Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 3892. (Read 9723748 times)

+1 georgem

I really can't believe there's another person here that thinks killing of miner's independence is the way to go.
 forward with DRK

The price is going up again 

Absolutely true.

Larken Rose has created a documentary about exactly this kind of false belief that many people have: "It can't happen here"
(it can only happen with those other people who have evil DNA or something /sarc)

People must understand how it can happen that a dictator gets voted into power by promising justice, jobs and free stuff and then openly turns into the biggest tyrant imaginable once he is in power.

(click video to play)



I believe that basically every country that has forced taxation (and obedient people who believe government is here to help them) and enforces (or plans to enforce) some kind of gun control (taking away guns from people and leaving only police and military armed) is very prone to turn into a fullblown tyranny sooner or later.

I'm sorry, I have to speak up here.  Bottom line, a group in power that kidnap and kill 5 million people in the most inhumane way, and don't tell me it didn't happen, my grandfather saw it toward the end of the war, are bad and those most responsible let evil fill their hearts.  I don't call Hitler the anti Christ or the devil, because I don't give him that much credit.  He was a sick, hateful shit head that was undoubtedly a psychopath, in the true nature of the word. 

I don't blame the German people, it happened in their country, but it can happen in ANY country and I think we're well on our way in this country to something similar, maybe more ala Stalin, but what is the real difference, millions dead, same result.

I have no problems being German, I don't hide it, I welcome the discussion and hopefully the healing.  My friend's mother saw her mother killed in front of her.  They shot her in the belly where she was carrying her future sibling.  The pain goes down to the next generation when the children have to deal with their parent's issues, and it goes down again and again.

The same thing is happening right now in so many countries, in South America, Africa, the Middle East, North Korea and probably many other places we don't even know about.

ok, gonna stop now, I just wanted to make myself clear as to what I believe reality is.

You are the man  never chitter chatter banter just straight up technology. Getting it done.

I thought so. Can you try HDR rendering with global illumination? I think it would look insanely realistic then, but will probably take 10 x longer to render.

Nice, may I ask, what rendering software do you use?

Satoshis principles of how a blockchain is secured and validated. You just want to let the validation be done by an elitist club of early adopters, instead of giving EVERYBODY a chance of participating in the coin creation. That's what I don't get.

Mining gives everybody the possibility to get to some DRK without the need to go thru an exchange or thru some smug MN holder who thinks he is now supposed to be the sole source of DRK.

I am mining all kinds of coins, so I don't need to go thru the whole established banking system with all their KYC etc...
No bank anywhere has my personal information and knows that I bought cryptocurrencies, EXACTLY because I was able to get to some coins by running a mining machine!

So, if you get rid of mining, you take away from people the possibility that they can create coins themselves, instead you are forcing them to only be able to buy darkcoins thru an exchange, which is INSANE!

Darkcoin is VERY COOL in that regard, because it let's you still mine with your CPU/GPU. (And imagine in the future having X11 USB ASICS that cost 10 $? Isn't that fantastic? Giving some kid a X11 miner as present and having him participate in the network. Ok, maybe in some rich elitist famility they can give some kid 1000 DRK complete with managed server, .... )

If the blockchain were to be validated by MN network only, I would not trust it. Sure, everybody can provide a blockchain, it's not just about its visibility, it's about its integrity!

You have the burden of the proof to show that MN network can really replace mining. Not me!
Such extraordinairy claims require extraordinairy evidence.

Where in the heck are you getting that? Having MNs generate the blockchain would have absolutely no affect on the things you named...?? THe blockchain would be just as visible as it ever was, not that anyone could trace transactions anyway.

Try again.

As I just posted in the darkcointalk forum:

Let's not forget that we need darkcoin to also work without darksend, without anonymity.
There are many reasons why someone will want to show other people a transaction list of an address. For example a donation based charity or something.
Voluntary transparency can be a very valuable function.
I always liked that darkcoin can be BOTH anonymous and not anonymous, depending on the needs of the user.
If we get rid of the miners, we get rid of that, and this would in turn limit the amount of things one can do with darkcoin, wouldn't it?
Even batman turns into bruce wayne by day. Imagine him being batman 24/7... he would probably have commited suicide by now (if he really existed).

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So, g4q34g4qg47ww, you want as a next step that we don't have any option anymore, right? No option anymore to use or not use darksend depending on our own needs?
No public ledger possibility anymore, right?
You just need you to come clean and tell me what your final goal is here. Don't ask me to be succinct when it is you who makes moves with unforseable consequences.

Georgem,
Please explain succinctly why miners deserve 4x more of the coins from each block than masternodes do, when masternodes can do the job the miners do, potentially even MUCH MUCH safer than miners do currently?

the cause for full reboots of Amazon's cloud service

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/xen-reveals-xsa-108-memory-leak-bug-details/
https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2014-7188

First look into the mirror and ask yourself, what sensible arguments do you have that masternodes should recieve EVEN MORE darkcoins than they already do?
You already expressed a view that you start doubting that the job of a miner is at all valuable. So isn't this discussion only going to end to your satisfaction if miners get no reward at all?
Are you even talking about sharing? Or more about taking away from someone you now deem a "useless eater"?

I love it.

I'm not talking down to anyone, I'm asking miners to come up with sensible arguments as to why they are four times as valuable as Masternodes to the coin.

edit: 6am for me, time for bed... thanks for the debate.

Open your wallet, go to the console, type 'masternode count.'

Has that number steadily increased with time or not? Doubling the Masternode count would take another million DRK off the market.

We will see. Just don't talk down to those gut bacterias man, because we absolutely NEED them.

I am not sure about that.
As you said, I could setup and run 2 masternodes in a few hours. But it only takes me a few minutes to withdraw those coins to an exchange and sell them.
So those 2000 DRK are not really far removed from the market at all.
A masternode is a very volatile form of "fixated asset". It's not a tightly fixated asset like e.g. a house. Far from it.

It's a free world for you to go play tennis while we're playing football too. 

Are you joking? Anonymous transactions, forthcoming InstanTX, there's the table. What did miners have to do with that? You know, the whole point of Darkcoin?

the rules being, hand over 50% their hash power and hand over the 50% of their means to mine the coin when, how and how often  they want, hand over the means to save up at the rate they want and buy the MN as  and when they like,, FFS it's a free world unless you getting blown apart on the streets you live