy at once will be growing over time.

(site is functional, but we are still finding and fixing "easter eggs". All feedback is appreciated.)

dooglus

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Quote from: almightyruler on December 14, 2018, 02:27:02 PM

Comments, dooglus?

Funny you should ask. I spent a few hours figuring it out. It turns out that you can fit 677 outputs into a transaction before hitting the 100kB tx size limit. Each output is worth 0.00045 CLAM, giving a total of 0.30465 CLAMs. The tx fee for a transaction of that size is 0.01 CLAMs, so you end up with 0.29465 CLAMs. The fee is 3.28% of the total value, so it's worth paying. Here's an example of a 100kB transaction paying 0.01 CLAMs in fees to clean up 677 dust outputs and earning 0.29465 CLAM for doing so: http://khashier.com/tx/99abca5af7990b578e481a5d85dd9d6ccd57c9faf1e19180fc8e995ecadb257c

I could instead have let the staking wallet see the dust and automatically merge it in 100 outputs at a time as it stakes. That way you don't pay any fee at all but it makes staking slower (it takes time to sign 100 outputs) which probably increase the orphan rate - maybe that was the goal of the spammer in the first place, to slow down JD's staking so he would get a bigger share of the stakes. That is how the spam from the first 7 spam transactions got cleaned up before I noticed what was going on. Here's an example of a regular stake pulling in 99 dust outputs when a 35 CLAM output stakes: http://khashier.com/tx/b6d340915eb58d51925b6d2f4d633f4b6a59610dc65f80234dc9742b60053c25

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on December 14, 2018, 02:01:27 PM

Dear Santa CLAMS,

Feel free to DDOS FreeBitcoins.com clam wallet with 23 free clams Tongue

Depends how much it would cost in fees to convert all that dust to mud. Can outputs that small even be spent? I seem to recall some coins will reject transactions with an input value being less than the minimum tx fee, but I can't see anything like this in the CLAM source. Obviously an output of that size can be created, because it's right there in the blockchain. Comments, dooglus?

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Dear Santa CLAMS,

Feel free to DDOS FreeBitcoins.com clam wallet with 23 free clams Tongue

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Quote from: dooglus on December 13, 2018, 10:49:42 PM

Somebody is staking their coins directly into the Just-Dice staking wallet.

It stopped as soon as I posted his. Now he's staking to his own address.

Here's an example: http://khashier.com/tx/6a875588f9753ffee10b6df872c6db62ab48e744026a0a0d84f0d09f55dbad98

dooglus

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Somebody is staking their coins directly into the Just-Dice staking wallet.

Here's an example: http://khashier.com/tx/2c54d03bc4d0eaaa097b19f447fe90e202950bc118252a96ddb6265a09f9dcb3

It splits the 1 CLAM reward into 2222 separate pieces and gives them to Just-Dice. I don't know if it's someone's idea of a denial of service attack or what's going on. It seems very unlikely to me that someone accidentally set "splitsize=0.00045" and "rewardto=xJDCLAMZ..." in their CLAM config file.

The address is staking pretty often. It has sent us 23 CLAMs worth of dust so far in less than 24 hours.

Quote from: gembitz on December 11, 2018, 09:26:18 PM

Quote from: dooglus on December 11, 2018, 09:07:55 PM

what is BTI and why do you keep posting about it on the CLAM thread?

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