XMR is a valid competition. Blockchain bloat is not a valid cause of concern to the investor types.
Why the bloat wouldn't concern investors?
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June 13, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
Why the bloat wouldn't concern investors?
June 13, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
Darkcoin's Competition
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as the dust settles it gets clearer that there are no alternatives at the moment
XMR is a valid competition. Blockchain bloat is not a valid cause of concern to the investor types. XMR is also undergoing nice development work just like DRK.
However, it really depends on what Evan's plans are for RC4 and beyond. He could do a Ring Signature port if needed, but I believe he might have even better enhancements lined up. The path would be
CoinJoin+ -> RingSig+
I agree XMR, even though a Bytecoin fork, at least has a real technical proposition behind it. There are clear whitepapers that show what they are trying to do. I dont invest in XMR for the following reasons:
1. Their protocol is completely different from Bitcoin I think that is a huge obstacle for real world adoption in the next 3 years at least. There is no proven record of what happens when a Cryptonote blockchain scales so merchants, larger exchanges and big investors are least likely to adopt it mid -term.
2. There are still technical challenges they need to overcome, like making it user friendly and basic aspects of the GUI wallet that are a given with Bitcoin forks.
3. If Darkcoin RC4 proves to be as anonymous as Cryptonote or even close to it, XMR reason for existence will be hard to justify giving its challenges. So I guess we will see.
Based on this I think Darkcoin is a better investment even if I needed to decide where to invest right now.
June 13, 2014, 03:53:16 PM
Darkcoin's Competition
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as the dust settles it gets clearer that there are no alternatives at the moment
XMR is a valid competition. Blockchain bloat is not a valid cause of concern to the investor types. XMR is also undergoing nice development work just like DRK.
However, it really depends on what Evan's plans are for RC4 and beyond. He could do a Ring Signature port if needed, but I believe he might have even better enhancements lined up. The path would be
CoinJoin+ -> RingSig+
June 13, 2014, 03:34:47 PM
Darkcoin's Competition
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as the dust settles it gets clearer that there are no alternatives at the moment
I've just completed a test on the multi-path system
Receivers Address --->>>>> XXcJEFKxziaH8trY6DruHx9ap39rnDJbK7 - 0.03 XC's
I am going to put a password zip file online with the details
ATSECURE
Chaeplan - go ahead and run your analysis and let us know what you find or DON'T FIND
June 13, 2014, 03:31:54 PM
Darkcoin's Competition
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as the dust settles it gets clearer that there are no alternatives at the moment
June 13, 2014, 03:18:58 PM
What to expect from DRK in the next few weeks
The notion that has been floating around today hinting that DRK is near its peak price is very short-sighted. I am really not expecting a big rise with RC3, but it is very important to regain the market's confidence after the fork issues of the last attempt to implement masternode payments. Also exchanges, merchants and investors won't make any real move before the fork is implemented successfully. The masternode network is the foundation for Proof of Service and has a lot more applications beyond anonymity.
So I am more interested in RC3 solidifying DRKs position as anonymity market leader. When RC3 goes live and masternode operators start reporting on their gains more masternodes will join in, is only logical. The way the debugging was done to clean up RC3 was very transparent and professional anyone can go to darkcointalk.org and see the process and it is clear where we are from a technical perspective and that we are not hiding when we find issues but rather dealing with them openly and that sends a very positive message to investors.
The most important thing is after the 20th the development team's attention will go back to anonymity, by mid July we should have a better idea of what are the anonymity enhancements that Evan has planned for Darkcoin. How original and effective these enhancements are will be debate material and should draw additional media attention towards DRK. I think the weeks before RC4 could be the last chance of buying DRK at affordable price levels. Only after Darkcoin is peer reviewed and open sourced the adoption phase can start and a big rise should be expected.
One major milestone could be SilkRoad 2.0 or other Tor markets accepting DRK, but this wont happen before it is open sourced and they can verify the code themselves is only logical. But when they do and if Evans code is strong we will be starting a completely different game. So selling your DRK's before open-source is silly, specially with the track record of the development team.
Darkcoin's Competition
Darkcoin has a clear first-mover advantage and this is how I see the competitive landscape. Darkcoin started this journey 6 months ago and has been developing at a very aggressive pace, eventually the market noticed and we had our first big rise in price after weeks of being in the shadows. This produced a lot of speculative hype and catalyzed the market creating an opportunity for others to claim similar features.
With a lot of people feeling they missed the dark train they started to invest in any coin with anonymity claims in the hopes of seeing a similar price behavior. Then we saw two types of coins come up either complete scams or coins with honest intentions in the long run, but misrepresenting the stage of development they were in. And all these coins fall into one of these two categories Vericoin, Dreamcoin, Libertycoin, X11coin, Cloakcoin, Monero, Pinkcoin, Neutrino, Cryptcoin.
Lets just not talk about the scams, the ones with real intentions were claiming to be either at the same stage of development or beyond Darkcoin in just a few weeks. The market needed to know if this was true and a lot of people decided to take a risk and see, but time quickly took care of the scams and the others were proven to be either completely flawed or at a very early stage of development. So now that the hype is dying coins really need to deliver true and proven value if they want to challenge DRK, but this requires true skill and if anything it will take a lot of time, so if Darkcoin does not relax and continues its aggressive development it can easily retain its first mover advantage and remain the market leader. This means that Darkcoin's future is in the hands of Darkcoin while serious competitors need to wait for a serious problem in camp Darkcoin if they want to win some time and close the gap. So as long as Evan and his team continues to deliver Darkcoin should have a bright future.
ok, you convinced me. (Though I didn't really need any convincing).The notion that has been floating around today hinting that DRK is near its peak price is very short-sighted. I am really not expecting a big rise with RC3, but it is very important to regain the market's confidence after the fork issues of the last attempt to implement masternode payments. Also exchanges, merchants and investors won't make any real move before the fork is implemented successfully. The masternode network is the foundation for Proof of Service and has a lot more applications beyond anonymity.
So I am more interested in RC3 solidifying DRKs position as anonymity market leader. When RC3 goes live and masternode operators start reporting on their gains more masternodes will join in, is only logical. The way the debugging was done to clean up RC3 was very transparent and professional anyone can go to darkcointalk.org and see the process and it is clear where we are from a technical perspective and that we are not hiding when we find issues but rather dealing with them openly and that sends a very positive message to investors.
The most important thing is after the 20th the development team's attention will go back to anonymity, by mid July we should have a better idea of what are the anonymity enhancements that Evan has planned for Darkcoin. How original and effective these enhancements are will be debate material and should draw additional media attention towards DRK. I think the weeks before RC4 could be the last chance of buying DRK at affordable price levels. Only after Darkcoin is peer reviewed and open sourced the adoption phase can start and a big rise should be expected.
One major milestone could be SilkRoad 2.0 or other Tor markets accepting DRK, but this wont happen before it is open sourced and they can verify the code themselves is only logical. But when they do and if Evans code is strong we will be starting a completely different game. So selling your DRK's before open-source is silly, specially with the track record of the development team.
Darkcoin's Competition
Darkcoin has a clear first-mover advantage and this is how I see the competitive landscape. Darkcoin started this journey 6 months ago and has been developing at a very aggressive pace, eventually the market noticed and we had our first big rise in price after weeks of being in the shadows. This produced a lot of speculative hype and catalyzed the market creating an opportunity for others to claim similar features.
With a lot of people feeling they missed the dark train they started to invest in any coin with anonymity claims in the hopes of seeing a similar price behavior. Then we saw two types of coins come up either complete scams or coins with honest intentions in the long run, but misrepresenting the stage of development they were in. And all these coins fall into one of these two categories Vericoin, Dreamcoin, Libertycoin, X11coin, Cloakcoin, Monero, Pinkcoin, Neutrino, Cryptcoin.
Lets just not talk about the scams, the ones with real intentions were claiming to be either at the same stage of development or beyond Darkcoin in just a few weeks. The market needed to know if this was true and a lot of people decided to take a risk and see, but time quickly took care of the scams and the others were proven to be either completely flawed or at a very early stage of development. So now that the hype is dying coins really need to deliver true and proven value if they want to challenge DRK, but this requires true skill and if anything it will take a lot of time, so if Darkcoin does not relax and continues its aggressive development it can easily retain its first mover advantage and remain the market leader. This means that Darkcoin's future is in the hands of Darkcoin while serious competitors need to wait for a serious problem in camp Darkcoin if they want to win some time and close the gap. So as long as Evan and his team continues to deliver Darkcoin should have a bright future.
Based on that post I grabbed that 901 DRK shot.
(I'll see about the other 99
)So that was you...
Is that 81 BTC wall @ 0.01755011 yours too?
I was going to grab few BTCs worth more, looks like I better hurry, sell book getting thin...
June 13, 2014, 03:16:26 PM
Phase 2 = "White"paper that is darker than Nigerian Prince 
You mean, go to Darkcoin thread, advertise, then Troll and then claim Darkcoin supporters are spreading FUD because they fear the competition from a superior new coin.
Right, the whitepaper covers that in the citations.
June 13, 2014, 03:08:48 PM
What to expect from DRK in the next few weeks
The notion that has been floating around today hinting that DRK is near its peak price is very short-sighted. I am really not expecting a big rise with RC3, but it is very important to regain the market's confidence after the fork issues of the last attempt to implement masternode payments. Also exchanges, merchants and investors won't make any real move before the fork is implemented successfully. The masternode network is the foundation for Proof of Service and has a lot more applications beyond anonymity.
So I am more interested in RC3 solidifying DRKs position as anonymity market leader. When RC3 goes live and masternode operators start reporting on their gains more masternodes will join in, is only logical. The way the debugging was done to clean up RC3 was very transparent and professional anyone can go to darkcointalk.org and see the process and it is clear where we are from a technical perspective and that we are not hiding when we find issues but rather dealing with them openly and that sends a very positive message to investors.
The most important thing is after the 20th the development team's attention will go back to anonymity, by mid July we should have a better idea of what are the anonymity enhancements that Evan has planned for Darkcoin. How original and effective these enhancements are will be debate material and should draw additional media attention towards DRK. I think the weeks before RC4 could be the last chance of buying DRK at affordable price levels. Only after Darkcoin is peer reviewed and open sourced the adoption phase can start and a big rise should be expected.
One major milestone could be SilkRoad 2.0 or other Tor markets accepting DRK, but this wont happen before it is open sourced and they can verify the code themselves is only logical. But when they do and if Evans code is strong we will be starting a completely different game. So selling your DRK's before open-source is silly, specially with the track record of the development team.
Darkcoin's Competition
Darkcoin has a clear first-mover advantage and this is how I see the competitive landscape. Darkcoin started this journey 6 months ago and has been developing at a very aggressive pace, eventually the market noticed and we had our first big rise in price after weeks of being in the shadows. This produced a lot of speculative hype and catalyzed the market creating an opportunity for others to claim similar features.
With a lot of people feeling they missed the dark train they started to invest in any coin with anonymity claims in the hopes of seeing a similar price behavior. Then we saw two types of coins come up either complete scams or coins with honest intentions in the long run, but misrepresenting the stage of development they were in. And all these coins fall into one of these two categories Vericoin, Dreamcoin, Libertycoin, X11coin, Cloakcoin, Monero, Pinkcoin, Neutrino, Cryptcoin.
Lets just not talk about the scams, the ones with real intentions were claiming to be either at the same stage of development or beyond Darkcoin in just a few weeks. The market needed to know if this was true and a lot of people decided to take a risk and see, but time quickly took care of the scams and the others were proven to be either completely flawed or at a very early stage of development. So now that the hype is dying coins really need to deliver true and proven value if they want to challenge DRK, but this requires true skill and if anything it will take a lot of time, so if Darkcoin does not relax and continues its aggressive development it can easily retain its first mover advantage and remain the market leader. This means that Darkcoin's future is in the hands of Darkcoin while serious competitors need to wait for a serious problem in camp Darkcoin if they want to win some time and close the gap. So as long as Evan and his team continues to deliver Darkcoin should have a bright future.
The notion that has been floating around today hinting that DRK is near its peak price is very short-sighted. I am really not expecting a big rise with RC3, but it is very important to regain the market's confidence after the fork issues of the last attempt to implement masternode payments. Also exchanges, merchants and investors won't make any real move before the fork is implemented successfully. The masternode network is the foundation for Proof of Service and has a lot more applications beyond anonymity.
So I am more interested in RC3 solidifying DRKs position as anonymity market leader. When RC3 goes live and masternode operators start reporting on their gains more masternodes will join in, is only logical. The way the debugging was done to clean up RC3 was very transparent and professional anyone can go to darkcointalk.org and see the process and it is clear where we are from a technical perspective and that we are not hiding when we find issues but rather dealing with them openly and that sends a very positive message to investors.
The most important thing is after the 20th the development team's attention will go back to anonymity, by mid July we should have a better idea of what are the anonymity enhancements that Evan has planned for Darkcoin. How original and effective these enhancements are will be debate material and should draw additional media attention towards DRK. I think the weeks before RC4 could be the last chance of buying DRK at affordable price levels. Only after Darkcoin is peer reviewed and open sourced the adoption phase can start and a big rise should be expected.
One major milestone could be SilkRoad 2.0 or other Tor markets accepting DRK, but this wont happen before it is open sourced and they can verify the code themselves is only logical. But when they do and if Evans code is strong we will be starting a completely different game. So selling your DRK's before open-source is silly, specially with the track record of the development team.
Darkcoin's Competition
Darkcoin has a clear first-mover advantage and this is how I see the competitive landscape. Darkcoin started this journey 6 months ago and has been developing at a very aggressive pace, eventually the market noticed and we had our first big rise in price after weeks of being in the shadows. This produced a lot of speculative hype and catalyzed the market creating an opportunity for others to claim similar features.
With a lot of people feeling they missed the dark train they started to invest in any coin with anonymity claims in the hopes of seeing a similar price behavior. Then we saw two types of coins come up either complete scams or coins with honest intentions in the long run, but misrepresenting the stage of development they were in. And all these coins fall into one of these two categories Vericoin, Dreamcoin, Libertycoin, X11coin, Cloakcoin, Monero, Pinkcoin, Neutrino, Cryptcoin.
Lets just not talk about the scams, the ones with real intentions were claiming to be either at the same stage of development or beyond Darkcoin in just a few weeks. The market needed to know if this was true and a lot of people decided to take a risk and see, but time quickly took care of the scams and the others were proven to be either completely flawed or at a very early stage of development. So now that the hype is dying coins really need to deliver true and proven value if they want to challenge DRK, but this requires true skill and if anything it will take a lot of time, so if Darkcoin does not relax and continues its aggressive development it can easily retain its first mover advantage and remain the market leader. This means that Darkcoin's future is in the hands of Darkcoin while serious competitors need to wait for a serious problem in camp Darkcoin if they want to win some time and close the gap. So as long as Evan and his team continues to deliver Darkcoin should have a bright future.
ok, you convinced me. (Though I didn't really need any convincing).
Based on that post I grabbed that 901 DRK shot.
(I'll see about the other 99
)
June 13, 2014, 03:05:48 PM
Phase 2 = "White"paper that is darker than Nigerian Prince
You mean, go to Darkcoin thread, advertise, then Troll and then claim Darkcoin supporters are spreading FUD because they fear the competition from a superior new coin.
June 13, 2014, 02:34:59 PM
Phase 2 = "White"paper that is darker than Nigerian Prince
June 13, 2014, 02:12:03 PM
Greekcoin is now proposing Anon addition to the terrific coin. They are scheduling a meeting to discuss if it is a good idea. LMAO.
They clone x11, they clone DGW, they just steal the idea of anon/private transactions and call DRK a scam. Pathetic douchebags run the altcoin joints. I am sure some cloners are making 100 BTC+ out of each of these shitcoins alonmg with the pimps aka "community manager"s they hire.
I may be in the minority, however, who thinks all of this, despite active FUD is all a great advertisement for DRK if it stays on track for the target RCs the next 2 months.
A month or so ago, I thought this community would cave-in to the oncoming exposure and FUD (before the price runup). I am now thinking this community has toughened up and matured to handle a lot of the noise. In fact I will start maintaining a score. So as of today,
Troll Defense Score = 6.00/10.00
This will need to increase in the next run ups.
They clone x11, they clone DGW, they just steal the idea of anon/private transactions and call DRK a scam. Pathetic douchebags run the altcoin joints. I am sure some cloners are making 100 BTC+ out of each of these shitcoins alonmg with the pimps aka "community manager"s they hire.
I may be in the minority, however, who thinks all of this, despite active FUD is all a great advertisement for DRK if it stays on track for the target RCs the next 2 months.
A month or so ago, I thought this community would cave-in to the oncoming exposure and FUD (before the price runup). I am now thinking this community has toughened up and matured to handle a lot of the noise. In fact I will start maintaining a score. So as of today,
Troll Defense Score = 6.00/10.00
This will need to increase in the next run ups.
Every crapcoin in the universe:
June 13, 2014, 01:49:00 PM
Lol now 25% larger!
June 13, 2014, 01:48:04 PM
Greekcoin is now proposing Anon addition to the terrific coin. They are scheduling a meeting to discuss if it is a good idea. LMAO.
They clone x11, they clone DGW, they just steal the idea of anon/private transactions and call DRK a scam. Pathetic douchebags run the altcoin joints. I am sure some cloners are making 100 BTC+ out of each of these shitcoins alonmg with the pimps aka "community manager"s they hire.
I may be in the minority, however, who thinks all of this, despite active FUD is all a great advertisement for DRK if it stays on track for the target RCs the next 2 months.
A month or so ago, I thought this community would cave-in to the oncoming exposure and FUD (before the price runup). I am now thinking this community has toughened up and matured to handle a lot of the noise. In fact I will start maintaining a score. So as of today,
Troll Defense Score = 6.00/10.00
This will need to increase in the next run ups.
They clone x11, they clone DGW, they just steal the idea of anon/private transactions and call DRK a scam. Pathetic douchebags run the altcoin joints. I am sure some cloners are making 100 BTC+ out of each of these shitcoins alonmg with the pimps aka "community manager"s they hire.
I may be in the minority, however, who thinks all of this, despite active FUD is all a great advertisement for DRK if it stays on track for the target RCs the next 2 months.
A month or so ago, I thought this community would cave-in to the oncoming exposure and FUD (before the price runup). I am now thinking this community has toughened up and matured to handle a lot of the noise. In fact I will start maintaining a score. So as of today,
Troll Defense Score = 6.00/10.00
This will need to increase in the next run ups.
June 13, 2014, 01:29:40 PM
Lol now 25% larger!
June 13, 2014, 01:15:05 PM
June 13, 2014, 01:01:31 PM
I am epic
June 13, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
There are people popping up in IRC and other plases that are looking to buy DRK with fiat, What places besides Bitfinex have drk for fiat ?
Is it not correct that you dont have to buy BTC first on Bitfinex ? can just transfer fiat, and buy drk directly without going through BTC?
If you could list some here It would be great
Then it is possible just to link to this post for those people
Is it not correct that you dont have to buy BTC first on Bitfinex ? can just transfer fiat, and buy drk directly without going through BTC?
If you could list some here It would be great
Then it is possible just to link to this post for those peopleAlso ccex & bter.
https://c-cex.com/?p=drk-usd
https://bter.com/trade/drk_usd
Made a Reddit thread on buying DRK http://www.reddit.com/r/DRKCoin/comments/282h7b/where_to_buy_darkcoins_with_fiat/
Maybe give it some up votes
Edit: or better yet pin it on top, im looking at you op
June 13, 2014, 12:49:52 PM
RELAX guys
lets give this some time and do NOT get too carried away !
We are totally on track !
Lets have some fun with it !
(i am having a great time where i am sitting and holding)
lets give this some time and do NOT get too carried away !
We are totally on track !
Lets have some fun with it !
(i am having a great time where i am sitting and holding)
June 13, 2014, 12:47:59 PM
What to expect from DRK in the next few weeks
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Excellent Post. Thank you for the time to write it.
Great posts from other DRK contributors and supporters. The level is higher than the average of others bitcointalk forums. (equivalent to the level of investment volume)
Thanks to chaeplin, I increase my knowledge about crypto tech the last weeks.
Most of the technical discussion and deep analysis in the "other coin" forum is leader by Chaeplin and the community of this other coin didn't appreciate that (even the developer). sad to see that (just 1 or 2 other coin supporters recognize that).
I got involved on mining and buying DRk since page 950. (take me about 2 days to read the first 950 pages.) and now we are going fast to page 2000.
I'm finishing a large upgrade project for a product not related with cryptos, so my time is limited. As soon finish it, I will move almost full time to this interesting project.
June 13, 2014, 12:44:54 PM
Getting worried?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7291635
Spamming in other threads. If you Darkcoin holders are so confident why do you need to post crap in other threads? If you're so superior then your coin will speak for itself. You whine about fud in your thread then you do the same thing.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7291635
I don't like the name of this coin. Can we maybe rename it to 'Darkcoin Lite' or something?
Spamming in other threads. If you Darkcoin holders are so confident why do you need to post crap in other threads? If you're so superior then your coin will speak for itself. You whine about fud in your thread then you do the same thing.
lol coinz x 3 is a whale, don't worry
I'm not worried, I could care less what conzcoinzcoinz is. He means no more to me than the guy with only a few coins. I'm not here to say a single thing bad about Darkcoin. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy going on. I follow Darkcoin and have a small investment. I'm invested in Monero as well.
He posted the same crap in the XC thread as well.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7289932
You might want to start with a better and more descriptive name for your coin. Previous 'X11Coin' name made it too clear that this coin was a ripoff from Darkcoin. Then it became XC, which is quite meaningless and random. What about 'Darkcoin Lite'?
Ah, so triple coinz is out trolling other threads. That doesn't really bother me. I mean, I'd rather he didn't, but he doesn't represent DRK in any special way.
In the end it doesn't make much difference. Trolls will troll, fudders will fud, and people that really matter (AKA, sizable investors) will ignore both of them, do their own research, and make their own decisions.
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