Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 3545. (Read 9723733 times)

Hard to implement no ? How about paying a (one time) fee randomly to one of the masternodes involved in the rounds ?

EDIT : hmm no the first round's masternode.

I think I misunderstood something here.. If someone pays a small amount to be able to darksend for 24hours, then it means those people could mega spam during 24 hours, regardless of the MNs, no?

EDIT: or you meant people pay for the time the anonymization process? Then they actually darksend 10 days later for free if they want to? So if it's about anonymizing the funds, then yes people can't spam or DDOS

Why would anyone not use darksend?  When this coin gets to the point where I'll be paying for things with it, you can bet I'll have all my coins denominated.  I don't want any of my personal information, interests, clothing size, etc... known to the world.  Even if nobody is looking, I will feel much more secure with my privacy in tact, thank you very much.

I just can't believe young people today seem to have no clue how important their privacy is.  Sure, they put tons of stupid info about themselves on facebook.  You have a bit of control there.  But picture this.  You have videos of yourself mooning the camera man, you were young and silly.  It's put up on Facebook by a friend, but today, you have an important job, you're the top Financial advisor at your firm, and are up for partnership.  Then someone finds that video of you when you were a kid.

you lose the partnership.

You must have LONG TERM vision of your future kids!  Privacy is NOT a laughing matter, it's serious.  It'll come back to bite you if you don't maintain it.  I think there are very few of us with our privacy in tact anymore.  I include myself.  Though I've tried a little, just owning a web domain, they f*^king publish my name, address, phone number, etc... on who is.  WTF, why does the world need to know that?

Anyway, if there were a camera watching you poop in your bathroom where someone could be watching you, would you still make silly faces in the mirror, pretend you're doing a toothpaste commercial?  squeeze a zit?  Could you EVER be yourself?

Yes. If you need some motivation, you can gaze upon our developer's wizardry in real time right here and at darkcointalk.

DOS attacks? We could have a masternode sign the transaction when publishing it. The distribution should be really even among the masternodes, so that would eliminate bloat. So if you own 1 masternode, you could publish 1 transaction every 2 days currently. So it requires 1000DRK to use this feature and you still can't use it very much.

Then I am wrong, I always assumed that instant TX per definition is only possible with previously mixed darksend money.

1. Agreed. The fees of 0.0125 would need to be reduced down the road anyway, as DRK price appreciates.
2. Great idea! InstantX transactions should be treated like first class, and with a fee to use it. Could make a useful DOS deterrent as well.  

people could still spam during that window and bloat the network for free, no?

I might jump into the altmarket, do you guys think it's a good time to buy some drk now?

But Darksend and instantx are separate. Evan already said that instantx will not speed up Darksend. Does somebody have the quote? It was from a few days ago.

DOS attacks? We could have a masternode sign the transaction when publishing it. The distribution should be really even among the masternodes, so that would eliminate bloat. So if you own 1 masternode, you could publish 1 transaction every 2 days currently. So it requires 1000DRK to use this feature and you still can't use it very much.

That's it!

So we would have a few different fee-permutations. How much would each cost?

1) user makes transaction without darksend and without Instant TX
2) user makes transaction with darksend and without Instant TX
3) user makes transaction without darksend and with Instant TX (oh wait, that's not possible, lol, needs to be denominated/mixed to be instant TXable, right?)
4) user makes transaction with darksend and with Instant TX

With no fees people would spam attack the network with Sybil identities and bloat up the blockchain via Darksend.

@eduffield
As for the duration fee, thinking about it more I now think it may not work well as spammers can still spam during that window. Maybe the 0.05 fee is enough to keep them away, dunno...

Why? So you pay 0.05DRK when you want to mix, then you mix how ever much you want. If your client goes over 24 hours, it'll spend another 0.05DRK to keep going. It eliminates the timing attacks and double spending attacks.

no brainer. lose the fees.

add the fees to InstantX - Give people the option to pay for first class mail, vs. second class mail.

Me too.

Just not sure about the fee for a period of time

Voluntary fees? No, but it would be much cheaper than it is now.

DOS attacks? We could have a masternode sign the transaction when publishing it. The distribution should be really even among the masternodes, so that would eliminate bloat. So if you own 1 masternode, you could publish 1 transaction every 2 days currently.

Thank you.

After hearing your response I now support this plan.

1. I'm thinking the user will pay for Darksend access for a period of time. For example, you do one transaction for 0.1 to the Darksend access address, this is the very first thing you do when Darksend starts. Then you send that transaction ID, and a signature proving you own the input. That gives you access to darksend for 1 day or something.

2. You're correct. That's what the hard fork is for.

3. I think there's a problem with the fee mixing phase. That would be much easier, but every round of a darksend would still go back to 1 Darksend fee mixing transaction. So you could follow a transaction from round 8,7...1. If you control the last masternode, you could tell who owns the final Darkcoin.