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Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:36:44 AM

Quote from: MyFarm on March 16, 2015, 09:54:09 AM

...But what I guarantee you 100% is that...

how are you going to guarantee an opinion by 100%? and you sold most of your dark so how does that look right now at this juncture when you talk about 'business acumen' lol???

My opinion is based upon years of experience. The business world is littered with the charred carcases of companies with excellent technology buy no business acumen. Darkcoin should have brought in someone with substantial business experience many months ago to head things up and improve every important process.

As I said, I still very much believe in Darkcoin technology and Evan as a developer. But the risk at this juncture is far too high for me to invest any substantial capital. Only a business executive I can trust will turn things around would change that. It's time for Darkcoin to grow up. If the correct moves aren't made, it never will.

i think we have completely opposite opinions - To me the rebrand is dark growing up and getting their business hat on... each to their own

I agree that rebranding is/was important and I anticipated it happening at some point. It's how it has been handled that showcases a 5 year old is trying to drive a bulldozer through downtown. Experienced drivers are needed.

my metrics for success of rebrand would be how quickly it's done and how any short term 'shock factor' damage is minimized - price, team and masternode count are almost the same and it is being done quick, so pass with flying colors in my book

If you have a protracted legal battle and you end up losing, how did that rebranding go? If the developer isn't able to concentrate on coding because they are thinking about the legal issues, how did that rebranding go? If you have to spend a boatload of money on that legal battle, how did that rebranding go?

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Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:50:14 AM

Quote from: MyFarm on March 16, 2015, 09:56:15 AM

MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have potentially opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

Second most important developer not just because of their coding ability, but they were one of the few voices of reason and diplomacy.

he broke ranks publicly, dumped, and abandoned in 5 seconds, off an announcement that a rebrand was under consideration. that isn't reason and diplomacy!!! Cheesy

She. And if you've been following Darkcoin development threads, it was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.

Vertoe isn't a "she" (that's a misunderstanding that's been running for sometime).

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Quote from: oblox on March 16, 2015, 09:50:39 AM

Quote from: MyFarm on March 16, 2015, 09:49:41 AM

MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have potentially opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

Second most important developer not just because of their coding ability, but they were one of the few voices of reason and diplomacy.

...and also wanted to take the project in a different direction (targeting more of the DNM's) which was never the intent from the start (but obviously a side effect from a natural privacy solution). How can a project "grow up" if it's directly targeting that demographic?

There's nothing wrong with having a dissenting view. In fact, it's very healthy to have such views within your business. I see substantial amounts of cognitive dissonance and a cult-like following within the Darkcoin community. Having those dissenting views at the developer level were very important.

disagree again - every project needs a good leader, when the lead's cornerstones go round the back to try and get their way, it's v bad for the project (i.e. they have their own ambitions and that's going to cause problems sooner or later) EDIT: IDK if this exactly applies to Vertoe but when you see people go against the leader publically it starts to look like that)

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Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:46:22 AM

Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:36:44 AM

Quote from: oblox on March 16, 2015, 09:50:39 AM

...But what I guarantee you 100% is that...

how are you going to guarantee an opinion by 100%? and you sold most of your dark so how does that look right now at this juncture when you talk about 'business acumen' lol???

My opinion is based upon years of experience. The business world is littered with the charred carcases of companies with excellent technology buy no business acumen. Darkcoin should have brought in someone with substantial business experience many months ago to head things up and improve every important process.

As I said, I still very much believe in Darkcoin technology and Evan as a developer. But the risk at this juncture is far too high for me to invest any substantial capital. Only a business executive I can trust will turn things around would change that. It's time for Darkcoin to grow up. If the correct moves aren't made, it never will.

i think we have completely opposite opinions - To me the rebrand is dark growing up and getting their business hat on... each to their own

I agree that rebranding is/was important and I anticipated it happening at some point. It's how it has been handled that showcases a 5 year old is trying to drive a bulldozer through downtown. Experienced drivers are needed.

my metrics for success of rebrand would be how quickly it's done and how any short term 'shock factor' damage is minimized - price, team and masternode count are almost the same and it is being done quick, so pass with flying colors in my book

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Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:50:14 AM

MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have potentially opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

Second most important developer not just because of their coding ability, but they were one of the few voices of reason and diplomacy.

...and also wanted to take the project in a different direction (targeting more of the DNM's) which was never the intent from the start (but obviously a side effect from a natural privacy solution). How can a project "grow up" if it's directly targeting that demographic?

There's nothing wrong with having a dissenting view. In fact, it's very healthy to have such views within your business. I see substantial amounts of cognitive dissonance and a cult-like following within the Darkcoin community. Having those dissenting views at the developer level were very important.

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MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have potentially opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

Second most important developer not just because of their coding ability, but they were one of the few voices of reason and diplomacy.

he broke ranks publicly, dumped, and abandoned in 5 seconds, off an announcement that a rebrand was under consideration. that isn't reason and diplomacy!!! Cheesy

She. And if you've been following Darkcoin development threads, it was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.

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MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have potentially opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

Second most important developer not just because of their coding ability, but they were one of the few voices of reason and diplomacy.

...and also wanted to take the project in a different direction (targeting more of the DNM's) which was never the intent from the start (but obviously a side effect from a natural privacy solution). How can a project "grow up" if it's directly targeting that demographic?

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There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

Though shalt not forget Herr Schinzel !

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Quote from: toknormal on March 16, 2015, 09:11:02 AM

MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have potentially opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

Second most important developer not just because of their coding ability, but they were one of the few voices of reason and diplomacy.

he broke ranks publicly, dumped, and abandoned in 5 seconds, off an announcement that a rebrand was under consideration. that isn't reason and diplomacy!!! Cheesy

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I suggest we hire Bobsurplus or IconicExpert to lead the PR and Business Divisions. If they are unavailable, then perhaps Synechist of XC/Blocknet fame. All with highly recognized and proven results.

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Quote from: MyFarm on March 16, 2015, 08:49:47 AM

w.t.f. legal stuff...

https://i.imgur.com/ztnHORF.png

https://i.imgur.com/7QH6gwq.png

There's really that many companies that have PHOENIX misspelled for their company name? That's just pathetic.

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Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:46:22 AM

Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:36:44 AM

...But what I guarantee you 100% is that...

how are you going to guarantee an opinion by 100%? and you sold most of your dark so how does that look right now at this juncture when you talk about 'business acumen' lol???

My opinion is based upon years of experience. The business world is littered with the charred carcases of companies with excellent technology buy no business acumen. Darkcoin should have brought in someone with substantial business experience many months ago to head things up and improve every important process.

As I said, I still very much believe in Darkcoin technology and Evan as a developer. But the risk at this juncture is far too high for me to invest any substantial capital. Only a business executive I can trust will turn things around would change that. It's time for Darkcoin to grow up. If the correct moves aren't made, it never will.

i think we have completely opposite opinions - To me the rebrand is dark growing up and getting their business hat on... each to their own

I agree that rebranding is/was important and I anticipated it happening at some point. It's how it has been handled that showcases a 5 year old is trying to drive a bulldozer through downtown. Experienced drivers are needed.

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MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have potentially opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

Second most important developer not just because of their coding ability, but they were one of the few voices of reason and diplomacy.

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Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:36:44 AM

Quote from: tungfa on March 16, 2015, 09:42:22 AM

...But what I guarantee you 100% is that...

how are you going to guarantee an opinion by 100%? and you sold most of your dark so how does that look right now at this juncture when you talk about 'business acumen' lol???

My opinion is based upon years of experience. The business world is littered with the charred carcases of companies with excellent technology buy no business acumen. Darkcoin should have brought in someone with substantial business experience many months ago to head things up and improve every important process.

As I said, I still very much believe in Darkcoin technology and Evan as a developer. But the risk at this juncture is far too high for me to invest any substantial capital. Only a business executive I can trust will turn things around would change that. It's time for Darkcoin to grow up. If the correct moves aren't made, it never will.

i think we have completely opposite opinions - To me the rebrand is dark growing up and getting their business hat on... each to their own

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Darkcoin is changing its name/branding to DASH – Digital Cash.
The new name will start being used officially and in external services from March 25th onwards.

Darkcoin’s vision has always been to create a trustless, decentralised, private and fast payment platform for the benefit of the majority. We are happy with the progress we are making towards reaching this goal. We’ve been able to release instant transaction confirmations, refine our privacy technology and develop our Masternode network into a strong and truly decentralised platform. We’re building a complete solution and working hard to make crypto more suitable for real world adoption. This is why we believe our new brand DASH will better represent all aspects of our platform and make it more accessible to end users.

We are only changing the name, no technology is affected by this. The coin, the blockchain and the people will be the same. Users don’t need to act on this, the next update of the wallet will have the new brand and it will be a standard update.

A new logo design has been commissioned and it will be made available after the Darkcoin Foundation members vote in around a week’s time. Exchanges, payment processors and other services have been notified so they can prepare in advance.

Our ideals remain intact and we will continue to pursue them under any branding we have, now and in the future.

https://www.darkcoin.io/news/rebranding-to-dash/

Brilliant Tungfa!

Great to see you're getting the message out through official channels even though logos and icons aren't ready yet. It's good.

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Quote from: BlockaFett on March 16, 2015, 09:36:44 AM

...But what I guarantee you 100% is that...

how are you going to guarantee an opinion by 100%? and you sold most of your dark so how does that look right now at this juncture when you talk about 'business acumen' lol???

My opinion is based upon years of experience. The business world is littered with the charred carcases of companies with excellent technology buy no business acumen. Darkcoin should have brought in someone with substantial business experience many months ago to head things up and improve every important process.

As I said, I still very much believe in Darkcoin technology and Evan as a developer. But the risk at this juncture is far too high for me to invest any substantial capital. Only a business executive I can trust will turn things around would change that. It's time for Darkcoin to grow up. If the correct moves aren't made, it never will. What has transpired the past week showcases that very clearly.

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Darkcoin is changing its name/branding to DASH – Digital Cash.
The new name will start being used officially and in external services from March 25th onwards.

Darkcoin’s vision has always been to create a trustless, decentralised, private and fast payment platform for the benefit of the majority. We are happy with the progress we are making towards reaching this goal. We’ve been able to release instant transaction confirmations, refine our privacy technology and develop our Masternode network into a strong and truly decentralised platform. We’re building a complete solution and working hard to make crypto more suitable for real world adoption. This is why we believe our new brand DASH will better represent all aspects of our platform and make it more accessible to end users.

We are only changing the name, no technology is affected by this. The coin, the blockchain and the people will be the same. Users don’t need to act on this, the next update of the wallet will have the new brand and it will be a standard update.

A new logo design has been commissioned and it will be made available after the Darkcoin Foundation members vote in around a week’s time. Exchanges, payment processors and other services have been notified so they can prepare in advance.

Our ideals remain intact and we will continue to pursue them under any branding we have, now and in the future.

https://www.darkcoin.io/news/rebranding-to-dash/

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MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

Myfarm actually makes a good point here, writing it of as FUD is insane really.
These are legitimate concerns, which I share.
At the end of the day time will tell, I just think this whole re-branding has brought in more trouble then it's worth currently.

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MyFarm, face it, you sold completely out and you're butthurt that the price didn't go as low as you wanted to rebuy. No one with any sort of skin in the game would openly try to derail their own investment.

I didn't completely sell, that's not the way I operate. I still own some. Maybe I'm completely incorrect about all of this. But I feel the danger is real enough that I needed to reduce my position substantially. As mentioned, I won't buy back into Darkcoin until someone with business acumen is running things. This isn't FUD trying to rebuy lower.

Good, we could use less of you around here.

Maybe so. But what I guarantee you 100% is that you need someone with serious business acumen heading up Darkcoin. There's too much at stake. Evan is an amazing developer but his business management and communication skills are very subpar. You're going to continue to run into serious problems and any serious investor will see that. You already lost your second most important developer and now have potentially opened yourselves up to serious legal liability.

Not good.

There is still plenty of time in the future for other important roles to be played Dash. Further, to say we lost the second most important developer is a great disservice to UdjinM6, Mr. Hardy, and Mr. Reynders, among countless other contributors.

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