To the moon.To surpass the LTC.
Well, let's stay a bit realistic. I doubt that it will surpass LTC in a long time. No coin has.Even though DRK offers a lot of innovation, many people don't see that yet.
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May 10, 2014, 07:23:25 AM
Even though DRK offers a lot of innovation, many people don't see that yet.
May 10, 2014, 07:22:49 AM
Rather than dismissing your limitations, embrace them and improve. Masternodes requiring 1000% drk in exchange for 10% of future mining fees appeals to those of you who only seek profit. To the hackers/ adversaries/ tax departments/ NSA/ even just the suspicious, this solution is a joke.
What should you do? Make it better! Adopt ring signatures. Stay ahead of the curve or you will be left behind.
What should you do? Make it better! Adopt ring signatures. Stay ahead of the curve or you will be left behind.
I probably shouldn't bother as your mind is obviously made up that DarkSend is "a joke", but here goes...
1. If you have truly been following the thread you would know that ring signatures have been discussed for DarkSend V2.
2. Why not do it now? Well because you can't leave DarkSend in beta ad infinitum while Evan is continually trying to catch up to the "cutting edge". At some point it has to be open sourced and released - and when it is... it will the best open source, fully released anonymous cryptocoin solution at the time. If you know of any other anonymous coins that are not in alpha, beta, testing, brainstorming, or some other preliminary phase then point them out. AFAIK, there are none.
3. The 1000DRK held in stasis while you function as a masternode (and get 10% of mining reward) is a better solution than having the masternodes being able to be set up at no cost. Proof of stake while actually providing a service i.e. Proof of Service. DRK will be one of the first coins with this feature.
4. Stop with the naivety in thinking that just because the NSA has "infinite" money that they can click their heels three times and buy up all the DRK and own all the masternodes. To buy, you need people to sell - if the NSA tried this the coin price would go through the roof.
5. The NSA doesn't even care about DRK now and DarkSend would have to be a smash hit before they do. By that time there will likely be a few thousand masternodes forcing them to add all the more value to the coin to accumulate enough masternodes.
6. How much is "enough" anyway? Several rounds of DarkSend will be used by those really looking for anonymity. The NSA would need what -- 65%?, 80%? of all the masternodes to get information reliably. You only need to go through ONE clean node before you are anonymous. To get all the DRK for that, just how much money would they need to dump into the coin? That in turn would just make DRK more widely known - what are the effects of that?
I could continue, but I won't. You are drastically oversimplify things by saying "the NSA has a lot of money so therefore your solution of requiring 1000 DRK for masternodes is a joke". This is a very good solution for the time being, i.e. DarkSend V1. How it evolves after that point? Well that is unknown, but the main reason I invested in this coin is not because DarkSend per say, but because Evan is dedicated to improving the anonymous solution that will be used with Darkcoin now and in the future -- whether that takes us to ring signatures or something else entirely.
+1 Good write up JGCMiner.
I think we should expand FAQ sections on the first page, regarding common questions about the anonymity, such as Evan's answers to ac2 and other relevant information.
This was, we just point folks to a one place and don't write 10s of posts every time.
Everything has been answered, this is the best anonymity solution available at the moment, and improvements are on the way. All there is to it really.
May 10, 2014, 07:06:17 AM
To the moon.To surpass the LTC.
Well, let's stay a bit realistic. I doubt that it will surpass LTC in a long time. No coin has.Even though DRK offers a lot of innovation, many people don't see that yet.
Becuse the only thing LTC had better than BTC was 2.5 mins and ASIC resistance. Nothing else, nothing new.
DRK is LTC on steroids.
May 10, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
To the moon.To surpass the LTC.
Well, let's stay a bit realistic. I doubt that it will surpass LTC in a long time. No coin has.Even though DRK offers a lot of innovation, many people don't see that yet.
LTC is a dead duck.
May 10, 2014, 07:01:03 AM
To the moon.To surpass the LTC.
Well, let's stay a bit realistic. I doubt that it will surpass LTC in a long time. No coin has.Even though DRK offers a lot of innovation, many people don't see that yet.
May 10, 2014, 06:59:24 AM
NVIDIA miners can now mine X11 !!
http://cryptomining-blog.com/2361-new-ccminer-1-0-available-with-added-support-for-x11-mining/
This should go in the OP ASAP.
AND again, which wallet should I download 0.9.3.1 or the RC2? I dont plan to run a masternode. THANKS!
Both wallets work (on linux anyway), RC2 includes DarkSend beta functionality if you want to test that.
May 10, 2014, 06:59:06 AM
I'm pulling out of p2pool, which is a shame... I'm sure soon enough someone will patch it, and I'll be back.
In the meantime, if you love profits, I highly suggest the absolute best pool ever in existance.
It is one of the WORSE gui ever, very confusing. I dont know the operator, his english is weird, but he is a TOP notch dude. And the work he's done with this pool is nothing short of impressive. He´s always in IRC, nice constant news feed, I love it. I used it before x11, and now he's even added Badger coin! Autoswitching work like a dream. Nice stats all around, inbuilt profit calculators... Apart the hideous graphics, its the most impressive pool I've ever encountered.
Very confusing at first, but well worth the trouble
I'm not affiliated at all !
http://coinmine.pw
mind you, this is NOT the same coinmine.pl that has a nice piece of the DRK hashrate pie.
In the meantime, if you love profits, I highly suggest the absolute best pool ever in existance.
It is one of the WORSE gui ever, very confusing. I dont know the operator, his english is weird, but he is a TOP notch dude. And the work he's done with this pool is nothing short of impressive. He´s always in IRC, nice constant news feed, I love it. I used it before x11, and now he's even added Badger coin! Autoswitching work like a dream. Nice stats all around, inbuilt profit calculators... Apart the hideous graphics, its the most impressive pool I've ever encountered.
Very confusing at first, but well worth the trouble
I'm not affiliated at all !
http://coinmine.pw
mind you, this is NOT the same coinmine.pl that has a nice piece of the DRK hashrate pie.
May 10, 2014, 06:56:59 AM
I wouldnt call ac2 a troll, he made some points and we should look into it without calling him a troll. We should appreciate discussion more in that area. Even if he is not right (I cant prove his statements) he should not be treated like an idiot.
It is not the information he is presenting, it's how he is presenting it. I don't think he's an idiot, in fact, he is likely quite intelligent. The issue is he is emotionally and socially retarded which is what people were reacting to. I don't say that in a mean way, just an observation. This is one of the problem areas of cutting edge technology. Some of the most brilliant innovators don't have the social and/or emotional capabilities necessary to advance their technology in the real world.I have to agree, his earlier posts suggest this aswell. Yet he hasn't presented much facts backing up his claims either.
The dev from Monero was on poloniex flaming DRK and boasting his own coin.. I lost my interest there.. Shouldn't he be coding instead of consorting to cheap tactics?
That is not really what I look for when it comes to being behind a coin.
Dont flame criticism. As you may be aware of the crtitics from Annonymint have been very well funded and have been integrated into DRK after this. He was a big help to this project.
I welcomed annonymint being one of the first not to disregard him.
I would just like some more facts instead of flaming from this guy. So I am not flaming.
May 10, 2014, 06:55:40 AM
NVIDIA miners can now mine X11 !!
http://cryptomining-blog.com/2361-new-ccminer-1-0-available-with-added-support-for-x11-mining/
This should go in the OP ASAP.
AND again, which wallet should I download 0.9.3.1 or the RC2? I dont plan to run a masternode. THANKS!
May 10, 2014, 06:55:11 AM
2.8 MH on 780 Ti is impressive.
Not for ~£500 it isn't.
Yeah, but it is better than a 290x which is NOT what you'd expect. In gaming (since these are GPUs
) those two cards are about equal (780Ti maybe 5% faster) and for scrypt and sha256 -- Nvidia and AMD cards that are about equal for games meant that the AMD card was MUCH better at mining. So either than is not the case for x11 or the AMD GPU miner software is very poorly optimized. The new breed of Nvidia cards are actually really good in terms of hashrate/Watt. If 750ti cards produce 1.4MH per card, that's even better than expected since they only produce ~300kh in scrypt. And they consume around ~80W per card at load. Will be trying this for sure.
May 10, 2014, 06:51:32 AM
I wouldnt call ac2 a troll, he made some points and we should look into it without calling him a troll. We should appreciate discussion more in that area. Even if he is not right (I cant prove his statements) he should not be treated like an idiot.
It is not the information he is presenting, it's how he is presenting it. I don't think he's an idiot, in fact, he is likely quite intelligent. The issue is he is emotionally and socially retarded which is what people were reacting to. I don't say that in a mean way, just an observation. This is one of the problem areas of cutting edge technology. Some of the most brilliant innovators don't have the social and/or emotional capabilities necessary to advance their technology in the real world.I have to agree, his earlier posts suggest this aswell. Yet he hasn't presented much facts backing up his claims either.
The dev from Monero was on poloniex flaming DRK and boasting his own coin.. I lost my interest there.. Shouldn't he be coding instead of consorting to cheap tactics?
That is not really what I look for when it comes to being behind a coin.
Dont flame criticism. As you may be aware of the crtitics from Annonymint have been very well funded and have been integrated into DRK after this. He was a big help to this project.
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May 10, 2014, 06:49:14 AM
Why does dark need fork, what changes ? No info in 1st post..
To enable the proof of service part of the coin, in other words, for payments to the masternodes. People who setup up a masternode (requires 1000DRK to be held in stasis) get 10% of the mining reward. The masternodes will administrator DarkSend transactions which is this coin anonymity feature.
May 10, 2014, 06:45:41 AM
Why does dark need fork, what changes ? No info in 1st post..
All important announcement is posted at https://darkcointalk.org
FYI
https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc2-hard-fork-on-may-14th.357/
This is why !!
Here's the new schedule for development:
- RC2 (masternode payments, DGW3) : May 14th
- RC3 (1000 DRK limit and denominated change) : May 21st
- After this, I'll find someone to vet the code and open source.
- RC4 (Bugs, security issues)
- Testing, then opensource
- RC2 (masternode payments, DGW3) : May 14th
- RC3 (1000 DRK limit and denominated change) : May 21st
- After this, I'll find someone to vet the code and open source.
- RC4 (Bugs, security issues)
- Testing, then opensource
May 10, 2014, 06:39:29 AM
Why does dark need fork, what changes ? No info in 1st post..
May 10, 2014, 06:37:43 AM
I wouldnt call ac2 a troll, he made some points and we should look into it without calling him a troll. We should appreciate discussion more in that area. Even if he is not right (I cant prove his statements) he should not be treated like an idiot.
It is not the information he is presenting, it's how he is presenting it. I don't think he's an idiot, in fact, he is likely quite intelligent. The issue is he is emotionally and socially retarded which is what people were reacting to. I don't say that in a mean way, just an observation. This is one of the problem areas of cutting edge technology. Some of the most brilliant innovators don't have the social and/or emotional capabilities necessary to advance their technology in the real world.I have to agree, his earlier posts suggest this aswell. Yet he hasn't presented much facts backing up his claims either.
The dev from Monero was on poloniex flaming DRK and boasting his own coin.. I lost my interest there.. Shouldn't he be coding instead of consorting to cheap tactics?
That is not really what I look for when it comes to being behind a coin.
May 10, 2014, 06:36:18 AM
May 10, 2014, 06:27:15 AM
2.8 MH on 780 Ti is impressive.
Not for ~£500 it isn't.
Yeah, but it is better than a 290x which is NOT what you'd expect. In gaming (since these are GPUs
) those two cards are about equal (780Ti maybe 5% faster) and for scrypt and sha256 -- Nvidia and AMD cards that are about equal for games meant that the AMD card was MUCH better at mining. So either than is not the case for x11 or the AMD GPU miner software is very poorly optimized. May 10, 2014, 06:26:56 AM
2.8 MH on 780 Ti is impressive.
Not for ~£500 it isn't.
edit: haha - DRK network hashrate (estimate): 83.06 GH/s
LOL again. That would be history record. And rising
May 10, 2014, 06:25:25 AM
Rather than dismissing your limitations, embrace them and improve. Masternodes requiring 1000% drk in exchange for 10% of future mining fees appeals to those of you who only seek profit. To the hackers/ adversaries/ tax departments/ NSA/ even just the suspicious, this solution is a joke.
What should you do? Make it better! Adopt ring signatures. Stay ahead of the curve or you will be left behind.
What should you do? Make it better! Adopt ring signatures. Stay ahead of the curve or you will be left behind.
I probably shouldn't bother as your mind is obviously made up that DarkSend is "a joke", but here goes...
1. If you have truly been following the thread you would know that ring signatures have been discussed for DarkSend V2.
2. Why not do it now? Well because you can't leave DarkSend in beta ad infinitum while Evan is continually trying to catch up to the "cutting edge". At some point it has to be open sourced and released - and when it is... it will the best open source, fully released anonymous cryptocoin solution at the time. If you know of any other anonymous coins that are not in alpha, beta, testing, brainstorming, or some other preliminary phase then point them out. AFAIK, there are none.
3. The 1000DRK held in stasis while you function as a masternode (and get 10% of mining reward) is a better solution than having the masternodes being able to be set up at no cost. Proof of stake while actually providing a service i.e. Proof of Service. DRK will be one of the first coins with this feature.
4. Stop with the naivety in thinking that just because the NSA has "infinite" money that they can click their heels three times and buy up all the DRK and own all the masternodes. To buy, you need people to sell - if the NSA tried this the coin price would go through the roof.
5. The NSA doesn't even care about DRK now and DarkSend would have to be a smash hit before they do. By that time there will likely be a few thousand masternodes forcing them to add all the more value to the coin to accumulate enough masternodes.
6. How much is "enough" anyway? Several rounds of DarkSend will be used by those really looking for anonymity. The NSA would need what -- 65%?, 80%? of all the masternodes to get information reliably. You only need to go through ONE clean node before you are anonymous. To get all the DRK for that, just how much money would they need to dump into the coin? That in turn would just make DRK more widely known - what are the effects of that?
I could continue, but I won't. You are drastically oversimplify things by saying "the NSA has a lot of money so therefore your solution of requiring 1000 DRK for masternodes is a joke". This is a very good solution for the time being, i.e. DarkSend V1. How it evolves after that point? Well that is unknown, but the main reason I invested in this coin is not because DarkSend per say, but because Evan is dedicated to improving the anonymous solution that will be used with Darkcoin now and in the future -- whether that takes us to ring signatures or something else entirely.
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