Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 2270. (Read 9723858 times)

My so-called 'hate' thread did not claim it was a premine, only an instamine.


I don't agree that a few percent of the coins mined by someone who optimized the miner is  "significantly" instamined or premined. If we restrict it to the period before the obviously deliberate de-optimization was remove then it is probably 1% or less. You can define it that way if you want, but I don't think claiming that to be "significantly premine" or instamine is remotely credible.

The DASH 35% instamine (bad difficulty adjustment, extra coins, subsequently lowered rewards) is your baggage. Don't try to make it about Monero.

Ah fuck it, not worth my time

You quoted threads posted by people that obviously had a beef with Darkcoin, your Darkcoin hate thread included.

Trying to say optimised miners were created is one thing. Monero miners were being overwhelmed by optimised miners at one end, and code baked in to rig the game at the other end.

Following a predefined trajectory yes, but with one or two people skimming most of the coins of that trajectory.

That's just another definition for instamined. If you had participated in the deoptimization I would have called you a scammer. You seem to have been the victim of the scam, along with everyone else, so I'll leave it as instamined for several months.

You need to submit that to coinmarketcap and to request Monero be flagged as instamined by a possible rouge dev.

Haha, scammers getting pissed. Jail for Scammer Evan

Cool your jets. It's seriously yawn worthy.

Hear hear!

Threats? Seriously?


There's nothing more than what has been already been widely discussed. Monero is probably the most scrutinized coin in existence outside of Bitcoin. We have nothing to hide.

Be careful though, if you look at it closely enough, you might actually find you like it. Then what?

Smooth...you a-holes better hope I don't find out your coin had a checkered past!  All of you holy roller mofos shooting off your mouths about being better then everyone are going to be in for a surprise...I will make it my mission to PUMP n DUMP and fuck with your market for a long time.  Do NOT test me on that...I have the resources to give you butthurt for months and months!  

If I were you I'd be looking deeply into your coins past...

moronero is not our competition, please don't elevate them to our level. they are a one trick pony. zerocash is a monero killer!

Please don't quote trolls or talk about another coins here. Most of the regulars here don't care about the Moreno coin.

tnks.

Wolf's bins are publically available. They are pretty optimised. Much higher than them and you'd lose out on the gain due to increased power consumption.

Perhaps monero should have ***Dubious launch then too on coinmarketcap

I have to say I did not tell them it was a premine. I told them it was an instamine (and even that was only extra supporting information such as quotes from Evan after someone else had already posted about the instamine itself). You can find my post on their thread (it was linked here). That's the only communication I've had with them at all. Personally I think they should change the tag to "significantly premined or instamined" (and I said that too on their thread) but that is just my opinion. What they do is up to them.

I don't get this. A instamine is not a premine. The devs did not preemptively take a large number of coins out of circulation. I wonder if money changed hands here to get us listed as such. Shame on coinmarketcap, shame on the Monero shills/devs.

Not really, many people mined the coin, you can go back and look at posts from dozens if not hundreds of people who were mining it (and those were just the ones posting). Some mined more efficiently than others, just like every single coin in existence, including this one right now. You don't know there are optimized X11 miners that are faster than the public ones?

You mean the emission followed the correct curve. The distribution was in those in the know's pockets.

Pot calling kettle black.

It's all yawn worthy on both sides after this long.

So simply - which not stop being a dick?

No it was not. First of all it was never instamined -- the output of coins was exactly the scheduled amount. The deliberately de-optimized part of the miner was fixed after 19 days (as documented on github). After that it was a question of further optimizing it, and there was the usual arms race of various miners competing to optimize the best, some made public, some not.

Son if bitch... Really?    Holy fn smokes.  So these bastards have been here squaking for months about instamined BULLSHIT and their own coin was Instamined for 2 months.    COINS101. can u please PM me with where I can research this information.  I'm going to take the next bit to research this endepth.  Any links etc... Please pm them to me that would be great. I'm going to be super pissed if these dirt bags have wasted my time...

I doubt optimized miners are considered instamine or premine or everything else. If they were, they would just have to list 100% of coins, because every single one has had optimized miners at various times (and most, including X11, still do afaik)

The distribution of the coin followed the published schedule and the distribution was smooth over time, possibly closer than any previous coin, because the adjustment algorithm works extremely well (it adjusts on a launch pretty close to the actual hash rate within 5-10 blocks). That's the definition of premine/instamine as far as I know it.

Even if you want to count the deliberately de-optimzied miner as being some sort of scam that needs tagging, that only went on for 19 days with a normal (not accelerated) mining output, so really only <3% percent of the coins were possibly affected. Hard to argue that is "significantly" anything (that's the word coinmarketcap uses).

I don't know the full background history of Monero, but I did join early on. I will give you and tactotime props for stepping in to save a project.

However, on the basis of what you have said about Darkcoin, you should offer up to coinmarketcap a similar desire to have Monero listed as premined / instamined because it was forked from BCN and the code contained depotimisation to rig the mining game, apparently.

You may not have known that, but its a fact that Monero miners were being ripped off. You took over the project because you suspected the dev was a scammer but you didn't relaunch.

Then you just discovered an issue post fact.

The issue may have been resolved, but it still stands. Monero was instamined for the best part of two months, or more.

"Bitmonero was a fork of Bytecoin designed to not have the 80% premine.  But its initial developer either didn't know, didn't care, or wanted to profit from the de-optimized hashing.  That initial developer was pretty quickly given the boot by the community, and in came an unrelated group of developers who took it over---who were, as far as I can tell, completely unaware of the deoptimization.  So things sat there for a few weeks in the same state as Bytecoin."

http://da-data.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

You as one of the devs should have worked out there was a problem and not have been told about it but some kid who needed to get permission from his parents to keep spewing out hundreds of thousands of coins and dumping them for a profit.  Wait no, devs don't make mistakes.

Now you suspect a botnet attack, which could easily be more of the above.

You should offer this information up to coinmarketcap to demonstrate you are not just trying to attack the competition, but you genuinely want fair play.

 You are a disgrace of a person and are not worthy of being a crypto dev. Github is stained by your presence. You are the metastasic cancer the spreads poison in this forum.

 The pen is mightier than the sword. In this case, code speak louder than posts.

 Keep on posting here if you please.

 With each post, history is in the making, and you lay down the tracks of the road you chose to follow.