Evan promised "ring signatures in V2"
Yesterday he had to back peddle and admit it couldn't be done on a Bitcoin fork. You can't trust this kind of behaviour.
Darksend is closed source, no one with half a brain would trust closed source software. I can't wait to see the math on a whitepaper.
If Evan ever comes up with something groundbreaking (will not happen) the Bitcoin devs can copy and implement it. On the other hand, they can never copy cryptonote based coins.
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May 24, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
May 24, 2014, 11:24:46 AM
I just realized that most of the darkcoins like 90+% are owned by less then 1000 people 
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.I just realised that 90% of the FUD is posted by less than 10 trolls.
May 24, 2014, 11:21:44 AM
I just realized that most of the darkcoins like 90+% are owned by less then 1000 people .
. May 24, 2014, 11:21:40 AM
So, Darksend is almost upon us - we still need to think about end-to-end privacy and this is something that is mostly up to the end user.
Ownership of Darkcoins by the process of mining is still potentially traceable on the blockchain and it is therefore possible for an adversary to identify you at the point of spend. For example;
- Registering and mining in a pool could allow an adversary to link your wallet address to your IP address and/or email address to identify you. (Darkcoin pools should implement strong https encryption to help to avoid this - at least 2048-bit or 4096-bit - Self-Signed certs. or even using free certs. like CAcert.org are preferable to having no SSL at all).
- When mining in the pool you are identifiable as being in a sub-set of user accounts due to the tcp http pool address and info. being sent in plain text.
- P2pool users addresses are shown by 'default' and should at least be obfuscated on a pools static pages.
- Changes in a Darkcoin wallet balance at the point of spend could potentially be used to link a transaction to a purchase, given the above.
Darksend obviously makes these examples much more difficult for an adversary to establish and is an improvement on Bitcoins blockchain technology in terms of a users privacy and anonymity.
What we need next is to implement Dark mining.
This can actually be done already by using existing privacy tools and by making all Darkcoin users more aware of what they can do as a community.
We also need to develop some new tools to make this as easy as possible for all Darkcoin users. In fact, the more people that adopt these techniques the better:
"you can't be anonymous by yourself" !
A good way to go about this would be to build and use P2pool's running as dual stack nodes through Tor network .onion addresses.
Setting minerd or sgminer to use this type of pool correctly and efficiently is already possible with existing tools and some know how.
The host system should ideally be connected to a VPN with Tor running through it. The user should create a new dedicated wallet.
Linux users could use proxychains - http://proxychains.sourceforge.net/ - http://proxychainsgui.sourceforge.net/ to route traffic via the Tor network.
Windows and Mac users could use ProxyCap - http://www.proxycap.com/ - or 'Proxifier' - http://www.proxifier.com/
Here is an example of minerd running directly through Tor on the localhost machine via 'Proxifier'.
Proxifier > Profile >
Proxy Servers:
Address:Port : Type
Proxification Rules:
Applications: minerd.exe or sgminer.exe
Target Hosts: as P2pool address or .onion address
Target Ports: as P2pool port
Action: Proxy from Proxy Servers i.e. Tor on localhost (127.0.0.1) Socks5 (9150 TBB or 9050)
Name Resolution:
Proxifier DNS Settings: Resolve hostnames through proxy (only i.e. Tor) to avoid DNS leaks.
...
Paid for solutions are obviously not ideal in terms of a users privacy. If I'm not mistaken the original stand alone Stratum protocol had support for Tor / Proxy connectivity ?? using;
--socks PROXY - Use socks5 proxy for upstream Stratum connection, specify as host:port
--tor - Configure proxy to mine over Tor (requires Tor running on local machine)
However, windows (particularly version 7) is notoriously bad at forwarding and has issues with DNS leaks etc. This is something to implement fully into new (free) darkcoin mining tools across all platforms.
...
Initial testing has shown that the any loss of accepted shares / work etc. is in fact almost completely negligible with out-of-the-box settings. However, their are some tricks and configurations, both server side and client side, that can be implemented to increase throughput and connectivity.
New P2pool's running on Tor .onion addresses is the first requirement. I'm OK with doing the node hosting and Tor set-up if any experienced Darkcoin P2pool operators want in or to help implement this. Just waiting for Darksend to officially kick-in and for the latest P2pool code to be trusted as stable pending the fork. Anyone else with good knowledge of tcp http address obfuscation and scrubbing ?
Ownership of Darkcoins by the process of mining is still potentially traceable on the blockchain and it is therefore possible for an adversary to identify you at the point of spend. For example;
- Registering and mining in a pool could allow an adversary to link your wallet address to your IP address and/or email address to identify you. (Darkcoin pools should implement strong https encryption to help to avoid this - at least 2048-bit or 4096-bit - Self-Signed certs. or even using free certs. like CAcert.org are preferable to having no SSL at all).
- When mining in the pool you are identifiable as being in a sub-set of user accounts due to the tcp http pool address and info. being sent in plain text.
- P2pool users addresses are shown by 'default' and should at least be obfuscated on a pools static pages.
- Changes in a Darkcoin wallet balance at the point of spend could potentially be used to link a transaction to a purchase, given the above.
Darksend obviously makes these examples much more difficult for an adversary to establish and is an improvement on Bitcoins blockchain technology in terms of a users privacy and anonymity.
What we need next is to implement Dark mining.
This can actually be done already by using existing privacy tools and by making all Darkcoin users more aware of what they can do as a community.
We also need to develop some new tools to make this as easy as possible for all Darkcoin users. In fact, the more people that adopt these techniques the better:
"you can't be anonymous by yourself" !
A good way to go about this would be to build and use P2pool's running as dual stack nodes through Tor network .onion addresses.
Setting minerd or sgminer to use this type of pool correctly and efficiently is already possible with existing tools and some know how.
The host system should ideally be connected to a VPN with Tor running through it. The user should create a new dedicated wallet.
Linux users could use proxychains - http://proxychains.sourceforge.net/ - http://proxychainsgui.sourceforge.net/ to route traffic via the Tor network.
Windows and Mac users could use ProxyCap - http://www.proxycap.com/ - or 'Proxifier' - http://www.proxifier.com/
Here is an example of minerd running directly through Tor on the localhost machine via 'Proxifier'.
Proxifier > Profile >
Proxy Servers:
Address:Port : Type
Proxification Rules:
Applications: minerd.exe or sgminer.exe
Target Hosts: as P2pool address or .onion address
Target Ports: as P2pool port
Action: Proxy from Proxy Servers i.e. Tor on localhost (127.0.0.1) Socks5 (9150 TBB or 9050)
Name Resolution:
Proxifier DNS Settings: Resolve hostnames through proxy (only i.e. Tor) to avoid DNS leaks.
...
Paid for solutions are obviously not ideal in terms of a users privacy. If I'm not mistaken the original stand alone Stratum protocol had support for Tor / Proxy connectivity ?? using;
--socks PROXY - Use socks5 proxy for upstream Stratum connection, specify as host:port
--tor - Configure proxy to mine over Tor (requires Tor running on local machine)
However, windows (particularly version 7) is notoriously bad at forwarding and has issues with DNS leaks etc. This is something to implement fully into new (free) darkcoin mining tools across all platforms.
...
Initial testing has shown that the any loss of accepted shares / work etc. is in fact almost completely negligible with out-of-the-box settings. However, their are some tricks and configurations, both server side and client side, that can be implemented to increase throughput and connectivity.
New P2pool's running on Tor .onion addresses is the first requirement. I'm OK with doing the node hosting and Tor set-up if any experienced Darkcoin P2pool operators want in or to help implement this. Just waiting for Darksend to officially kick-in and for the latest P2pool code to be trusted as stable pending the fork. Anyone else with good knowledge of tcp http address obfuscation and scrubbing ?
Posts like this one are the reason why I keep coming back to bitcointalk. I understand it only partially and I barely mine, but I've saved it in my computer. Thanks
May 24, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
Some advice: If you're one of the people that just dumped for no reason other than to follow the whales bait, I suggest you take a break from trading these coins.
Ask yourself this: Did your sell secure profits relative to Bitcoin? If so then you have won, you just haven't won as much as you could have.
Stop and take a break.
If you dumped and lost money, well I'm not sure what to say.
what about if your advise to hold is wrong?Ask yourself this: Did your sell secure profits relative to Bitcoin? If so then you have won, you just haven't won as much as you could have.
Stop and take a break.
If you dumped and lost money, well I'm not sure what to say.
will u pay me back personally if i will hold, bear trap will finish and i will loose? will u? if not so keep ur advise for yourselves, because u behave as bankster:) people still can decide what is better for them, ur advise is for ur profitsHe just gave you a good advise.
Obvious bear trap is obvious bear trap. If you want to sell, sell near peaks.
If you can't be bothered with charts, just stay long term and lock profits if you must.
Most important, beware trolls.
May 24, 2014, 11:20:42 AM
hey guys, do you have any USD<> DRK exchange ?
vault of satoshi, Canada and South Carolina (USA)
otherwise coinbase > btc > exchange
May 24, 2014, 11:19:42 AM
Some advice: If you're one of the people that just dumped for no reason other than to follow the whales bait, I suggest you take a break from trading these coins.
Ask yourself this: Did your sell secure profits relative to Bitcoin? If so then you have won, you just haven't won as much as you could have.
Stop and take a break.
If you dumped and lost money, well I'm not sure what to say.
Ask yourself this: Did your sell secure profits relative to Bitcoin? If so then you have won, you just haven't won as much as you could have.
Stop and take a break.
If you dumped and lost money, well I'm not sure what to say.
what about if your advise to hold is wrong?
will u pay me back personally if i will hold, bear trap will finish and i will loose? will u? if not so keep ur advise for yourselves, because u behave as bankster:) people still can decide what is better for them, ur advise is for ur profitsyeah keep your advice for yourself !
May 24, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6335710
My vote in bold - some will know I think fair value at the moment is DRK @ $100m
May 24, 2014, 11:18:06 AM
I wanna buy some Darkcoins, it seems like a great long-term investment. I'm a little bit of a noob though, so forgive my stupid questions:
1. What is this thing about a fork, and updating wallets? I wanna make a paper wallet at paper.darkcoin.io, will my darkcoins be safe with a paper wallet?
2. What is the best place to trade bitcoins for darkcoins? I was thinking trading some bitcoins for darkcoins, sending the DRK to the paper wallet's public address, then make a new bitcoin paper wallet too, since I will have used the private key to do the trade.
1. What is this thing about a fork, and updating wallets? I wanna make a paper wallet at paper.darkcoin.io, will my darkcoins be safe with a paper wallet?
2. What is the best place to trade bitcoins for darkcoins? I was thinking trading some bitcoins for darkcoins, sending the DRK to the paper wallet's public address, then make a new bitcoin paper wallet too, since I will have used the private key to do the trade.
May 24, 2014, 11:13:08 AM
Some advice: If you're one of the people that just dumped for no reason other than to follow the whales bait, I suggest you take a break from trading these coins.
Ask yourself this: Did your sell secure profits relative to Bitcoin? If so then you have won, you just haven't won as much as you could have.
Stop and take a break.
If you dumped and lost money, well I'm not sure what to say.
Ask yourself this: Did your sell secure profits relative to Bitcoin? If so then you have won, you just haven't won as much as you could have.
Stop and take a break.
If you dumped and lost money, well I'm not sure what to say.
what about if your advise to hold is wrong?
will u pay me back personally if i will hold, bear trap will finish and i will loose? will u? if not so keep ur advise for yourselves, because u behave as bankster:) people still can decide what is better for them, ur advise is for ur profits May 24, 2014, 11:08:07 AM
Some advice: If you're one of the people that just dumped for no reason other than to follow the whales bait, I suggest you take a break from trading these coins.
Ask yourself this: Did your sell secure profits relative to Bitcoin? If so then you have won, you just haven't won as much as you could have.
Stop and take a break.
If you dumped and lost money, well I'm not sure what to say.
Ask yourself this: Did your sell secure profits relative to Bitcoin? If so then you have won, you just haven't won as much as you could have.
Stop and take a break.
If you dumped and lost money, well I'm not sure what to say.
May 24, 2014, 11:08:05 AM
Litecoin voting on adding anonymity to copy Darkcoin.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and an admission of 'WTF shall we do when they've got all that innovation going on'?
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19955.0
Vertcoin - lets do privacy
Litecoin - lets do privacy
Bitcoin - we should think about doing privacy
Darkcoin - Now we got privacy, lets build on that and innovate some more.
I hope Evan is capable of working faster than litecoin and vertcoin devs .
Back in 2012, Litecoin has seen no improvements since it was released...
May 24, 2014, 11:07:52 AM
I'm off to bed. Look forward to new highs tomorrow. Masternode payments begin in less than 24 hours!
May 24, 2014, 11:06:46 AM
So, Darksend is upon us - we still need to think about end-to-end privacy and this is something that is mostly up to the end user.
Ownership of Darkcoins by the process of mining is still potentially traceable on the blockchain and it is therefore possible for an adversary to identify you at the point of spend. For example;
- Registering and mining in a pool could allow an adversary to link your wallet address to your IP address and/or email address to identify you. (Darkcoin pools should implement strong https encryption to help to avoid this - at least 2048-bit or 4096-bit - Self-Signed certs. or even using free certs. like CAcert.org are preferable to having no SSL at all).
- When mining in the pool you are identifiable as being in a sub-set of user accounts due to the tcp http pool address and info. being sent in plain text.
- P2pool users addresses are shown by 'default' and should at least be obfuscated on a pools static pages.
- Changes in a Darkcoin wallet balance at the point of spend could potentially be used to link a transaction to a purchase, given the above.
Darksend obviously makes these examples much more difficult for an adversary to establish and is an improvement on Bitcoins blockchain technology in terms of a users privacy and anonymity.
What we need next is to implement Dark mining.
This can actually be done already by using existing privacy tools and by making all Darkcoin users more aware of what they can do as a community.
We also need to develop some new tools to make this as easy as possible for all Darkcoin users. In fact, the more people that adopt these techniques the better:
"you can't be anonymous by yourself" !
A good way to go about this would be to build and use P2pool's running as dual stack nodes through Tor network .onion addresses.
Setting minerd or sgminer to use this type of pool correctly and efficiently is already possible with existing tools and some know how.
The host system should ideally be connected to a VPN with Tor running through it. The user should create a new dedicated wallet.
Linux users could use proxychains - http://proxychains.sourceforge.net/ - http://proxychainsgui.sourceforge.net/ to route traffic via the Tor network.
Windows and Mac users could use ProxyCap - http://www.proxycap.com/ - or 'Proxifier' - http://www.proxifier.com/
Here is an example of minerd running directly through Tor on the localhost machine via 'Proxifier'.
Proxifier > Profile >
Proxy Servers:
Address:Port : Type
Proxification Rules:
Applications: minerd.exe or sgminer.exe
Target Hosts: as P2pool address or .onion address
Target Ports: as P2pool port
Action: Proxy from Proxy Servers i.e. Tor on localhost (127.0.0.1) Socks5 (9150 TBB or 9050)
Name Resolution:
Proxifier DNS Settings: Resolve hostnames through proxy (only i.e. Tor) to avoid DNS leaks.
...
Paid for solutions are obviously not ideal in terms of a users privacy. If I'm not mistaken the original stand alone Stratum protocol had support for Tor / Proxy connectivity ?? using;
--socks PROXY - Use socks5 proxy for upstream Stratum connection, specify as host:port
--tor - Configure proxy to mine over Tor (requires Tor running on local machine)
However, windows (particularly version 7) is notoriously bad at forwarding and has issues with DNS leaks etc. This is something to implement fully into new (free) darkcoin mining tools across all platforms.
...
Initial testing has shown that any loss of accepted shares / work etc. is in fact almost completely negligible with out-of-the-box settings. However, their are some tricks and configurations, both server side and client side, that can be implemented to increase throughput and connectivity.
New P2pool's running on Tor .onion addresses is the first requirement. I'm OK with doing the node hosting and Tor set-up if any experienced Darkcoin P2pool operators want in or to help implement this. Just waiting for Darksend to officially kick-in and for the latest P2pool code to be trusted as stable pending the fork. Anyone else with good knowledge of tcp http address obfuscation and scrubbing ?
Ownership of Darkcoins by the process of mining is still potentially traceable on the blockchain and it is therefore possible for an adversary to identify you at the point of spend. For example;
- Registering and mining in a pool could allow an adversary to link your wallet address to your IP address and/or email address to identify you. (Darkcoin pools should implement strong https encryption to help to avoid this - at least 2048-bit or 4096-bit - Self-Signed certs. or even using free certs. like CAcert.org are preferable to having no SSL at all).
- When mining in the pool you are identifiable as being in a sub-set of user accounts due to the tcp http pool address and info. being sent in plain text.
- P2pool users addresses are shown by 'default' and should at least be obfuscated on a pools static pages.
- Changes in a Darkcoin wallet balance at the point of spend could potentially be used to link a transaction to a purchase, given the above.
Darksend obviously makes these examples much more difficult for an adversary to establish and is an improvement on Bitcoins blockchain technology in terms of a users privacy and anonymity.
What we need next is to implement Dark mining.
This can actually be done already by using existing privacy tools and by making all Darkcoin users more aware of what they can do as a community.
We also need to develop some new tools to make this as easy as possible for all Darkcoin users. In fact, the more people that adopt these techniques the better:
"you can't be anonymous by yourself" !
A good way to go about this would be to build and use P2pool's running as dual stack nodes through Tor network .onion addresses.
Setting minerd or sgminer to use this type of pool correctly and efficiently is already possible with existing tools and some know how.
The host system should ideally be connected to a VPN with Tor running through it. The user should create a new dedicated wallet.
Linux users could use proxychains - http://proxychains.sourceforge.net/ - http://proxychainsgui.sourceforge.net/ to route traffic via the Tor network.
Windows and Mac users could use ProxyCap - http://www.proxycap.com/ - or 'Proxifier' - http://www.proxifier.com/
Here is an example of minerd running directly through Tor on the localhost machine via 'Proxifier'.
Proxifier > Profile >
Proxy Servers:
Address:Port : Type
Proxification Rules:
Applications: minerd.exe or sgminer.exe
Target Hosts: as P2pool address or .onion address
Target Ports: as P2pool port
Action: Proxy from Proxy Servers i.e. Tor on localhost (127.0.0.1) Socks5 (9150 TBB or 9050)
Name Resolution:
Proxifier DNS Settings: Resolve hostnames through proxy (only i.e. Tor) to avoid DNS leaks.
...
Paid for solutions are obviously not ideal in terms of a users privacy. If I'm not mistaken the original stand alone Stratum protocol had support for Tor / Proxy connectivity ?? using;
--socks PROXY - Use socks5 proxy for upstream Stratum connection, specify as host:port
--tor - Configure proxy to mine over Tor (requires Tor running on local machine)
However, windows (particularly version 7) is notoriously bad at forwarding and has issues with DNS leaks etc. This is something to implement fully into new (free) darkcoin mining tools across all platforms.
...
Initial testing has shown that any loss of accepted shares / work etc. is in fact almost completely negligible with out-of-the-box settings. However, their are some tricks and configurations, both server side and client side, that can be implemented to increase throughput and connectivity.
New P2pool's running on Tor .onion addresses is the first requirement. I'm OK with doing the node hosting and Tor set-up if any experienced Darkcoin P2pool operators want in or to help implement this. Just waiting for Darksend to officially kick-in and for the latest P2pool code to be trusted as stable pending the fork. Anyone else with good knowledge of tcp http address obfuscation and scrubbing ?
May 24, 2014, 11:04:20 AM
DRK is heavily manipulated by whale. Let's weak hands sell so we can have more DRK 
Look at the order depth is really amusing. Exact the opposite from the pump yesterday.
My prediction: DRK will go to lower than 0.018 today. Prepare your BTC to buy, friends.
Look at the order depth is really amusing. Exact the opposite from the pump yesterday.
My prediction: DRK will go to lower than 0.018 today. Prepare your BTC to buy, friends.
It will be a great time to get DRK cheaply.
As far as those who mention catching a falling knife. I've been involved in about a dozen of these pumps-and-dumps including DRK in earlier cases. Each one says the same thing: "This coin is different.This coin has great fundamentals. This coin has a great active development staff." Then the coin gets pumped and dumped and you have so many bagholders.
But DRK seems different to me. It seems as though whenever a whale sells a lot there is an even bigger whale there to support the price.
Exactly. DRK is the first alt which truly stand out. Look at the top 100 richest wallet, the most of them are buying more. If the whales don't fear, should we?
This is one of the best posts I've seen on any coin. Sometimes the obvious escapes those who are new to the game so it's good that you've given everyone this nugget of investment advice.
Most top wallets are exchanges:)
How many DRK was mined in first few hours? Did they sold it already or not yet?
May 24, 2014, 11:02:22 AM
Everyone please sell so I can get some more. Thanks
May 24, 2014, 10:59:29 AM
May 24, 2014, 10:55:55 AM
I could see bitcoin being used for its visibility. Maybe even build in some accounting and record keeping features. Then it is fit for business as a "self-documenting" currency. For general purpose use, an anonymous coin is needed but when someone does want their transactions recorded, they could use bitcoin. Now that anonymity is available, who cares how bitcoin presents itself to the authorities.
May 24, 2014, 10:51:18 AM
hey guys, do you have any USD<> DRK exchange ?
May 24, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
DRK is heavily manipulated by whale. Let's weak hands sell so we can have more DRK
Look at the order depth is really amusing. Exact the opposite from the pump yesterday.
My prediction: DRK will go to lower than 0.018 today. Prepare your BTC to buy, friends.
Look at the order depth is really amusing. Exact the opposite from the pump yesterday.
My prediction: DRK will go to lower than 0.018 today. Prepare your BTC to buy, friends.
It will be a great time to get DRK cheaply.
As far as those who mention catching a falling knife. I've been involved in about a dozen of these pumps-and-dumps including DRK in earlier cases. Each one says the same thing: "This coin is different.This coin has great fundamentals. This coin has a great active development staff." Then the coin gets pumped and dumped and you have so many bagholders.
But DRK seems different to me. It seems as though whenever a whale sells a lot there is an even bigger whale there to support the price.
Exactly. DRK is the first alt which truly stand out. Look at the top 100 richest wallet, the most of them are buying more. If the whales don't fear, should we?
This is one of the best posts I've seen on any coin. Sometimes the obvious escapes those who are new to the game so it's good that you've given everyone this nugget of investment advice.
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