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Quote from: coins101 on May 19, 2014, 10:48:15 AM

Anybody seen the similarities between the blackcoin and darkcoin graph? Shape is exactly the same, but darkcoin is trailing a bit.

Though I do not hope this, price will probably drop soon to around $2-3

Not really the same ...

Zoom out to show all time graphs

looks like you need glasses !

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Quote from: camosoul on May 19, 2014, 10:43:22 AM

Quote from: lohveh on May 19, 2014, 10:37:37 AM

Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on May 19, 2014, 09:55:51 AM

Competition watch... Any comments on the new Zerocash paper and how it compares and contrasts with Darkcoin? Is it looking more or less of a threat to our rightful world domination?

Zerocash carries a level of trust that Darkcoin does not. If I remember correctly, all transactions are encrypted and the key to those encrypted transactions are given to a third party to destroy.

There are 2 Huge risks with Zerocash.

1) The third party might not destroy the key and thus know all activity on the blockchain(making it not anonymous)

2) The government or a company/individual figures out a way to see all the encrypted information on the blockchain, especially with more advanced computers and quantum computers coming out etc.

1) Wrong. Transactions would still be anonymous, however, if they did not destroy the seed key then that key could be used to spawn unlimited amounts of Zerocash - without anybody being able to tell. There could be endless mintage and nobody would know.

2) Potentially correct, the encryption is bleeding edge and has not been as extensively tested as the encryption scheme used in Darkcoin.

#1 alone is a deal breaker for me.

The original work was also funded by the US Military or Navy, i.e. the US Government which said that it doesn't allow the NSA to spy on anyone that is a friend.

hmmmmm....

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Acknowledgements. We thank Stephen Checkoway, George
Danezis, and the anonymous reviewers for their helpful
comments. The research in this paper was supported in part
by the Ofﬁce of Naval Research under contract N00014-11-
1-0470, and DARPA and the Air Force Research Laboratory
(AFRL) under contract FA8750-11-2-0211.

http://spar.isi.jhu.edu/~mgreen/ZerocoinOakland.pdf

That scares me ...

I wouldn't say it scares me. It just tells me that the enemy of all that is good and decent is in bed with it, so it cannot be trusted. This makes it absolutely the LEAST trustworthy thing in crypto, ever. I'd buy into any number of shitcoins before I trusted something funded by a government. Especially the USA government, holy crap... I can't believe anyone with an IQ above room temperature would even look in the direction of something like this. Trust that they key was destroyed, guv was in on it, sure... That combination is a guarantee that the key was not and never will be destroyed. It's not even a maybe...

+1

Also, the new Zerocash paper is out, a bit of night time reading later.

That is also funded by the US government

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This work was supported by: Amazon.com through an AWS in Education research grant; the
Broadcom Foundation and Tel Aviv University Authentication Initiative; the Center for Science of
Information (CSoI), an NSF Science and Technology Center, under grant agreement CCF-0939370;
the Check Point Institute for Information Security; the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects
Agency (DARPA) and the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) under contract FA8750-11-2-0211;
the European Community's Seventh Framework Programme (FP7/2007-2013) under grant agreement
number 240258; the Israeli Centers of Research Excellence I-CORE program (center 4/11); the Israeli
Ministry of Science and Technology; the Oce of Naval Research under contract N00014-11-1-0470;
the Simons Foundation, with a Simons Award for Graduate Students in Theoretical Computer
Science; and the Skolkovo Foundation with agreement dated 10/26/2011.
The views expressed are those of the authors and do not re
ect the ocial policy or position of the
Department of Defense or the U.S. Government.

http://zerocash-project.org/media/pdf/zerocash-extended-20140518.pdf

It's absolutely fucking insane that zerocash would even be a consideration for anyone, anywhere, ever, with this level of government involvement int he project.

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Quote from: camosoul on May 19, 2014, 10:43:22 AM

Quote from: lohveh on May 19, 2014, 10:37:37 AM

Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on May 19, 2014, 09:55:51 AM

Competition watch... Any comments on the new Zerocash paper and how it compares and contrasts with Darkcoin? Is it looking more or less of a threat to our rightful world domination?

Zerocash carries a level of trust that Darkcoin does not. If I remember correctly, all transactions are encrypted and the key to those encrypted transactions are given to a third party to destroy.

There are 2 Huge risks with Zerocash.

1) The third party might not destroy the key and thus know all activity on the blockchain(making it not anonymous)

2) The government or a company/individual figures out a way to see all the encrypted information on the blockchain, especially with more advanced computers and quantum computers coming out etc.

1) Wrong. Transactions would still be anonymous, however, if they did not destroy the seed key then that key could be used to spawn unlimited amounts of Zerocash - without anybody being able to tell. There could be endless mintage and nobody would know.

2) Potentially correct, the encryption is bleeding edge and has not been as extensively tested as the encryption scheme used in Darkcoin.

#1 alone is a deal breaker for me.

The original work was also funded by the US Military or Navy, i.e. the US Government which said that it doesn't allow the NSA to spy on anyone that is a friend.

hmmmmm....

Quote

Acknowledgements. We thank Stephen Checkoway, George
Danezis, and the anonymous reviewers for their helpful
comments. The research in this paper was supported in part
by the Ofﬁce of Naval Research under contract N00014-11-
1-0470, and DARPA and the Air Force Research Laboratory
(AFRL) under contract FA8750-11-2-0211.

http://spar.isi.jhu.edu/~mgreen/ZerocoinOakland.pdf

That scares me ...

I wouldn't say it scares me. It just tells me that the enemy of all that is good and decent is in bed with it, so it cannot be trusted. This makes it absolutely the LEAST trustworthy thing in crypto, ever. I'd buy into any number of shitcoins before I trusted something funded by a government. Especially the USA government, holy crap... I can't believe anyone with an IQ above room temperature would even look in the direction of something like this. Trust that they key was destroyed, guv was in on it, sure... That combination is a guarantee that the key was not and never will be destroyed. It's not even a maybe...

+1

Also, the new Zerocash paper is out, a bit of night time reading later.

That is also funded by the US government

Quote

This work was supported by: Amazon.com through an AWS in Education research grant; the
Broadcom Foundation and Tel Aviv University Authentication Initiative; the Center for Science of
Information (CSoI), an NSF Science and Technology Center, under grant agreement CCF-0939370;
the Check Point Institute for Information Security; the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects
Agency (DARPA) and the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) under contract FA8750-11-2-0211;
the European Community's Seventh Framework Programme (FP7/2007-2013) under grant agreement
number 240258; the Israeli Centers of Research Excellence I-CORE program (center 4/11); the Israeli
Ministry of Science and Technology; the Oce of Naval Research under contract N00014-11-1-0470;
the Simons Foundation, with a Simons Award for Graduate Students in Theoretical Computer
Science; and the Skolkovo Foundation with agreement dated 10/26/2011.
The views expressed are those of the authors and do not re
ect the ocial policy or position of the
Department of Defense or the U.S. Government.

http://zerocash-project.org/media/pdf/zerocash-extended-20140518.pdf

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I have spoken with someone at cryptsy. Its not their fault. They are trying to fix a problem where multiple layered TX id's arent registering all the payments within that block. They are working on it, its just a itsy bitsy problem but they have closed deposits just as precaution. Nothing to worry about

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Quote from: blueforever on May 19, 2014, 10:44:18 AM

Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on May 19, 2014, 10:38:12 AM

Why is no-one doing arbitrage between MintPal & Cryptsy? They've been around 5% apart for hours.

Cryptsy wallet is down. Deposits have stopped going through for hours.

Again, Cryptsy should not have the #1 listing on the OP, we're funneling people into a trap by having it there. I quit using it a while ago. Cryptsy does strange things; both unreliable and shady. I'm not clowning on Cryptsy, the facts are the facts. I'm concerned that it makes us look bad and makes it hard for people to trade when we point them to a failexchange right off the top of the list. It sucks for DRK.

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Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on May 19, 2014, 10:38:12 AM

Why is no-one doing arbitrage between MintPal & Cryptsy? They've been around 5% apart for hours.

Cryptsy wallet is down. Deposits have stopped going through for hours.

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Quote from: coins101 on May 19, 2014, 10:33:53 AM

Quote from: DubFX on May 19, 2014, 10:16:51 AM

Quote from: Citrate on May 19, 2014, 10:14:34 AM

Quote from: Citrate on May 18, 2014, 03:23:07 PM

7 Day Campaign.

Mens and womens styles available, as well as hoodies for winter and tanks for summer.

http://teespring.com/darkcoin

Many more available

Who would wear shirt with darkcoin logo on it when point of this is to be anonymous? Grin

Just joking.

That is actually someone wearing the t-shirt. If you notice, they are invisible. Grin

GRANDE. COIN101 Wink

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Quote from: lohveh on May 19, 2014, 10:37:37 AM

Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on May 19, 2014, 09:55:51 AM

Competition watch... Any comments on the new Zerocash paper and how it compares and contrasts with Darkcoin? Is it looking more or less of a threat to our rightful world domination?

Zerocash carries a level of trust that Darkcoin does not. If I remember correctly, all transactions are encrypted and the key to those encrypted transactions are given to a third party to destroy.

There are 2 Huge risks with Zerocash.

1) The third party might not destroy the key and thus know all activity on the blockchain(making it not anonymous)

2) The government or a company/individual figures out a way to see all the encrypted information on the blockchain, especially with more advanced computers and quantum computers coming out etc.

1) Wrong. Transactions would still be anonymous, however, if they did not destroy the seed key then that key could be used to spawn unlimited amounts of Zerocash - without anybody being able to tell. There could be endless mintage and nobody would know.

2) Potentially correct, the encryption is bleeding edge and has not been as extensively tested as the encryption scheme used in Darkcoin.

#1 alone is a deal breaker for me.

The original work was also funded by the US Military or Navy, i.e. the US Government which said that it doesn't allow the NSA to spy on anyone that is a friend.

hmmmmm....

Quote

Acknowledgements. We thank Stephen Checkoway, George
Danezis, and the anonymous reviewers for their helpful
comments. The research in this paper was supported in part
by the Ofﬁce of Naval Research under contract N00014-11-
1-0470, and DARPA and the Air Force Research Laboratory
(AFRL) under contract FA8750-11-2-0211.

http://spar.isi.jhu.edu/~mgreen/ZerocoinOakland.pdf

That scares me ...

I wouldn't say it scares me. It just tells me that the enemy of all that is good and decent is in bed with it, so it cannot be trusted. This makes it absolutely the LEAST trustworthy thing in crypto, ever. I'd buy into any number of shitcoins before I trusted something funded by a government. Especially the USA government, holy crap... I can't believe anyone with an IQ above room temperature would even look in the direction of something like this. Trust that they key was destroyed, guv was in on it, sure... That combination is a guarantee that the key was not and never will be destroyed. It's not even a maybe...

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Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on May 19, 2014, 10:38:12 AM

Why is no-one doing arbitrage between MintPal & Cryptsy? They've been around 5% apart for hours.

Cryptsy is giving me hell in depositing DRKs today. Don't know why. Pending for houuuuuuurs. It's site is also very slow and unresponsive. By the time you place an order to fill an existing order, that offer is gone.

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i have not think the dark could reach this price...suprized

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Why is no-one doing arbitrage between MintPal & Cryptsy? They've been around 5% apart for hours.

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Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on May 19, 2014, 09:55:51 AM

Competition watch... Any comments on the new Zerocash paper and how it compares and contrasts with Darkcoin? Is it looking more or less of a threat to our rightful world domination?

Zerocash carries a level of trust that Darkcoin does not. If I remember correctly, all transactions are encrypted and the key to those encrypted transactions are given to a third party to destroy.

There are 2 Huge risks with Zerocash.

1) The third party might not destroy the key and thus know all activity on the blockchain(making it not anonymous)

2) The government or a company/individual figures out a way to see all the encrypted information on the blockchain, especially with more advanced computers and quantum computers coming out etc.

1) Wrong. Transactions would still be anonymous, however, if they did not destroy the seed key then that key could be used to spawn unlimited amounts of Zerocash - without anybody being able to tell. There could be endless mintage and nobody would know.

2) Potentially correct, the encryption is bleeding edge and has not been as extensively tested as the encryption scheme used in Darkcoin.

#1 alone is a deal breaker for me.

The original work was also funded by the US Military or Navy, i.e. the US Government which said that it doesn't allow the NSA to spy on anyone that is a friend.

hmmmmm....

Quote

Acknowledgements. We thank Stephen Checkoway, George
Danezis, and the anonymous reviewers for their helpful
comments. The research in this paper was supported in part
by the Ofﬁce of Naval Research under contract N00014-11-
1-0470, and DARPA and the Air Force Research Laboratory
(AFRL) under contract FA8750-11-2-0211.

http://spar.isi.jhu.edu/~mgreen/ZerocoinOakland.pdf

That scares me ...

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Quote from: Citrate on May 19, 2014, 10:14:34 AM

Quote from: Citrate on May 18, 2014, 03:23:07 PM

7 Day Campaign.

Mens and womens styles available, as well as hoodies for winter and tanks for summer.

http://teespring.com/darkcoin

Many more available

No payment in bitcoin or darkcoin ?

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Quote from: TsuyokuNaritai on May 19, 2014, 09:55:51 AM

Competition watch... Any comments on the new Zerocash paper and how it compares and contrasts with Darkcoin? Is it looking more or less of a threat to our rightful world domination?

Zerocash carries a level of trust that Darkcoin does not. If I remember correctly, all transactions are encrypted and the key to those encrypted transactions are given to a third party to destroy.

There are 2 Huge risks with Zerocash.

1) The third party might not destroy the key and thus know all activity on the blockchain(making it not anonymous)

2) The government or a company/individual figures out a way to see all the encrypted information on the blockchain, especially with more advanced computers and quantum computers coming out etc.

1) Wrong. Transactions would still be anonymous, however, if they did not destroy the seed key then that key could be used to spawn unlimited amounts of Zerocash - without anybody being able to tell. There could be endless mintage and nobody would know.

2) Potentially correct, the encryption is bleeding edge and has not been as extensively tested as the encryption scheme used in Darkcoin.

#1 alone is a deal breaker for me.

The original work was also funded by the US Military or Navy, i.e. the US Government which said that it doesn't allow the NSA to spy on anyone that is a friend.

hmmmmm....

Quote

Acknowledgements. We thank Stephen Checkoway, George
Danezis, and the anonymous reviewers for their helpful
comments. The research in this paper was supported in part
by the Ofﬁce of Naval Research under contract N00014-11-
1-0470, and DARPA and the Air Force Research Laboratory
(AFRL) under contract FA8750-11-2-0211.

http://spar.isi.jhu.edu/~mgreen/ZerocoinOakland.pdf

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Quote from: NorrisK on May 19, 2014, 10:32:29 AM

Quote from: lohveh on May 19, 2014, 10:31:06 AM

Quote from: camosoul on May 19, 2014, 10:27:31 AM

Anybody seen the similarities between the blackcoin and darkcoin graph? Shape is exactly the same, but darkcoin is trailing a bit.

Though I do not hope this, price will probably drop soon to around $2-3

Not really the same ...

Zoom out to show all time graphs

BC rise : 1day @90k
DRK rise : 4 days between 0.01 and 0.015 with some stabilization

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Quote from: DubFX on May 19, 2014, 10:16:51 AM

Anybody seen the similarities between the blackcoin and darkcoin graph? Shape is exactly the same, but darkcoin is trailing a bit.

Though I do not hope this, price will probably drop soon to around $2-3

It can only be attributable to stupid people getting the names mixed up... BC is total crap.

oh no! It's because there so similar.....it's.... "The battle of the shade coins", remember??

That reminds me, need to hedge my bets as if it's not one shade, it'll be another.

WTB 500,000 Whitecoin.

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Quote from: Citrate on May 19, 2014, 10:14:34 AM

Quote from: Citrate on May 18, 2014, 03:23:07 PM

7 Day Campaign.

Mens and womens styles available, as well as hoodies for winter and tanks for summer.

http://teespring.com/darkcoin

Many more available

Who would wear shirt with darkcoin logo on it when point of this is to be anonymous? Grin

Just joking.

That is actually someone wearing the t-shirt. If you notice, they are invisible. Grin

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Quote from: lohveh on May 19, 2014, 10:31:06 AM