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I have a hard time loading the image too. Better if they would add some text explanation so that those user who have a problem in internet connection can easily read the description. The new to this project, I think is that it can be bought directly using fiat currency. But hoping it would also add an exchange from token to fiat.
If i have not misunderstood, as they said at the picture that we can buy Dragon Coin Token a both way altcoins: BTC, ETH, LTC, XRP and credit card?
Yes after the ICO the coin can be bought with fiat or the coins you listed ,but what he was asking is, if you could sell the dragon coin to fiat ,which i think only logical if the currency is listed in any good exchange platform. in their explanation they have made it clear how it's going to work
1- Purchase DRG from an Exchange
A Player purchases our DRG ERC20 Token from a Cryptocurrency Exchange.
2- Exchange DRG for DGC
The DRG ERC20 Tokens are then exchanged for DGC (Dragon Global Chips) at our partner Casinos & Junkets, to be used in the Casino.
3-Winnings
Winnings that are paid out to the Player can be converted back to DRG, another cryptocurrency or the Player has the option of receiving a pay-out in FIAT.

Isnt that way way way too much effort for gambling though? I'd rather just gamble with cash and cashout in cash. Then use the cash I won to buy whatever I want instead of going through that convoluted mess

That's' why this project is likely to fail.
Can you imagine a VIP in casino making some shady deals with crypto: exchanging, transferring and etc.?
Once offered he would likely never come back.

Actually your concern could be unfounded. While it is possible for a VIP gambler to be making some shady deals... This apply for any crypto currency especially for the anonymous currency like Monero.

In dragon's case, they will have AML/KYC in place for the members who want to be on the Dragon platform.. so shady deals would not be anonymous and would be deterred

I guess you've understood my "unfounded"(?) concerns wrong.
When you have a cash to gamble it's stupid to transfer it to crypto. It's a useless option for gamblers much less for VIP ones.
But, maybe, it could work for people who came into casino already having some DCs, but who will transfer it initially, that's a question for me.

Think you understood "VIP gamblers" wrongly... when VIP gamblers go to junket to gamble, they "do not" have cash nor do they bring cash.
These VIP gamblers just rely on a line of credit from Junket operators which provide gambling chips to them from the casino. These junket operators have to rely on their own capital or credit from finance agents who charge the junket operators a percentage of the credit.. typically 5%.

Hence the main buyers and users of the DRG will be junket operators. Especially when they have collected the "losses" from the VIP gamblers from their home countries after the gambling trips, these money can be converted to crypto and then transfer back to the junket operators who could be in Macau or anywhere in the world. It could also just be maintained as DRG so that it can be "rolled" into capital for the next gambling trips for the next group of VIP gamblers.

junket operations is not as simple as bringing cash to the casino and gamble.. the complexities are the financing systems, the debt collections and the remittance of large sums (winnings and losses) across borders.

Hope you do understand now.

I've undestood it from the very begining, but seems you didn't.
Here's an extract from the WP:

"Whenever necessary, the gamer could eortlessly convert
his Dragon Coins (DRG) to fixed-value digital Dragon Global
Chips (DGC) for use in the junket. After gaming, DGC could
be converted back into DRG and further converted to at
money or any other digital currency when needed
, all on
demand and via the touch screen on a smartphone. If
gamers choose to keep stake monies and winnings in digital
form ready for the next visit to the gaming tables, they could
do so, securely and at minimal cost."

One more
"Through connectivity with our digital value platform,
namely the Dragon Platform, elite gamers wishing to visit a
junket could easily convert at money into digital tokens
,
that would be securely registered on a blockchain underpinning
the platform. A numerical representation of the tokens
held at any one time would be shown in the gamer’s smart
phone wallet."

My point eventually was not about either bringing cash or using credit line or whatsoever, my point is: no one needs this mumbo jumbo with transfering cash into some tokens or vice versa. VIP gamblers will very likely avoid such offers.

That is only for the gamers who are interested to hold DRG to take advantage of the rising prices. Do you really think today VIP gamers bring millions into the junket? Tongue

Elite gamers do not bother to bring cash like normal gamblers.. if they have to do so, it will be too much of a bother for them. Junket operators currently provide the credit line for elite gamers for gambling in the junket.

But in the future, when DRG is available.. it is possible for elite gamblers to also possess DRG (either bought or from previous winnings)..

Anyway, since you are reading the WP.. do see the same page (a few paras before the one you read), you will read "A junket often needs to arrange stake money of several million dollars to be on hand when each elite gamer arrives in Macau. The current cost to a junket in making the necessary financial arrangements is a minimum of 5%. As for the players, they are typically forced to suffer fees of between 5%-7% for costs related to repatriation of their winnings."

So you can understand what I mean..

DRG is to solve the cost of providing credit and also money transfer (winnings and losses etc) for junkets and VIP gamblers.
You may not believe in the potential of such a system and a token to facilitate the junket industry, but to many, this is revolutionary and
4 junket operators have already committed $265 millions to it... that speaks louder than words.

Seriously I am not here to argue with anyone.. I just want to help clarify the questions that anyone has.

Uh... I'm not a goosey, I can read very well.
To enhance our dialogue with more substantiality, could you please answer the following:
1) How those VIPs claim their winnings?
2) Who bear the fee costs of claiming winnings, VIPs or Junkets (those 5-7% you've mentioned)?
3) How does a process of acquiring winnings for VIPs usually look like? Literaly, how do they get the ownership of money?
All these questions are related to NOW, not to how it is going to be


4 junket operators have already committed $265 millions to it... that speaks louder than words.


Can you provide proofs?


1) When you win at the table, they can change their chips for their winnings
2) cost of sending your winnings back to yourself will be borne by the gamblers themselves
3) I am not a VIP gambler unfortunately .... but you can join the Dragon telegram group and you can ask the CEO directly. he is online daily
4) for the junket operators who have committed their 256 millions... it is written in the WP; like how you have read.

Do join their telegram group to ask the detailed questions to the CEO and moderator directly https://t.me/DragonOfficialENG

I am not against direct questions. I myself have asked the CEO many specific questions and he has answered me clearly too.
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This project reminds me of projects from the real sector of the economy. Unfortunately, I do not see here the use of blockade technology except the dragon itself. But such projects are also successful. Probably it will be interesting for Chinese people who are very gamblers.

yeah agree with you. Even ı am not a gambling expert I dont really understand if blockchain technology give this project more value... except DRG ...
We can now see a huge number of peoples getting involved in gambling and i think, DIGITAL CURRENCY FOR CASINO & PLAYERS will have huge profits due to this in future. I am not a regular gambler but yes sometimes even i do go for gambling which sometimes gives me some good profit. But i do not suggest anyone to go for gambling.
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This project reminds me of projects from the real sector of the economy. Unfortunately, I do not see here the use of blockade technology except the dragon itself. But such projects are also successful. Probably it will be interesting for Chinese people who are very gamblers.

yeah agree with you. Even ı am not a gambling expert I dont really understand if blockchain technology give this project more value... except DRG ...
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That thought, and on which exchanges or exchangers, you can for example will exchange these coins? I did not see that it was mentioned somewhere. It would be interesting to find out. Or you have not planned to enter the stock exchanges yet?
This time Dragon coin still not listing on any exchange, we could buy DRG and hold them, waiting for ending of ICO then exchange to Dragon Global Chips then make play casino with them.

That's it, thanks for the answer. So I'll buy and wait for the end of ISO, And then I'll play in a new casino. Very much I wait when it starts.
I love a gambling from 2013 year, i started bitcoin dice, and massive part of them was scam. So, i hope dragon coin can stop this manipulating and cheating from site owners.
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That thought, and on which exchanges or exchangers, you can for example will exchange these coins? I did not see that it was mentioned somewhere. It would be interesting to find out. Or you have not planned to enter the stock exchanges yet?
This time Dragon coin still not listing on any exchange, we could buy DRG and hold them, waiting for ending of ICO then exchange to Dragon Global Chips then make play casino with them.

That's it, thanks for the answer. So I'll buy and wait for the end of ISO, And then I'll play in a new casino. Very much I wait when it starts.
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Dragon Coin concept will be benificial for those gamers and gamblers on casino. My question only is if these will be used on those casinos, do you have a partnership or do you talk already to any casino's representative regarding your project and its purpose?
So this project really have so much challenges to take just because it needs a lot of effort convincing gamblers to adopt in this kind of game. Just like you mentioned it also needs some partnership who will collaborate and explain this project.
I agree with you on that but if the developer here can provide some answers that will satisfy or support this project these will be great and be the first step to accomplish their platform. Regarding on the users, I think gamblers will choose more on decentralized and more convenient way like what Dragoin Coin aim to be.
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This project reminds me of projects from the real sector of the economy. Unfortunately, I do not see here the use of blockade technology except the dragon itself. But such projects are also successful. Probably it will be interesting for Chinese people who are very gamblers.
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In my opinion this is very convenient for fans of casinos. This project will bring something new and special to the world of gambling. For many, it will become like a pleasant bonus in your favorite pastime. I will follow the news and updates of this project.
This is not only a bonus for amateur gambling. I think the dragon coin can be a good investment and an opportunity for speculation.
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Interesting, another one of the best mineable coin,this looks promising special given that this is in this particular platform.
I think this is a great opportunity for everyone,including the traders and the team involved in this project.
And it's chance to gain more clients.all the best everyone.
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In my opinion this is very convenient for fans of casinos. This project will bring something new and special to the world of gambling. For many, it will become like a pleasant bonus in your favorite pastime. I will follow the news and updates of this project.
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Dragon Coin Equals,"easy life for elite gamers. This project will make work easier for everyone involved in the gaming process from start to finish. The casinos will have tremendous boom, if this problem and solution stated is achieved. Let's wait and see giw this goes
Easy life sounds great for gamblers who don't want to be hassle. This could also lessen the burden of the gamblers because it's all in electronic transaction. This project seems only gamblers can benefit its services and I am hoping at least they can offer also for non gamblers.

Yes, I am also hoping that this project will add a feature that not only gamblers will benefited also all those people who is interested to participate in the project. Looking forward for more developments of this project.
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I would like to support this coin through bounty campaign if there is any. I don't mind if I'll get paid in Dragon Coin because I think there's a great potential for this coin to be in demand if the team behind this project will succeed in integrating this coin to casino Junkets and Public use.

Great, same as you did bro I want to support this project that I believed has a bright future on their different advocacy. Having a great opportunity to use Dragon as a safe way to enter the modern world of digital currencies and have a wallet on their smart phone linked to a widely accepted Dragon debit card. Awesome! Project that for sure many gamblerd take advantage on this as well as investors in the bitcoin community.
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I would like to support this coin through bounty campaign if there is any. I don't mind if I'll get paid in Dragon Coin because I think there's a great potential for this coin to be in demand if the team behind this project will succeed in integrating this coin to casino Junkets and Public use.
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I am so surprised to see that the dragon coin project is doing so great in such less period of given time more and more people and potential customers are joining this project as it is well managed by the dedicated management team.
To be expected . Good,promising projects always sell and advertise them selves and always find the attention ,investors,supporters it needs . By time for sure we will see more hype about the coin since the gamblers are the biggest ballers when it comes to money.
For me is just a great idea to practice digital currency in the casino arena. I hope they make a chip like coin that represent the token. The project aims really great at gamblers and with its card, its really going to have money flowing if its accepted

Exactly, having this project more gamblers will joined which much advantage to them since they already know the rules in casino games. Also, the members of the Dragon Community will no doubt each view their membership and participation as being beneficial to them in ways that are very personal. Hoping a great success on this project.
Maybe Dragon Tokens Project is new world for crypto currency gambler. I believe this project will gather at least 1-2k person to join daily if we promote DRG on some gambling community: Bitcointalk Gambling, casino bonus page,...
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Casino and bitcoin high rollers will absolutely invest on this coin. This should be a contender in trading websites in the future. I cant wait to get and store this coin.
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That thought, and on which exchanges or exchangers, you can for example will exchange these coins? I did not see that it was mentioned somewhere. It would be interesting to find out. Or you have not planned to enter the stock exchanges yet?
This time Dragon coin still not listing on any exchange, we could buy DRG and hold them, waiting for ending of ICO then exchange to Dragon Global Chips then make play casino with them.
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I'm waiting for the day it will be used on the main websites I use to enjoy myself with some hardcore gambling, that's so fun to see.

That's good news for but don't be addicted to gambling, It can make your earnings in your pocket disappear just play safe and don't invest.

It depend if you have a great luck in gambling that you will gain more profit. But if not, it is better to hold your coin and wait until its value goes up as the more people and gamblers who invest in this coin or use this coin the bigger the value it will get.

Becuase in my past experience in some big gambling site. I was so greedy to win, I didn't  even know that I keep loosing because of I invest and invest again after I lose. So I learn that. It is bad to be greedy in gambling. But if this coin will succeed I will try to invest little from my pocket.

Yes, I feel you. Because we always aim to win we didn't notice that we already invested a lot of money in gambling. We always think that if we win we can easily get our lost funds. Anyway i'll be following this project and hoping to see more improvements.
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Dragon Coin Equals,"easy life for elite gamers. This project will make work easier for everyone involved in the gaming process from start to finish. The casinos will have tremendous boom, if this problem and solution stated is achieved. Let's wait and see giw this goes
Easy life sounds great for gamblers who don't want to be hassle. This could also lessen the burden of the gamblers because it's all in electronic transaction. This project seems only gamblers can benefit its services and I am hoping at least they can offer also for non gamblers.
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I am so surprised to see that the dragon coin project is doing so great in such less period of given time more and more people and potential customers are joining this project as it is well managed by the dedicated management team.
To be expected . Good,promising projects always sell and advertise them selves and always find the attention ,investors,supporters it needs . By time for sure we will see more hype about the coin since the gamblers are the biggest ballers when it comes to money.
For me is just a great idea to practice digital currency in the casino arena. I hope they make a chip like coin that represent the token. The project aims really great at gamblers and with its card, its really going to have money flowing if its accepted

Exactly, having this project more gamblers will joined which much advantage to them since they already know the rules in casino games. Also, the members of the Dragon Community will no doubt each view their membership and participation as being beneficial to them in ways that are very personal. Hoping a great success on this project.
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I have a hard time loading the image too. Better if they would add some text explanation so that those user who have a problem in internet connection can easily read the description. The new to this project, I think is that it can be bought directly using fiat currency. But hoping it would also add an exchange from token to fiat.
If i have not misunderstood, as they said at the picture that we can buy Dragon Coin Token a both way altcoins: BTC, ETH, LTC, XRP and credit card?
Yes after the ICO the coin can be bought with fiat or the coins you listed ,but what he was asking is, if you could sell the dragon coin to fiat ,which i think only logical if the currency is listed in any good exchange platform. in their explanation they have made it clear how it's going to work
1- Purchase DRG from an Exchange
A Player purchases our DRG ERC20 Token from a Cryptocurrency Exchange.
2- Exchange DRG for DGC
The DRG ERC20 Tokens are then exchanged for DGC (Dragon Global Chips) at our partner Casinos & Junkets, to be used in the Casino.
3-Winnings
Winnings that are paid out to the Player can be converted back to DRG, another cryptocurrency or the Player has the option of receiving a pay-out in FIAT.

Isnt that way way way too much effort for gambling though? I'd rather just gamble with cash and cashout in cash. Then use the cash I won to buy whatever I want instead of going through that convoluted mess

That's' why this project is likely to fail.
Can you imagine a VIP in casino making some shady deals with crypto: exchanging, transferring and etc.?
Once offered he would likely never come back.

Actually your concern could be unfounded. While it is possible for a VIP gambler to be making some shady deals... This apply for any crypto currency especially for the anonymous currency like Monero.

In dragon's case, they will have AML/KYC in place for the members who want to be on the Dragon platform.. so shady deals would not be anonymous and would be deterred

I guess you've understood my "unfounded"(?) concerns wrong.
When you have a cash to gamble it's stupid to transfer it to crypto. It's a useless option for gamblers much less for VIP ones.
But, maybe, it could work for people who came into casino already having some DCs, but who will transfer it initially, that's a question for me.

Think you understood "VIP gamblers" wrongly... when VIP gamblers go to junket to gamble, they "do not" have cash nor do they bring cash.
These VIP gamblers just rely on a line of credit from Junket operators which provide gambling chips to them from the casino. These junket operators have to rely on their own capital or credit from finance agents who charge the junket operators a percentage of the credit.. typically 5%.

Hence the main buyers and users of the DRG will be junket operators. Especially when they have collected the "losses" from the VIP gamblers from their home countries after the gambling trips, these money can be converted to crypto and then transfer back to the junket operators who could be in Macau or anywhere in the world. It could also just be maintained as DRG so that it can be "rolled" into capital for the next gambling trips for the next group of VIP gamblers.

junket operations is not as simple as bringing cash to the casino and gamble.. the complexities are the financing systems, the debt collections and the remittance of large sums (winnings and losses) across borders.

Hope you do understand now.

I've undestood it from the very begining, but seems you didn't.
Here's an extract from the WP:

"Whenever necessary, the gamer could eortlessly convert
his Dragon Coins (DRG) to fixed-value digital Dragon Global
Chips (DGC) for use in the junket. After gaming, DGC could
be converted back into DRG and further converted to at
money or any other digital currency when needed
, all on
demand and via the touch screen on a smartphone. If
gamers choose to keep stake monies and winnings in digital
form ready for the next visit to the gaming tables, they could
do so, securely and at minimal cost."

One more
"Through connectivity with our digital value platform,
namely the Dragon Platform, elite gamers wishing to visit a
junket could easily convert at money into digital tokens
,
that would be securely registered on a blockchain underpinning
the platform. A numerical representation of the tokens
held at any one time would be shown in the gamer’s smart
phone wallet."

My point eventually was not about either bringing cash or using credit line or whatsoever, my point is: no one needs this mumbo jumbo with transfering cash into some tokens or vice versa. VIP gamblers will very likely avoid such offers.

That is only for the gamers who are interested to hold DRG to take advantage of the rising prices. Do you really think today VIP gamers bring millions into the junket? Tongue

Elite gamers do not bother to bring cash like normal gamblers.. if they have to do so, it will be too much of a bother for them. Junket operators currently provide the credit line for elite gamers for gambling in the junket.

But in the future, when DRG is available.. it is possible for elite gamblers to also possess DRG (either bought or from previous winnings)..

Anyway, since you are reading the WP.. do see the same page (a few paras before the one you read), you will read "A junket often needs to arrange stake money of several million dollars to be on hand when each elite gamer arrives in Macau. The current cost to a junket in making the necessary financial arrangements is a minimum of 5%. As for the players, they are typically forced to suffer fees of between 5%-7% for costs related to repatriation of their winnings."

So you can understand what I mean..

DRG is to solve the cost of providing credit and also money transfer (winnings and losses etc) for junkets and VIP gamblers.
You may not believe in the potential of such a system and a token to facilitate the junket industry, but to many, this is revolutionary and
4 junket operators have already committed $265 millions to it... that speaks louder than words.

Seriously I am not here to argue with anyone.. I just want to help clarify the questions that anyone has.

Uh... I'm not a goosey, I can read very well.
To enhance our dialogue with more substantiality, could you please answer the following:
1) How those VIPs claim their winnings?
2) Who bear the fee costs of claiming winnings, VIPs or Junkets (those 5-7% you've mentioned)?
3) How does a process of acquiring winnings for VIPs usually look like? Literaly, how do they get the ownership of money?
All these questions are related to NOW, not to how it is going to be


4 junket operators have already committed $265 millions to it... that speaks louder than words.


Can you provide proofs?
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