That is why I believe that it is essential to keep it CPU only and prevent GPU mining as much as possible.
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Don't lose this niche. The type of distribution it encourages also fits the concept behind DRK much more nicely.
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February 12, 2014, 05:15:15 PM
+100
Don't lose this niche. The type of distribution it encourages also fits the concept behind DRK much more nicely.
February 12, 2014, 05:00:48 PM
As I said, entry level for efficient GPU mining is much higher than for CPU. It's possible to rent a couple of servers for CPU mining at affordable price or simply use available computers. No need to buy it all. Initial cost of GPU farm is pretty large (and yes, it includes CPU as well) and it must be placed somewhere. I wouldn't count power as important parameter as some regions have pretty low prices.
Also, as discussed previously, we are interested in mining power to be more distributed while with GPUs it gets more concentrated. I believe this would lead to price instability which, in its turn, suppresses effective use of the coin. Anyone, except speculators, wants this? The more stable the price, the more rapid adoption of the coin would be.
That is why I believe that it is essential to keep it CPU only and prevent GPU mining as much as possible.
Also, as discussed previously, we are interested in mining power to be more distributed while with GPUs it gets more concentrated. I believe this would lead to price instability which, in its turn, suppresses effective use of the coin. Anyone, except speculators, wants this? The more stable the price, the more rapid adoption of the coin would be.
That is why I believe that it is essential to keep it CPU only and prevent GPU mining as much as possible.
February 12, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
Yah, I'm just bummed because if this is so, they're not sharing 
But why should they?
But why should they? 
February 12, 2014, 04:03:50 PM
I really don't get the GPU hatred and the "for the few" argument. Most GPUs are cheaper than high-end i5/i7 etc (not to mention xeons) and used cards like 5850s/6870s with decent hashrates, can be found for 70-90 euros or near the 100 dollar mark. Their only problem is their power consumption and heat dissipation.
ASICs are really for the few (and Quantum Computers for even fewer). GPUs and CPUs, well, these are not. And it's better if everyone can have access to a gpu miner than someone mining selfishly with it.
As for the profitability, it will all depend on how accelerated it all becomes and whether the GPU is better suited for doing other coins, like scrypt. It's also a question of watts consumed per khash. If a cpu can consume, say, 30w and give 20% of what a 300w GPU can give, then the CPU is more power efficient and is well in the game with whatever hashrate it produces.
ASICs are really for the few (and Quantum Computers for even fewer). GPUs and CPUs, well, these are not. And it's better if everyone can have access to a gpu miner than someone mining selfishly with it.
As for the profitability, it will all depend on how accelerated it all becomes and whether the GPU is better suited for doing other coins, like scrypt. It's also a question of watts consumed per khash. If a cpu can consume, say, 30w and give 20% of what a 300w GPU can give, then the CPU is more power efficient and is well in the game with whatever hashrate it produces.
February 12, 2014, 03:19:25 PM
Argh, crap! Better make it unprofitable to mine on GPUs! Heed my call!
February 12, 2014, 02:45:01 PM
I would think that would cost a fortune. I think it's more likely that someone or several people have figured out the gpu miner and are keeping it to themselves.
February 12, 2014, 02:28:27 PM
Awesome InternetApe!
Yes, that's the right one Matt, you're all set!
Hammerhedd, I think it has something to do with the x-ll algorithm not being properly retrofitted, LOL. I'm no programmer, so I don't know how to expain
Yes, that's the right one Matt, you're all set!
Hammerhedd, I think it has something to do with the x-ll algorithm not being properly retrofitted, LOL. I'm no programmer, so I don't know how to expain
Cheers! much appreciated, good to know
February 12, 2014, 02:27:11 PM
Well, some people must have a GPU miner and aren't sharing over at dark.coinmine.pl, they have over 15 users doing up to 140 mh/s
sigh
over at dark.coinmine.pl, they have over 15 users doing up to 140 mh/ssigh
I thought that was rented mining time from a network..? I know that with 120 8-core linux instances I can do 30 mh/s so that would mean they have like 500 8-core cpu instances. or something crazy. Either that or GPU mining.
February 12, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
Well, some people must have a GPU miner and aren't sharing over at dark.coinmine.pl, they have over 15 users doing up to 140 mh/s
sigh
over at dark.coinmine.pl, they have over 15 users doing up to 140 mh/ssigh
February 12, 2014, 02:19:37 PM
Awesome InternetApe!
Yes, that's the right one Matt, you're all set!
Hammerhedd, I think it has something to do with the x-ll algorithm not being properly retrofitted, LOL. I'm no programmer, so I don't know how to expain
Yes, that's the right one Matt, you're all set!
Hammerhedd, I think it has something to do with the x-ll algorithm not being properly retrofitted, LOL. I'm no programmer, so I don't know how to expain
lol I think you are right, and I'm in the same boat!
This might force me to learn C++
February 12, 2014, 02:16:24 PM
Awesome InternetApe!
Yes, that's the right one Matt, you're all set!
Hammerhedd, I think it has something to do with the x-ll algorithm not being properly retrofitted, LOL. I'm no programmer, so I don't know how to expain
Yes, that's the right one Matt, you're all set!
Hammerhedd, I think it has something to do with the x-ll algorithm not being properly retrofitted, LOL. I'm no programmer, so I don't know how to expain
February 12, 2014, 01:38:55 PM
I'm trying to compile and run cpuminer in Ubuntu, and I >think< it's failing to run because I don' t have the X11 algorithm in the git pull. Everything else seems to work, but when I include "-a X11" in the command line, it tells me to type --help. If I leave the -a flag out, it connects fine via stratum, but of course all my hashes are rejected.
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Make sure you are using the miner from the web site. darkcoin.io. There is a link to the correct source there.
Sorry for the newbishness of this post -
I only see the source for the linux wallet there. Should I simply be using the wallet (-gen) to mine? I was actually trying to mine via a pool, so I was compiling the pooler cpuminer. Should I be doing something with the Qt source?
Sorry I must have missed that link on the website I will add it.
Its here: https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2
You really want to update it to https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2c as it's even faster and better. Please update the first page here as well
Its being updated on the home page and has been updated on the darkcoin.io website.
Any idea why it might compile and run correctly (seemingly) but not have any hashes accepted? I did get one slightly odd error "autogen.sh: command not found" but it seemed to run after that.
February 12, 2014, 01:36:29 PM
Hey guys,
I'm been mining Darkcoin since the start, love the coin, and my little collection of it lol.
I've read that some people have had problems updating their client / QT / wallet. I just wanted to ask a few questions to make sure I do things right!
I updated on the day that blockchain was updated, so I'm not sure if I'm on the old or the new client...
It says DarkCoin Version: v0.8.8.0-g6d45d9b-beta
Client name: Satoshi
{
"version" : 80800,
"protocolversion" : 70002,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"blocks" : 16266,
"timeoffset" : -1,
"connections" : 7,
"proxy" : "",
"difficulty" : 44.69112782,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1391193115,
"keypoolsize" : 100,
"paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
"mininput" : 0.00001000,
"unlocked_until" : 0,
"errors" : ""
}
Is this the new version / correct chain etc?
Thanks so much guys, and to the dev, and everyone in this community!
I'm been mining Darkcoin since the start, love the coin, and my little collection of it lol.
I've read that some people have had problems updating their client / QT / wallet. I just wanted to ask a few questions to make sure I do things right!
I updated on the day that blockchain was updated, so I'm not sure if I'm on the old or the new client...
It says DarkCoin Version: v0.8.8.0-g6d45d9b-beta
Client name: Satoshi
{
"version" : 80800,
"protocolversion" : 70002,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"blocks" : 16266,
"timeoffset" : -1,
"connections" : 7,
"proxy" : "",
"difficulty" : 44.69112782,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1391193115,
"keypoolsize" : 100,
"paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
"mininput" : 0.00001000,
"unlocked_until" : 0,
"errors" : ""
}
Is this the new version / correct chain etc?
Thanks so much guys, and to the dev, and everyone in this community!
February 12, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
And now, how about collecting a good hefty bounty for a working effective GPU miner? I'd put down up to 1000 DRK - not much but if many people donate it'll build up.
If more people are interested I could work on GPU miner for a bounty. I already have something more or less working (pools are accepting shares, also solo-mined one block this night with it), but it's still very slow (nearly 2 MH/s on Radeon R9 290). Unfortunately I can't promise it will get much faster, still working on possible optimizations.
FYI
I'll put up 1000DRK, but I want the code you have now, to prove that it is getting at least what you say.
I'll match his 1000DRK
I can definitely make a GPU miner (how fast it will be is another question, but based on the algorithms in hand, they all parallelize pretty well, so I expect it to be reasonably fast).
But a few people offering 1000DRK isn't enough incentive. It's not the money (if it was, I'd make one for myself), I just need some more detail. Have you already got someone working on a GPU miner, for instance? I don't want to put 10 hours into this only to find that you've had someone else do it.
I've been working on this one, I'm not sure it works. https://github.com/evan82/darkcoin-sgminer
My furher, how is the anonimity module coming along? We are gaining a bit of traction. The Russians are getting antsy on the Eastern front.
Me and Ape spent the last couple nights defeating various bugs with the implementation. We're making huge progress to a closed alpha, there's a couple more things I want to work out, then we should be able to release something (maybe this weekend if we're lucky?
) Ps, As for naming things, I think I'm going with DarkSend. It works well in all of the different ways it needs to "Darkcoin with DarkSend", "./darkcoind darksend Xaddr 10", "Just darksend the money", "The darksend is still pending", "To see the status of the DarkSend Pool, just type getpoolinfo", and all of the classes will sound cool (DarkSend, DarkSendPool, DarkSendInfo).
Great to hear it! You guys are awesome, and this coin has some great hope with devs and people you you guys!
I have a Windows computer with i7 / Nvidia GPU, and also a mining rig with three powerful AMD Radeons which are itching to mine Dark coin. If you need a alpha / beta tester I'm happy to be a help out!
And Dark send sounds good to me! Keep it simple, Dark everything lol
February 12, 2014, 01:10:14 PM
I'm trying to compile and run cpuminer in Ubuntu, and I >think< it's failing to run because I don' t have the X11 algorithm in the git pull. Everything else seems to work, but when I include "-a X11" in the command line, it tells me to type --help. If I leave the -a flag out, it connects fine via stratum, but of course all my hashes are rejected.
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Make sure you are using the miner from the web site. darkcoin.io. There is a link to the correct source there.
Sorry for the newbishness of this post -
I only see the source for the linux wallet there. Should I simply be using the wallet (-gen) to mine? I was actually trying to mine via a pool, so I was compiling the pooler cpuminer. Should I be doing something with the Qt source?
Sorry I must have missed that link on the website I will add it.
Its here: https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2
You really want to update it to https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2c as it's even faster and better. Please update the first page here as well
Its being updated on the home page and has been updated on the darkcoin.io website.
February 12, 2014, 01:06:35 PM
I'm trying to compile and run cpuminer in Ubuntu, and I >think< it's failing to run because I don' t have the X11 algorithm in the git pull. Everything else seems to work, but when I include "-a X11" in the command line, it tells me to type --help. If I leave the -a flag out, it connects fine via stratum, but of course all my hashes are rejected.
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Make sure you are using the miner from the web site. darkcoin.io. There is a link to the correct source there.
Sorry for the newbishness of this post -
I only see the source for the linux wallet there. Should I simply be using the wallet (-gen) to mine? I was actually trying to mine via a pool, so I was compiling the pooler cpuminer. Should I be doing something with the Qt source?
Sorry I must have missed that link on the website I will add it.
Its here: https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2
Thanks! You rock, and I love this coin, BTW.
I'm not a coder, but I'd like to help out in any way I can.
join Lotterypool or smalltimeminer (links on first page) so that we spread the hash around, much healthier for the coin and for all of us!
February 12, 2014, 01:04:50 PM
I'm trying to compile and run cpuminer in Ubuntu, and I >think< it's failing to run because I don' t have the X11 algorithm in the git pull. Everything else seems to work, but when I include "-a X11" in the command line, it tells me to type --help. If I leave the -a flag out, it connects fine via stratum, but of course all my hashes are rejected.
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Make sure you are using the miner from the web site. darkcoin.io. There is a link to the correct source there.
Sorry for the newbishness of this post -
I only see the source for the linux wallet there. Should I simply be using the wallet (-gen) to mine? I was actually trying to mine via a pool, so I was compiling the pooler cpuminer. Should I be doing something with the Qt source?
Sorry I must have missed that link on the website I will add it.
Its here: https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2
You really want to update it to https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2c as it's even faster and better. Please update the first page here as well
February 12, 2014, 01:02:33 PM
I'm trying to compile and run cpuminer in Ubuntu, and I >think< it's failing to run because I don' t have the X11 algorithm in the git pull. Everything else seems to work, but when I include "-a X11" in the command line, it tells me to type --help. If I leave the -a flag out, it connects fine via stratum, but of course all my hashes are rejected.
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Make sure you are using the miner from the web site. darkcoin.io. There is a link to the correct source there.
Sorry for the newbishness of this post -
I only see the source for the linux wallet there. Should I simply be using the wallet (-gen) to mine? I was actually trying to mine via a pool, so I was compiling the pooler cpuminer. Should I be doing something with the Qt source?
Sorry I must have missed that link on the website I will add it.
Its here: https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2
Thanks! You rock, and I love this coin, BTW.
I'm not a coder, but I'd like to help out in any way I can.
February 12, 2014, 01:00:24 PM
I'm trying to compile and run cpuminer in Ubuntu, and I >think< it's failing to run because I don' t have the X11 algorithm in the git pull. Everything else seems to work, but when I include "-a X11" in the command line, it tells me to type --help. If I leave the -a flag out, it connects fine via stratum, but of course all my hashes are rejected.
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Where can I get it? And what do I need to do to compile and run it in Ubuntu?
Make sure you are using the miner from the web site. darkcoin.io. There is a link to the correct source there.
Sorry for the newbishness of this post -
I only see the source for the linux wallet there. Should I simply be using the wallet (-gen) to mine? I was actually trying to mine via a pool, so I was compiling the pooler cpuminer. Should I be doing something with the Qt source?
Sorry I must have missed that link on the website I will add it.
Its here: https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2
February 12, 2014, 12:58:51 PM
Looks like you've prepped cgminer for the new X11 kernel, am I right? I'll send a PM to phm and see where he's at with it
My miner is based on this sgminer, I just tweaked it a little and added OpenCL X11 kernel that is currently missing in eduffield's code.
Ah, I didn't realize you based your code off mine. Can you push me the changes at least to get it working for the benefit of everyone?
At some point of time definitely, but not yet.
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